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pinata242 04-17-12 02:53 PM

Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
:lol: Fair and fixed.

sven 04-17-12 02:56 PM

Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
I don't think we need the fat man to finish the series. If he just gets the next book out in time I think the producers and writers will be more than capable of finishing the story without him.

Astrofan 04-17-12 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by covenant (Post 11193886)
She wouldn't be so weird looking if she didn't keep doing that smirk. Or at least tone it down a notch.

I thought she just got caught in a bad picture. If she has a signature smirk it's not a good look.

Tommy Ceez 04-17-12 03:05 PM

Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Look, his massive time between the other books was because he had no pressure externally.

Now he has two options.

1) Write quicker

2) Have a universe he created, toiled over, and loves TAKEN AWAY FROM HIM and finished by some TV writers (which he formerly was)

For any creative person, option #2 is unacceptable

T-bone22 04-17-12 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by areacode212 (Post 11193217)
I really don't like the TV version of Yara/Asha Greyjoy. I always imagined her as someone with a lot more spunk and charisma.

Same here

Dr Mabuse 04-17-12 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 11193718)
:lol: Have you not been paying attention to the world GRRM has created? ;) No good deed gets rewarded.

Stop posting spoilers dammit!

;)

Groucho 04-17-12 03:45 PM

Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
I look forward to seeing what Theon may or may not do next, if he should appear in future episodes.

superdeluxe 04-17-12 03:52 PM

Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 

Originally Posted by Astrofan (Post 11193781)
To address some points from a page ago--I've said before that they're going to have a very tough, if not impossible, time finishing this series. First it's possible it well be ten years or more before Martin finishes the series. Also he's obese and like Jordan's Wheel of Time, he may die before he finishes it. Second how long do you think you can keep a cast together? Remember:

Spoiler:
Some major characters disappear for an entire book.

And children are growing up, adults may have accidents, other projects or just aren't available to film two or three episodes of a 10 episode series.

I think this series is on fire and I'm loving every minute--including Dany! But I'm will to take a bet that without creating an artificial ending around season 4 or so, they will never finish this.


It has been stated that GRRM has given a outline to finish the series if he dies to D&D. So rest assured, this will be finished. And just like Brandon Sanderson, they will find a writer to finish out GRRM's works.

superdeluxe 04-17-12 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickee (Post 11193799)
I think I remember reading or hearing somewhere that Martin has told the show's producers how he plans the story to end in case something were to happen to him, they could still finish it out.

Damn, always late!

musick 04-17-12 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by covenant (Post 11193886)
She wouldn't be so weird looking if she didn't keep doing that smirk. Or at least tone it down a notch.

yeah, it kind of reminds me of Jack's Joker but whatever

Shady12 04-17-12 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 11193718)
:lol: Have you not been paying attention to the world GRRM has created? ;) No good deed gets rewarded.

Was gonna say..what do you think this is a Disney production?! haha

Shady12 04-17-12 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Astrofan (Post 11193790)
Man, you guys are tough. If you have lots of pictures taken of you don't be surprised if some not so flattering images show up.

Also not everybody has to be Scarlett Johannson material. Natalie is a very good actress--see The Tudors--with a natural, sexy body. In fact the non-pneumatic breasts, in most of the actresses who are showing their bodies, is quite refreshing.

I agree she has a nice body and I have liked her acting(never seen her before this). But I don't like her face. That's what paper sacks are for.

pinata242 04-17-12 05:00 PM

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You guys can just turn her over and pretend she's Loras.

mugwump 04-17-12 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 11194092)
You guys can just turn her over and pretend she's Loras.

Yes indeed. She might not be every man's cup of tea but she sure is accommodating.

As for the books never being finished I'm pretty ambivalent. When Sanderson took over The Wheel of Time after Jordan's demise the pace and writing actually picked up and the series became readable once again.

Toonview 04-17-12 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 11194092)
You guys can just turn her over and pretend she's Loras.

LOL! Well played sir, well played.

Astrofan 04-17-12 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shady12 (Post 11194081)
I agree she has a nice body and I have liked her acting(never seen her before this). But I don't like her face. That's what paper sacks are for.

She was thinking the same thing about you! :banana:

GreenMonkey 04-18-12 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mugwump (Post 11194116)
As for the books never being finished I'm pretty ambivalent. When Sanderson took over The Wheel of Time after Jordan's demise the pace and writing actually picked up and the series became readable once again.

There's a difference. Martin is a great writer, and someone else writing the end to a story as complex as ASOIAF would be pretty tough. It's possible, given his admiration for Robin Hobb, that she would be asked to do the job (sheer speculation here as Martin has said she's doing some of the best stuff in modern fantasy and I'm a big Hobb fan). She's my favorite writer, and great with character-driven stories, but picking up ASOAIF and finishing it successfully would be a tough task even for her.

Jordan, on the other hand, is a mediocre writer IMO whose stories kind of spin around and go nowhere ;)

I figure the pace will pick up now. He had a lot of problems putting plotlines together and catching timelines back up to each other after the Feast/Dance split...but it sounds like he's going to have a lot less trouble with the next couple of books.

johnnysd 04-18-12 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenMonkey (Post 11194978)
There's a difference. Martin is a great writer, and someone else writing the end to a story as complex as ASOIAF would be pretty tough. It's possible, given his admiration for Robin Hobb, that she would be asked to do the job (sheer speculation here as Martin has said she's doing some of the best stuff in modern fantasy and I'm a big Hobb fan). She's my favorite writer, and great with character-driven stories, but picking up ASOAIF and finishing it successfully would be a tough task even for her.

Jordan, on the other hand, is a mediocre writer IMO whose stories kind of spin around and go nowhere ;)

I'm sure the pace will pick up after A Dance for Dragons. He had a lot of problems putting plotlines together and catching timelines back up to each other after the Feast/Dance split...but it sounds like he's going to have a lot less trouble with the next couple of books.

Interesting. I love Jordan and hate hate Hobb.

The first 6 books of WOT were some of the best fantasy ever written. the story did get a bit unruly after that for a while, but if you think the exact same thing is not happening with Martin now you are fooling yourself.

But if GRRM were to die, I am almost positive that they would have Daniel Abraham finish it. I think Martin will get it done though, he has said it is all downhill from here after he got past the Mereneese Knot, which did not seem to me to big a big deal.

pinata242 04-18-12 09:45 AM

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I'm as guilty of it as anyone else in this thread, but really, these conversations that have nothing to do with the episode in question should be moved to, at the least, the Season 2 Spoilers thread if not the Book Forum (which is a thing).

superdeluxe 04-18-12 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnysd (Post 11195009)
Interesting. I love Jordan and hate hate Hobb.

The first 6 books of WOT were some of the best fantasy ever written. the story did get a bit unruly after that for a while, but if you think the exact same thing is not happening with Martin now you are fooling yourself.

But if GRRM were to die, I am almost positive that they would have Daniel Abraham finish it.

Daniel Abraham was mentored by GRRM correct? Would that be a good choice?

CRM114 04-18-12 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KirstenS (Post 11191942)
I think most of the Dany haters, such as myself, are book readers. I've always found her chapters hard to slog through. Nice to see that the writers have done a good job of making her storyline interesting on the show for non-book readers.

This is really distressing to read for a non-book reader. She has dragons and I was really hoping that would be an exciting element of the show yet to come. Guess not.

JohnSlider 04-18-12 11:52 AM

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Then you should put it in spoiler tags, too.

argh923 04-18-12 12:56 PM

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People, get over it. seriously. I haven't even read the books, but this is getting out of hand. Now people are complaining about someone saying a character in the book isn't exciting? It's an OPINION.

superfro 04-18-12 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by abrg923 (Post 11195278)
People, get over it. seriously. I haven't even read the books, but this is getting out of hand. Now people are complaining about someone saying a character in the book isn't exciting? It's an OPINION.

You're missing the point.

Spoiler:
It's not about someone's opinion of the character not being exciting, it's the fact that they shed light that certain characters are still kicking around in the latest books. And that in itself is a spoiler when you're dealing with a world such as the one in GoT.

CRM114 04-18-12 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by superfro (Post 11193811)
So the guy is fat, that's not an instant death sentence. Everybody talks like the guy is at death's door all the time. And they have been for the last 10+ years. :lol:

Stanley Kubrick keeled over at an unexpected age. It's wise to have contingency plans. Perhaps then we wouldn't have gotten a digitally altered Eyes Wide Shut.


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