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CRM114 04-18-12 02:50 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by John Slider (Post 11195199)
Then you should put it in spoiler tags, too.
I don't give a shit about your spoiler bitchfest. I'm just stating it's a bummer if Dany's story with the dragons doesn't become awesome which is what I'm sensing. I was looking forward to that happening but if her story is "boring" I guess it won't. I'm not complaining about it being spoiled.

superfro 04-18-12 02:56 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11195417)
Stanley Kubrick keeled over at an unexpected age. It's wise to have contingency plans. Perhaps then we wouldn't have gotten a digitally altered Eyes Wide Shut.
Exactly. That even strengthens the point. I put it all to people projecting their nerd fear that they're not going to get to know the ending. Nothing is wrong with the guy's health that I can find, yet everybody has been talking for years about how he's knocking on death's door. :lol:

JohnSlider 04-18-12 03:18 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11195431)
I don't give a shit about your spoiler bitchfest.
Spoiler:
I'm just stating it's a bummer if Dany's story with the dragons doesn't become awesome which is what I'm sensing. I was looking forward to that happening but if her story is "boring" I guess it won't. I'm not complaining about it being spoiled.
Is it still too much to ask that you afford your fellow posters who do "give a shit" a little bit of courtesy? Plenty of people explained why this kind of discussion is a spoiler to them, and it obviously annoys and upsets some people here for it to be discussed in the open. Isn't that enough for you to highlight a little bit of text a click a button, or maybe take the discussion to the thread that is actually intended for spoilers?

I don't know why I even come here anymore. So many posters are needlessly lazy and rude.

barelypure 04-18-12 03:49 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
I realize they have to cut scenes from the book to fit a book into a season but some of it just takes away a lot of the meaning. For example, Shae living with Tyrion @ Kings Landing. The story in the book is much more engaging. Also, she never became a hand maiden to Sansa but to some other twit, a Lady's daughter, iirc.

The death of Yoren, the escape and eventual capture of Arya and Gendry was some riveting tale in the book but this was so shortened for TV as to be meaningless. And with Arya and Gendry's escape her helping set free the criminals from where they were kept takes on more meaning.

Also, on the trick Tyrion did about marrying off Mycella memory serves that he had a tale about where Tommen would go as well but this was not on TV. But it made the identification of the tattletale more revealing.

Groucho 04-18-12 03:51 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
I may be rude and lazy, but it's never needlessly! :mad:

GreenMonkey 04-18-12 04:21 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11195431)
I don't give a shit about your spoiler bitchfest. I'm just stating it's a bummer if Dany's story with the dragons doesn't become awesome which is what I'm sensing. I was looking forward to that happening but if her story is "boring" I guess it won't. I'm not complaining about it being spoiled.
Not everyone feels the same way about Daeneyrs. There's a certain contingent that's frustrated or annoyed by her but that doesn't make it the truth. Not that anyone should be complaining about this anywhere but the book thread.

Hiro11 04-18-12 04:32 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11195431)
I'm just stating it's a bummer if Dany's story with the dragons doesn't become awesome which is what I'm sensing.
Here's a response, it's fairly non-specific, but definitely a spoiler.
Spoiler:
Dany's story becomes very interesting in the next few episodes. You will see why dragons are a big deal and why they are essentially the "nuclear weaponry" of this world. You will see what her true personality is. The continuing theme in the story of the true nature of power and what makes a good leader takes on new dimensions in following Dany. You will start to understand a bit about her family history and why they are different from most people. You'll see just how harsh the world this story is set in truly is (the civil war in Westros is child's play compared to the area Dany is heading for). In short, her story becomes one of the most interesting and dangerous.

KirstenS 04-18-12 04:39 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11195194)
This is really distressing to read for a non-book reader. She has dragons and I was really hoping that would be an exciting element of the show yet to come. Guess not.
My comment had nothing to do with the perceived action moments of Dany's storyline, with or without her dragons. I just can't stand the character, as a fictional human being. I made no mention of what happens to her, or if she lives or dies. I just don't like her.

Josh-da-man 04-18-12 05:47 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11195417)
Stanley Kubrick keeled over at an unexpected age. It's wise to have contingency plans. Perhaps then we wouldn't have gotten a digitally altered Eyes Wide Shut.
Yeah, Stephen King got run over by a van and was almost killed. And, earlier this year, Clive Barker was in a coma and almost died after a trip to the dentist.

Shit happens.

Thrush 04-18-12 06:23 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 11195723)
Clive Barker was in a coma and almost died after a trip to the dentist.
Classic British Dentistry.

pinata242 04-18-12 06:48 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 11195723)
Yeah, Stephen King got run over by a van and was almost killed.
Good news: because of that, he got motivated to finish The Dark Tower.
Bad news: because of that, he got motivated to finish The Dark Tower.

Tommy Ceez 04-18-12 09:27 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11195194)
This is really distressing to read for a non-book reader. She has dragons and I was really hoping that would be an exciting element of the show yet to come. Guess not.
Again, Dany chapters are annoying because she is set in foreign lands, not because she doesn't do anything. EXAMPLE. Her chapters have to include a lot more exposition because she's dealing (AND IM ONLY REFERRING TO THE FIRST TWO BOOKS) with non-westeos culture.

dhmac 04-18-12 11:44 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11195431)
I don't give a shit about your spoiler bitchfest. I'm just stating it's a bummer if Dany's story with the dragons doesn't become awesome which is what I'm sensing. I was looking forward to that happening but if her story is "boring" I guess it won't. I'm not complaining about it being spoiled.
I haven't read the books (yet) so don't know where Dany's storyline is heading, but did look online at the past history of Westeros, when 300 years earlier (I'll spoiler tag, although it's past history not future events)...
Spoiler:

Aegon Targaryen, aka Aegon the Conqueror, became the king of Westeros and the 7 kingdoms on it by conquering them all one-by-one with 3 grown dragons under his power. And he established the city of King's Landing on the spot where he first landed on the continent and there he started the Targaryen line, which ended with the overthrow of the Mad King, in which Daenerys belongs.

So maybe something like this ancient history is where Daenerys' story is going with the dragons.

Burnt Thru 04-19-12 03:51 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 11195723)
Yeah, Stephen King got run over by a van and was almost killed. And, earlier this year, Clive Barker was in a coma and almost died after a trip to the dentist.

Shit happens.
Those are unforeseen accidents. In Martin's case he is obese/morbidly obese and as such is due an early death. That's just the way the body works.

The Bus 04-19-12 06:47 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
I don't think it's a spoiler to say that Dany will interact with Westeros in the future. Otherwise, what's the point of her being in the story? :lol:

pinata242 04-19-12 07:38 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Well, she did interact with Westeros in that she married some Dothraki Horselord thereby requiring King Robert to order her death when pregnant. This drove a wedge between he and Ned that resulted in Ned's resignation and allowed Jaime the opportunity to confront him on the streets of King's Landing and got him injured and killed most of his men. This took him out of the series of events that lead to Robert's hunting accident and demise and weakened him for the following power play by Cersei.

It doesn't have to be more than that for her to interact with Westeros. She's free to die now ;)

zuffy 04-19-12 09:35 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
I start to watch season 1 again. Now knowing the characters and some background, it's much easier to understand the dialogs and the characters. I have a question regarding Jon Arryn's squire, Hugh. Why do Ned care or question why Hugh was knighted after Arryn's death? Am I missing something?

Groucho 04-19-12 09:37 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
The implication was that Hugh had something to do with Jon Arryn's murder, and was knighted as his reward.

wishbone 04-19-12 09:44 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
http://i43.tinypic.com/4snryu.jpg

And Hugh might have had some higher connections due to his expensive armor -- something he otherwise would not be able to afford.

KirstenS 04-19-12 09:49 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
And then, Ser Hugh just happened to be killed in the joust.

chowderhead 04-19-12 09:59 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
by Gregor Clegane AKA the Mountain (the dude that killed his own horse at the Hand's tournament). Gregor is brother to Sandor and is a sworn bannerman to the Lannisters.

zuffy 04-19-12 10:07 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
OK, thanks.

Wasn't it King Robert that knighted him? Why would he do that if King Robert has nothing to do with Arryn's death since it was the Lannisters?

CRM114 04-19-12 10:42 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by John Slider (Post 11195491)
Is it still too much to ask that you afford your fellow posters who do "give a shit" a little bit of courtesy? Plenty of people explained why this kind of discussion is a spoiler to them, and it obviously annoys and upsets some people here for it to be discussed in the open. Isn't that enough for you to highlight a little bit of text a click a button, or maybe take the discussion to the thread that is actually intended for spoilers?

I don't know why I even come here anymore. So many posters are needlessly lazy and rude.
WTF are you talking about? I'm merely commenting on a subject that has already been commented about in the open. I never read the books, I don't know anything more than you. Take a pill, dude.

zuffy 04-19-12 12:53 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Another question. Why do King Robert hate the Lannisters so much or is it just everyone hate the Lannisters?

Lastblade 04-19-12 01:03 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by GreenMonkey (Post 11194978)
There's a difference. Martin is a great writer, and someone else writing the end to a story as complex as ASOIAF would be pretty tough. It's possible, given his admiration for Robin Hobb, that she would be asked to do the job (sheer speculation here as Martin has said she's doing some of the best stuff in modern fantasy and I'm a big Hobb fan). She's my favorite writer, and great with character-driven stories, but picking up ASOAIF and finishing it successfully would be a tough task even for her.

Jordan, on the other hand, is a mediocre writer IMO whose stories kind of spin around and go nowhere ;)

I figure the pace will pick up now. He had a lot of problems putting plotlines together and catching timelines back up to each other after the Feast/Dance split...but it sounds like he's going to have a lot less trouble with the next couple of books.
I used to think GRRM was a great writer, but Feast for Crow and Dance with Dragon changed my mind. I really don't want to read about Westero cuisine any more.


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