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Yes, season one is, more or less, the entire first novel.

George R. R. Martin has, so far, written five "A Song of Ice and Fire" novels: A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, and A Dance with Dragons. There are two more novels planned to complete the story, but Martin could add more; he has done so before. Originally, "A Song of Ice and Fire" was going to be three novels.

Season two will cover "A Clash of Kings" but it's possible that they are going to start shuffling some plot elements around so season two could also include some elements from the third novel, and some elements from the second novel could end up in season three.

The third novel will probably be spread across seasons three and four, though I read somewhere that they're looking at something like eight seasons to cover the whole story. I would expect that as we get deeper into the series, some characters and plotlines might be dropped, combined, or altered since the books have a huge cast of characters.

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So far I like the changes they have made (except for a few unnecessary name changes). The added scenes help to flesh out some major characters whose impact was largely felt off screen. It seems certain that some major characters who remain AWOL throughout much of Book 2 will have scenes moved up from Book 3, both to keep viewers attached to the characters and to 'even out' some of the multitude of events that make Book 3 a veritable firestorm of activity (likewise, the anticipated splitting of Book 3 into two seasons).

I agree that some characters' motivations are now clearer and some even become far more sympathetic than the book portrayals (Theon is the most obvious example). I wouldn't have minded if they had stuck to the timeline from the books, but there are some opportunities to even out the pacing and get the viewers more heavily invested in some characters.

Likewise, I hope that this portends the intentions of the producers to rearrange Books 4 & 5 and to eliminate redundant scenes or scenes with little payoff (or to flesh them out, too). Nothing compares with reading the books for the richness of detail and internal dialogues, but the pacing of the series may actually prove to be an improvement over some of the two most recent books.

At any rate, it's going to be quite a ride. Wish I could wait the ten years or so it's going to take to complete the whole thing and then just lock myself in for a month with the entire saga.

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The series may have to spread out some books into extra seasons simply because George R. R. Martin will not finish the remaining two books in time if the show continues at a season per book pace. Otherwise, the show will completely deviate from the books at some future season because they will run out of ones to film.

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The biggest storyline that was extended into the 2nd book in the first season was that But the two major storylines that ended the 1st book was:

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They will almost have to combine books four and five and spread that season out over two or more. The 4th and 5th take place simultaneously, but due to the grand scale of the story at that point, most of the major characters we really like are AWOL from the 4th book. That could cause some major issues and confusion for loyal viewers.

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That strikes me as being a really minor change, and a good bit of planning, because that's one less piece of set-up to put in the first episode of season two which was crowded enough. It let them hit the ground running in King's Landing.

One change from the books is with the character Marillion (the troubadour who had to choose between his fingers and his tongue)...

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They addressed that in the commentaries, Josh. They felt it was worth the season one scene :p

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Ditto. I can't wait to see what happens with her. She's destined for great things.

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It's interesting how a lot of people really liked the added Theon scenes and felt they made him more sympathetic and understood his motivations. Even though those scenes weren't in the books, it's how I always assumed and knew he must've felt. I wonder if Martin wished he'd devoted more time to that in the books because Theon seemed to be so hated by most readers when it seems as if he wanted him to be a little more sympathetic.

At it's heart he's the son who was given away by his father and he'll do anything to try and make him proud. I always just pitied the guy, even when he is working against our heroes.

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I'm not hissing or anything, but seriously... this is the kind of stuff the spoiler guidelines were created for. Knowledge of future events from reading the books dumped into an episodic thread. I've been expecting any episode now she could come into her own, and now I know not to expect it this season at all. Or the next. Or the next.

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Yep. I don't get what's so hard to comprehend about 'If it hasn't been shown on the screen yet, then it can't be discussed outside of spoiler tags.' That has pretty much been the unspoken rule on this site since... well, forever. I'm sure covenant meant no harm by his post, but it's not exactly rocket science.

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Yep, there's a whole thread for things that haven't been directly shown or can be obviously inferred from the series.

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If it makes you feel better, I think Martin has done lots of cool things with Dany's storyline, some of which we should see this season.

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I know this line is a spoiler, but for those who have read it and are pissed..it's an opinion and not a fact.

It's actually a very bad opinion. Do not worry.

This is more of an 'I think she sucks' opinion than 'nothing happens in her storyline' opinion.

There are those of us who think she does TOO MUCH.

There....I have significantly muddied the waters to invalidate the spoiler.

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Yeah, I also always assumed that this is what Theon is like, so I'm glad that the show is exploring his motivations a bit more. Also, Alfie Allen has been doing a great job of playing him.

I'm a book reader, and I don't love Dany herself all that much, but her storyline is interesting.

I really don't like the TV version of Yara/Asha Greyjoy. I always imagined her as someone with a lot more spunk and charisma.

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Thanks for the spoilers. WTF?

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As a non-book reader I read you post like this:
"Nothing ever really comes of the storyline with Dany and her Dragons"

Seems like big spoiler to me. And I'm sure you disappointed a lot of people who are expecting great things with the dragons.

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Not to mention

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I can't really defend my post for not being a spoiler without creating more spoilers. *sigh*
Sorry guys, I didn't mean any harm. Tommy Ceez and Areacode212 have it right.

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Shame about Yoren, dude was seriously badass.

This show makes my week.