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Old 08-27-12 | 01:18 AM
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Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by msdmoney
[B]c)The reason Game of Thrones is so good is because it is unlike any other fantasy in anything other than setting. If you think this is another lone hero off to save the world like all other fantasy including Lord of the Rings, you didn't watch or didn't pay attention. There is no evil lord, light vs dark, good guys/bad guys dichotomy.


I don't understand this. Bryan Cranston was nominated for best lead Actor and Anna Gunn for lead actress, and Giancarlo Esposito and Aaron Paul were nominated for best supporting Actors last season. There is some amazing acting on this show. Do you mean just no well know celebrities are on the show?
There's no good vs bad in Game Of Thrones ? What show are you watching ?
And just because someone is nominated for an award doesn't mean they're any good. Adrian Brody, for one. Gwyneth Paltrow, for another. I like her, but she is hardly Oscar worthy. Roberto Benigni is yet another example of someone that isn't any good winning big awards. And Nicolas Cage. What has he done to merit any awards ? Other than a Razzie, I mean.

Bryan Cranston....good on Malcom, and as the Devil in Fallen. But everything is just flat and boring and cliched.
Old 08-27-12 | 01:20 AM
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For those of you who have no clue what Strike Back is:

Season 1 Trailer:

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Season 2 Trailer:

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The Full Pilot episode (posted legally on Cinemax)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTL2kPcemro

For those of you who say you have never heard of Person of Interest:

Season 1 Trailer:

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Old 08-27-12 | 01:34 AM
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Way to go, trying to make me look like a jerk, Dino. Which you failed at, by the way. I didn't say that NCIS wasn't like anything on tv before. Of course it's like a lot of other cop/detective shows. I'm guessing you can't read english, because I said at least a couple of times that I don't mind show/movies using the same kinds of stories over and over again...as long as they at least try a little bit to put SOME originality into it. The freezeframe cut scenes in NCIS are original. The goth-like forensics lady is original. The humour of the lead character that's into movies is a bit original.

And you....?
You're absolutely right. I can't read English, but it seems I am fluent in Troll.
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Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by DJariya
For those of you who have no clue what Strike Back is:

Season 1 Trailer:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HlEhORPmriE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Season 2 Trailer:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/videoseries?index=11&list=PLDAA0629543814031&hl=en_US" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


The Full Pilot episode (posted legally on Cinemax)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTL2kPcemro
For people with Xbox Live, I watched the first two episodes of Strike Back free (it's a two-episode arc) and got hooked enough to buy the season on BD.
Old 08-27-12 | 01:48 AM
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Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Originally Posted by dino88
You're absolutely right. I can't read English, but it seems I am fluent in Troll.
So, it's trolling to reply to a topic and give my view of things ?
Old 08-27-12 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
There's no good vs bad in Game Of Thrones ? What show are you watching ?
Game of Thrones. Because the "good" characters on that show do bad things, and the "bad" characters do good things on a regular basis. It's absolutely not a story about good vs. bad.
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There's no good vs bad in Game Of Thrones ? What show are you watching ?
Please name hero and villain of the show.

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
And just because someone is nominated for an award doesn't mean they're any good. Adrian Brody, for one. Gwyneth Paltrow, for another. I like her, but she is hardly Oscar worthy. Roberto Benigni is yet another example of someone that isn't any good winning big awards. And Nicolas Cage. What has he done to merit any awards ? Other than a Razzie, I mean.

Bryan Cranston....good on Malcom, and as the Devil in Fallen. But everything is just flat and boring and cliched.
I'll grant you the "nominated for an award" not necessarily signifying great acting, but this isn't the case for these actors, they consistently deliver amazing performances. I don't understand the flat boring and cliched comment, you mean his performance in Breaking Bad?
Old 08-27-12 | 03:49 PM
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Most characters in game of thrones can not be put in good or evil. However, I would put the mountain as complete evil and Brienne as complete good but these are the only two characters I would label with good or evil.
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Originally Posted by msdmoney
Please name hero and villain of the show.
Joffrey Baratheon, Theon Greyjoy, Tyrion Lannister. Three of the biggest bad guys on the show.

Ned Stark, Lady Catelyn Stark. Two of the main good guys on the show.
Old 08-27-12 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
What of anything I said is exaggerated or wrong ? And yes, zombie rules. Just like vampire movies, there are certain rules that zombie movies (for the most part) follow. Shoot them in the head, is one rule. Getting bit or scratched by a zombie, is another. But Walking Dead just threw 100 years of cinema history out the window. And Game Of Thrones is just like every other fantasy series that I've seen. I don't mind storylines or story types being used again and again, but the result should be entertaining and at least a little bit original. When I look at clips of Game Of Thrones, I don't think "cool. something new and original." I just think "this is just like Lord Of The Rings." To me, it's just a mash of Beastmaster and Lord Of The Rings without any of the good parts.

What do I like ? Well....
Batman The Animated Series
Superman The Animated Series
Merlin
Doctor Who
Lord Of The Rings
A Team
classic Disney animation
Animaniacs
Back To The Future
Black Books
Blazing Saddles
Blue Collar Comedy
John Hughes movies
Carrie
Child's Play
Corner Gas
and the first 2 Terminator movies, just to name a few things I like.
And this is where the thread turned. Might as well separate this into the "Spottedfeather hates Game of Thrones and Walking Dead" thread and the original thread at this point. But hey, GoT has big wolves, Boromir and a Hobbit, so I can see the comparison. Heck, it's a Beastmaster/Lord of the Rings/Night of the Living Dead/Still Standing mash-up.

But hey, you have a solid list of cartoons there, I'll give you that.
Old 08-27-12 | 06:25 PM
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Re: Why aren't you watching (Insert show and reason)?

Actually, the "zombie rules" as bought down from the mount by Lord Romero were that every human who dies becomes a zombie. Zombie bites caused death in a few hours, death then turned them into a zombie. In that sense The Walking Dead actually follows "the rules" better than 99% of the zombie movies in recent times.

As far as Game of Thrones... I can't address anyone who thinks what Spotted Feather thought about the show. I could see someone not liking fantasy, or thinking it is too serious and convoluted (someone liking their fantasy basic and straight forward like Conan or Beastmaster) but unoriginal? I love fantasy and GOT is the best fantasy series ever, and better than 95% of the movies out there.

As far as the characters named, with the exception of maybe Joffry (who has some pretty good reasons) there was not a character listed who does not have a mix of bad and good in them.
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Okay here we go:

Strike Back (Cinemax) -- don't subscribe to Cinemax
Once Upon a Time (ABC) -- watched one episode and it was shit
Revenge (ABC) -- watched one episode and it was shit
The Good Wife (CBS) -- watched one episode and it was shit
2 Broke Girls (CBS)-- watched one episode and it was shit
Castle (ABC) -- watched one episode and it was shit
Happy Endings (ABC) -- I watch this
New Girl (FOX) -- watched one episode and it was shit
Parenthood (NBC) -- watched one episode and it was shit
Modern Family (ABC) -- I watch this
Glee (FOX) -- watched one episode and it was shit
Suburgatory (ABC) -- I watch this
Person of Interest (CBS) -- watched one episode and it was shit
The Vampire Diaries (CW) -- watched one episode and it was shit
Parks and Recreation (NBC) -- I watch this
30 Rock (NBC) -- I watch this
The Office (NBC) -- I begrudgingly still watch this
Fringe (FOX) -- watched one episode and it was shit
Community (NBC) -- I watch this
Grimm (NBC) -- watched one episode and it was shit
Nikita (CW) -- watched one episode and it was shit
Homeland (Showtime) -- not subscribed to Showtime, just bought it on Blu-ray
Game of Thrones (HBO) -- I watch this
Girls (HBO) -- I watch this
Dexter (Showtime) -- I begrudgingly still watch this (yes I'm not subscribed to Showtime)
Episodes (Showtime) -- see above
Spartacus (Starz) -- watched one episode and it was shit
Justified (FX) -- I do watch this when I remember
Sons of Anarchy (FX) -- watched one episode and it was shit
Covert Affairs (USA) -- I don't do any USA shows, because I watched one and it was... well you get it
White Collar (USA) -- ditto
Burn Notice (USA) -- ditto
Suits (USA) -- ditto
Boardwalk Empire (HBO) -- watched a bit of first season, lost interest
Veep (HBO) -- I watch this
The Walking Dead (AMC) -- see Boardwalk Empire
Breaking Bad (AMC) -- I watch this
American Horror Story (FX) -- watched one episode and it was shit
Hawaii Five-O (CBS) -- didn't have to watch one episode to know it was shit
Louie (FX) -- I watch this
Boss (Starz) -- not subscribed
NCIS (CBS)....Can't forget the highest rated show on network TV. -- watched one episode and it was shit
Mad Men (AMC) -- I watch this
Pretty Little Liars (ABC Family) -- I'm 29 year old man, I don't watch ABC Family.

Old 08-27-12 | 06:55 PM
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Some of you seem to have some pre-conceived opinion that ABC Family is some cheesey channel for teens or little girls. I'm in my 30's and I like the channel and I think they have produced some pretty good family shows along with some good serial dramas.

Pretty Little Liars is a guilty pleasure for me mainly because of the attractive female leads, but it's also an on-going serialized murder mystery. I get it though. The leads are girls, so you're all assuming the target audience is girls. It's a very popular show though and I think it has a broader audience than just young girls.

Switched at Birth (also on the same channel) is a very compelling family drama.

Greek (which ended 2 years ago) was a college frat party 1-drama/comedy. I think it appealed to all audiences.

I get it though. Most of you like shows with a harder edge and you may deem ABC Family as too fluffy for your tastes. I just don't think it's fair to write off the channel as shit.

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Old 08-27-12 | 07:02 PM
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Same with The CW. I think most on this board write off that channel because they think it only produces cheesey teen young adult shows like 90210 and Gossip Girl, which is obviously targetted for young women and teen girls.

I think they are branching out more towards male viewers especially with Nikita (which hardly anyone on this board watches for whatever reason), Supernatural, and now Arrow coming out this Fall. And for the record, I think The Vampire Diaries is probably one of their best shows and IMO appeals to both men and women.
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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
Joffrey Baratheon, Theon Greyjoy, Tyrion Lannister. Three of the biggest bad guys on the show.

Ned Stark, Lady Catelyn Stark. Two of the main good guys on the show.
You are wrong about almost everyone you listed.

And I agree with DJariya, especially about the CW. Both Nikita and TVD are great shows.
Old 08-27-12 | 07:16 PM
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I actually used to watch Kyle XY so I get the ABC Family thing. I don't watch ABC Family because it's too cutesy or anything but because the shows are geared towards young girls. Granted so is the CW but I still liked Smallville enough. Also, the material on ABC Family's shows (according the commercials I've seen) are far from being family appropriate.
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I get that Pretty Little Liars is a popular show, but it still seems aimed at teen girls to me, as do shows like Bunheads (which I watch), Secret Life, Switched at Birth, Jane by Design, etc. PLL is like a teenaged Desperate Housewives. CW skews older but also targets either a younger audience, or an audience that likes watching highschool-aged kids (Nikita being an exception, I guess). There's nothing wrong with that, and I'm not belittling people's choices (hey, I watch cartoons), but I would think most people who watch consider them more in the "guilty pleasures" category.
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You are wrong about almost everyone you listed.

And I agree with DJariya, especially about the CW. Both Nikita and TVD are great shows.
I'm not wrong about any of the characters I mentioned. It's completely ridiculous to say that a tv show has no good guys or bad guys. How am I wrong ?
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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
Joffrey Baratheon, Theon Greyjoy, Tyrion Lannister. Three of the biggest bad guys on the show.

Ned Stark, Lady Catelyn Stark. Two of the main good guys on the show.
Old 08-27-12 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
I'm not wrong about any of the characters I mentioned. It's completely ridiculous to say that a tv show has no good guys or bad guys. How am I wrong ?
Well then it's ridiculous because it's true. This is why it is original because everyone has a shade of grey. There is no true good or evil (there are exceptions). If you watched the show you would know that
Old 08-27-12 | 09:35 PM
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I HAVE seen the show. You can't have a show or movie without good guys and bad guys. Of course, everyone has shades of grey. It wouldn't be interesting if they didn't. But there ARE good guys and bad guys. Having bad guys with a hint of good in them or good guys who have a hint of bad isn't original. Not in the slightest. Watchmen is a good example. The Comedian was one of the main good guys. But he was a rapist and he smoked. Yet, he was a good guy. Or sticking with the Watchmen.....Nite Owl. He was one of the main good guys, but he decided to be a worthless coward by going along with the plan to lie to the world that Dr. Manhattan was the one who attacked. And he did nothing to avenge Rorshach's cowardly murder. Your argument has no merit.
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Well this show doesnt. You show me one villain action that tyrion did and I will counteract with a 'hero' act
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I get that Pretty Little Liars is a popular show, but it still seems aimed at teen girls to me, as do shows like Bunheads (which I watch), Secret Life, Switched at Birth, Jane by Design, etc. PLL is like a teenaged Desperate Housewives. CW skews older but also targets either a younger audience, or an audience that likes watching highschool-aged kids (Nikita being an exception, I guess). There's nothing wrong with that, and I'm not belittling people's choices (hey, I watch cartoons), but I would think most people who watch consider them more in the "guilty pleasures" category.
I watch Bunheads but my wife, teen girl, and sister hate it
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Well this show doesnt. You show me one villain action that tyrion did and I will counteract with a 'hero' act
Well...
rape
abuse
arranged marriage
drunkedness
murder
attempted murder
Old 08-28-12 | 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Spottedfeather
Well...
rape
abuse
arranged marriage
drunkedness
murder
attempted murder
Spoiler:

rape - who did he rape?
murder? Who did Tyrion murder?
arranged marriage (This is a villianous act?) - counterpoint- he saved her life by sending her off from Kings Landing.

Drunkedness. Seriously? That is a evil act?

Good acts by tyrion:

Made special saddle for Bran
Made Joffrey apologize to the starks for what happened to Bran.
Admonished Joffrey multiple times for hurting Sansa, the people of kings landing.
Leading the defense of Kings Landing.

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