Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Entertainment Discussions > TV Talk
Reload this Page >

Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Community
Search
TV Talk Talk about Shows on TV

Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-28-12 | 03:14 PM
  #101  
DJariya's Avatar
Thread Starter
DVD Talk God
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 87,129
Received 6,013 Likes on 4,065 Posts
From: La Palma, CA
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by onebyone
I watch way more tv than I should, but there were some in there that missed me entirely.

So, if I was going to give either Strike Back or Homeland a shot, which would you suggest?
Strike Back is a really fun action serial. It's like a mix of Call of Duty and 24. It's not going to win any awards, but it's fun escapism entertainment.

Homeland was one of the most critically acclaimed new shows last season. I love Strike Back, but for a compelling, well-acted and directed serial drama, I recommend Homeland.
Old 08-28-12 | 03:18 PM
  #102  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,861
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Pretty big spoiler for Game of Thrones first season underneath
Originally Posted by Brian Shannon
Spoiler:
Game of Thrones (HBO) Lost interest when Sean Bean was killed
Pretty big spoiler for anyone that hasn't seen the first season of Game of Thrones yet, you should add a spoiler to your post. That is one of the best parts of the series, it isn't about any one character, anybody could die at any moment.

Originally Posted by DeputyDave
Everything you mentioned (in spoilers, thank you) happens or is revealed in later books, not in the first two seasons. There is no telling that the show will follow that. You obviously looked it up online somewhere. Earlier you mentioned you had only watched clips. I still contend that none of the acts you mentioned was truly evil (not in the context of the books and world), nor takes away from the good he has done.

I hate to argue but I can't stand someone making uninformed statements. I watch and read a lot of fantasy and GoT is unlike anything on screen, and rare even in books. It is a gripping character driven political thriller, regardless of world it is set in.
Agreed for someone who doesn't like the show, SpottedFeather sure has an extensive knowledge of the books because much of what he mentions hasn't even happened yet in the tv series. I thought it was rather odd too, all the things he mentioned that could only have been gathered by internet searches to justify a point about a show he doesn't watch.

Also none of the things Tyrion did make him an all out evil character, he is faced with tough choices to try and save the lives of those he cares about. He also has vices for drinking and women, which is a trait attributed to many heroes in many films and books. If I had to classify him, he is one of the "good guys" if you like to put things in buckets, he just happens to be a Lannister.
Old 08-28-12 | 03:26 PM
  #103  
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,863
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: The lonely depths of my mind
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by msdmoney
Pretty big spoiler for Game of Thrones first season underneath


Pretty big spoiler for anyone that hasn't seen the first season of Game of Thrones yet, you should add a spoiler to your post. That is one of the best parts of the series, it isn't about any one character, anybody could die at any moment.



Agreed for someone who doesn't like the show, SpottedFeather sure has an extensive knowledge of the books because much of what he mentions hasn't even happened yet in the tv series. I thought it was rather odd too, all the things he mentioned that could only have been gathered by internet searches to justify a point about a show he doesn't watch.

Also none of the things Tyrion did make him an all out evil character, he is faced with tough choices to try and save the lives of those he cares about. He also has vices for drinking and women, which is a trait attributed to many heroes in many films and books. If I had to classify him, he is one of the "good guys" if you like to put things in buckets, he just happens to be a Lannister.
Rape doesn't make you evil ? Yes,...it does. Getting drunk doesn't make you evil ? Yes....it does. He isn't one of the good guys. Unless you think that killing people is perfectly fine...

What do the books have to do with not liking the tv show ? If a character is a worthless loser in the books, why would they change it for the tv show ?
Old 08-28-12 | 03:27 PM
  #104  
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,863
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: The lonely depths of my mind
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by jjcool
You don't. By your own admission you don't.
What are you talking about ? What good tv don't I keep up with ? Just because YOU like it doesn't make it good.
Old 08-28-12 | 03:29 PM
  #105  
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,863
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: The lonely depths of my mind
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by DeputyDave
Everything you mentioned (in spoilers, thank you) happens or is revealed in later books, not in the first two seasons. There is no telling that the show will follow that. You obviously looked it up online somewhere. Earlier you mentioned you had only watched clips. I still contend that none of the acts you mentioned was truly evil (not in the context of the books and world), nor takes away from the good he has done.

I hate to argue but I can't stand someone making uninformed statements. I watch and read a lot of fantasy and GoT is unlike anything on screen, and rare even in books. It is a gripping character driven political thriller, regardless of world it is set in.

As far as The Walking Dead, there are a lot of faults with it but you listed only that it violated "the zombie rules" and mentioned a few. As far as I can tell the only thing the Walking Dead does perfectly is stick to the Romero rules of Zombies. Which rules are you referring to?
Walking Dead DOESN'T stick to the Romero rules. For one, you turn in to a zombie by getting bit or scratched. Walking Dead completely tossed that rule in the trash.
Old 08-28-12 | 03:34 PM
  #106  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,861
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
I HAVE seen the show. You can't have a show or movie without good guys and bad guys. Of course, everyone has shades of grey. It wouldn't be interesting if they didn't.
This is just plain untrue, you don't have to have defined good and bad guys, this is just a very common way of handling conflict.
Old 08-28-12 | 03:42 PM
  #107  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,861
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
Rape doesn't make you evil ? Yes,...it does. Getting drunk doesn't make you evil ? Yes....it does. He isn't one of the good guys. Unless you think that killing people is perfectly fine...

What do the books have to do with not liking the tv show ? If a character is a worthless loser in the books, why would they change it for the tv show ?
But you said Ned Stark was a good guy and he has killed people, he also gets drunk. How could he be a good guy?

Also you just completely gloss over the context of the rape.

So you have read all of the books for a series you don't like? The confusion is that you are mentioning that you don't like the series, but somehow have an extensive knowledge that could only come from reading at least three thousand page books, beyond what has happened in the tv series up to this point.
Old 08-28-12 | 03:50 PM
  #108  
jjcool's Avatar
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 7,957
Received 190 Likes on 150 Posts
From: CT
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by DJariya
Same with The CW. I think most on this board write off that channel because they think it only produces cheesey teen young adult shows like 90210 and Gossip Girl, which is obviously targetted for young women and teen girls.

I think they are branching out more towards male viewers especially with Nikita (which hardly anyone on this board watches for whatever reason), Supernatural, and now Arrow coming out this Fall. And for the record, I think The Vampire Diaries is probably one of their best shows and IMO appeals to both men and women.
In my 30s as well. I watch 90210, Supernatural, Nikita, and will be watching Arrow this fall.
Old 08-28-12 | 03:55 PM
  #109  
jjcool's Avatar
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 7,957
Received 190 Likes on 150 Posts
From: CT
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
What are you talking about ? What good tv don't I keep up with ? Just because YOU like it doesn't make it good.
And just because you don't like it doesnt make it bad.
Old 08-28-12 | 04:04 PM
  #110  
DeputyDave's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 14,080
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: San Diego, CA
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
Rape doesn't make you evil ? Yes,...it does. Getting drunk doesn't make you evil ? Yes....it does. He isn't one of the good guys. Unless you think that killing people is perfectly fine...

What do the books have to do with not liking the tv show ? If a character is a worthless loser in the books, why would they change it for the tv show ?
I will spoiler this because it comes from a later book (NOT the series as yet):
Spoiler:
He only finds out his wife was raped many years later (in the 3rd book). He was a young teen at the time and told by his father that she was a prostitute his brother hired to take his virginity who had tricked him into marriage. His father then had his guards "pay" her to have sex with her. After the guards were finished his father forced him to pay her and have sex as well. This explains why he only goes with prostitutes from then on, he was untrusting and traumatized. He finds out in the third book she was what he thought all along and his father had lied. She was an innocent girl who loved him (and whom he loved back) who was then gang raped by the guards (even though they paid her). Although him being forced to go last does qualify as rape, at the time he thought she was a willing prostitute who had been involved in scamming him.


As far as drinking and killing people, do you consider James Bond a bad guy?
Old 08-28-12 | 04:12 PM
  #111  
DeputyDave's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 14,080
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: San Diego, CA
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
Walking Dead DOESN'T stick to the Romero rules. For one, you turn in to a zombie by getting bit or scratched. Walking Dead completely tossed that rule in the trash.
Are you sure you watched the show? There were several characters in the first season alone who turn after being bitten.
Old 08-28-12 | 04:31 PM
  #112  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 47,770
Received 2,292 Likes on 1,422 Posts
From: Rosemount, MN
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
What are you talking about ? What good tv don't I keep up with ? Just because YOU like it doesn't make it good.
Here's your list:

Batman The Animated Series - not currently on the air
Superman The Animated Series - not currently on the air
Merlin - not currently on the air
Doctor Who - on the air! That's one!
Lord Of The Rings - a movie
A Team - not currently on the air
classic Disney animation - a movie
Animaniacs - not currently on the air
Back To The Future - a movie
Black Books - don't know this one
Blazing Saddles - a movie
Blue Collar Comedy - not current (also not funny)
John Hughes movies - a movie
Carrie - a movie (where by your definition, every single person is a bad guy)
Child's Play - a movie
Corner Gas - don't know this one
and the first 2 Terminator movies, just to name a few things I like. - a movie
Plus you've mentioned NCIS. So, what "good TV" are you keeping up with besides Dr. Who? and NCIS?

Also, I've never watched NCIS but I too can use Wikipedia - Mark Harmon's character has been divorced 3 times. And he also drinks coffee, so he's obviously a drug user.
Old 08-28-12 | 04:46 PM
  #113  
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,863
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: The lonely depths of my mind
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by msdmoney
But you said Ned Stark was a good guy and he has killed people, he also gets drunk. How could he be a good guy?

Also you just completely gloss over the context of the rape.

So you have read all of the books for a series you don't like? The confusion is that you are mentioning that you don't like the series, but somehow have an extensive knowledge that could only come from reading at least three thousand page books, beyond what has happened in the tv series up to this point.
Again, what does the books have to with the tv show ? I hate the show. The books are fine. Also, I didn't overlook any context of the rape. Rape is rape, no matter how it happens.
Old 08-28-12 | 04:46 PM
  #114  
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,863
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: The lonely depths of my mind
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Draven
Here's your list:



Plus you've mentioned NCIS. So, what "good TV" are you keeping up with besides Dr. Who? and NCIS?

Also, I've never watched NCIS but I too can use Wikipedia - Mark Harmon's character has been divorced 3 times. And he also drinks coffee, so he's obviously a drug user.
Coffee isn't a drug. It's a bean...which grows. Drugs are what people make. They don't just grow.

What good tv do I keep up with ? That's a hard one because there really isn't any good tv still on the air....

Criminal Minds
NCIS
Law And Order SVU
Forensic Files
Dateline On Discovery
Psych
Family Guy
Merlin
Doctor Who
Futurama

Most of the other shows I'd be interested in are on channels I don't get.

Last edited by Spottedfeather; 08-28-12 at 04:59 PM.
Old 08-28-12 | 04:48 PM
  #115  
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,863
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: The lonely depths of my mind
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by DeputyDave
Are you sure you watched the show? There were several characters in the first season alone who turn after being bitten.
I'm guessing you don't watch the show at all. All the people have the zombie virus. You don't turn into one when you're bit or scratched...which is what happens in just about every other zombie movie ever made.
Old 08-28-12 | 05:06 PM
  #116  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 51,001
Received 2,948 Likes on 2,250 Posts
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
Again, what does the books have to with the tv show ? I hate the show. The books are fine. Also, I didn't overlook any context of the rape. Rape is rape, no matter how it happens.
It's because in that spoiler you posted above (which I read, much to my chagrin) you reference things that happen in the books that haven't happened yet in the series (to my knowledge). So which is it, did you read the GoT books (which I doubt because of what you compare the series to) or did you do an internet search to justify your point without getting any context?
Old 08-28-12 | 05:06 PM
  #117  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 20,079
Received 822 Likes on 575 Posts
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
Coffee isn't a drug. It's a bean...which grows. Drugs are what people make. They don't just grow.
Coffee has caffeine, which is a naturally occurring drug, just like a lot of other drugs like cannibis, heroin, aspirin, nicotine, etc.
Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
I'm guessing you don't watch the show at all. All the people have the zombie virus. You don't turn into one when you're bit or scratched...which is what happens in just about every other zombie movie ever made.
You definitely do turn into a zombie if bitten or scratched on that show, and for the first two seasons that was the only way known to turn into a zombie. As DeputyDave pointed out, several characters on the show had been turned that way.

The very last episode of season 2 did reveal that the virus went airborne, causing people that die of other causes to also resurrect as zombies. However, given your posts on Game of Thrones, I highly doubt you watched the show for two seasons and instead are relying on information taken from the internet. Anyone who had watched the show from day one would've recognized that it was clearly based off of Romero's zombies.

As for other zombie movies, several have strayed from the Romero model. The Return of the Living introduced the concept of zombies specifically targeting brains, which is not something Romero zombies have ever done, but has entered the lore. Later Romero films have upped the intelligence of some of the zombies. The 28 Days Later series went a completely different route and have "rage infected" living humans instead of resurrected dead.

It's like vampire films. There's a few common assumptions or "rules" about vampires, but each work on vampires establishes their own take. For example, there's the "rule" about vampires not being able to come out in daylight, or they'll burn. This is a very common rule, yet the seminal vampire novel, Dracula, directly contradicts the rule.
Old 08-28-12 | 05:10 PM
  #118  
EdTheRipper's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 15,732
Received 65 Likes on 47 Posts
From: Rhode Island
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
Coffee isn't a drug. It's a bean...which grows. Drugs are what people make. They don't just grow.

Old 08-28-12 | 05:21 PM
  #119  
DeputyDave's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 14,080
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: San Diego, CA
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
I'm guessing you don't watch the show at all. All the people have the zombie virus. You don't turn into one when you're bit or scratched...which is what happens in just about every other zombie movie ever made.
Yes I have seen it, have you ever seen a Romero zombie movie? Every person who dies (regardless of how) becomes a zombie only it doesn't say why (wrath of god, the earth passing through a comets tail, virus, etc.). Do you remember zombies rising from the graves in Night of the Living Dead? Do you think they were bitten in their graves? Just like Romero movies, being bitten causes death in a few hours and then you rise. The bite causes infection and death NOT zombification. Just being dead causes you to become a zombie. It wasn't until recent movies that they started the bite means infection and that's the only way you can turn BS.
Old 08-28-12 | 05:32 PM
  #120  
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,863
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: The lonely depths of my mind
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by fujishig
It's because in that spoiler you posted above (which I read, much to my chagrin) you reference things that happen in the books that haven't happened yet in the series (to my knowledge). So which is it, did you read the GoT books (which I doubt because of what you compare the series to) or did you do an internet search to justify your point without getting any context?
So what that I'm talking about things that have happened in the books ? The books are fine, but the show just isn't as good.
Old 08-28-12 | 05:33 PM
  #121  
DeputyDave's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 14,080
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: San Diego, CA
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
Again, what does the books have to with the tv show ? I hate the show. The books are fine. Also, I didn't overlook any context of the rape. Rape is rape, no matter how it happens.
Because every reason you give for hating the characters comes from the books, not the show.
Old 08-28-12 | 05:39 PM
  #122  
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,863
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: The lonely depths of my mind
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Jay G.
Coffee has caffeine, which is a naturally occurring drug, just like a lot of other drugs like cannibis, heroin, aspirin, nicotine, etc.

You definitely do turn into a zombie if bitten or scratched on that show, and for the first two seasons that was the only way known to turn into a zombie. As DeputyDave pointed out, several characters on the show had been turned that way.

The very last episode of season 2 did reveal that the virus went airborne, causing people that die of other causes to also resurrect as zombies. However, given your posts on Game of Thrones, I highly doubt you watched the show for two seasons and instead are relying on information taken from the internet. Anyone who had watched the show from day one would've recognized that it was clearly based off of Romero's zombies.

As for other zombie movies, several have strayed from the Romero model. The Return of the Living introduced the concept of zombies specifically targeting brains, which is not something Romero zombies have ever done, but has entered the lore. Later Romero films have upped the intelligence of some of the zombies. The 28 Days Later series went a completely different route and have "rage infected" living humans instead of resurrected dead.

It's like vampire films. There's a few common assumptions or "rules" about vampires, but each work on vampires establishes their own take. For example, there's the "rule" about vampires not being able to come out in daylight, or they'll burn. This is a very common rule, yet the seminal vampire novel, Dracula, directly contradicts the rule.
You can have naturally occurring substances, but you TURN them into drugs.

On Walking Dead, they THOUGHT you turned into a zombie by getting scratched or bitten....they were proven wrong.

That's why I didn't like 28 Days Later. They weren't really zombies, just strangely infected people.

For vampire filmes...how does each movie establish their own take ? The majority of them follow the same rules; can't go in sunlight. Stake through the heart/chop their head off. In Dracula, he was weakened. So what that he doesn't burn.

And the Game Of Thrones....why do you people keep bringing up that I don't watch the show ? I like the books just fine. It's the show that I can't stand. Maybe if they followed them more closely.
Old 08-28-12 | 05:39 PM
  #123  
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,863
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: The lonely depths of my mind
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by DeputyDave
Because every reason you give for hating the characters comes from the books, not the show.
So, the books have nothing to do with the show ?
Old 08-28-12 | 05:42 PM
  #124  
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,863
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: The lonely depths of my mind
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by DeputyDave
Yes I have seen it, have you ever seen a Romero zombie movie? Every person who dies (regardless of how) becomes a zombie only it doesn't say why (wrath of god, the earth passing through a comets tail, virus, etc.). Do you remember zombies rising from the graves in Night of the Living Dead? Do you think they were bitten in their graves? Just like Romero movies, being bitten causes death in a few hours and then you rise. The bite causes infection and death NOT zombification. Just being dead causes you to become a zombie. It wasn't until recent movies that they started the bite means infection and that's the only way you can turn BS.
I've seen all the Romero movies. They usually DO say why. Get bitten or scratched. Inhale powdered zombies. Saying "Do you think they were bitten in their graves?" is like saying "do you think Vampires are bitten in their graves ?"
Old 08-28-12 | 05:44 PM
  #125  
DeputyDave's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 14,080
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: San Diego, CA
Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
So, the books have nothing to do with the show ?
I dunno, you were the one who asked the question:

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
Again, what does the books have to with the tv show?
If you are fan of the books (which I doubt you have read) how can you compare the "boring, unoriginal plot" of the series to Beastmaster or LotR? The series follows the books very closely, only making a few changes. It makes no sense.


Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.