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Dave99 04-19-12 01:07 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by zuffy (Post 11196912)
Another question. Why do King Robert hate the Lannisters so much or is it just everyone hate the Lannisters?
the lannisters have always been the 1%.

wishbone 04-19-12 01:17 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Detailed answer or spoiler not necessary but does the book series ever divulge how the Lannisters became so wealthy?

pinata242 04-19-12 01:19 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Gold mines in the west.

superfro 04-19-12 01:34 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 11196975)
Gold mines in the west.
Also Tywin Lannister shits gold.

Mordred 04-19-12 01:36 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by wishbone (Post 11196973)
Detailed answer or spoiler not necessary but does the book series ever divulge how the Lannisters became so wealthy?
There's a rumor going around that Tywin actually shits gold.

Major spoiler from the books:
Spoiler:
This rumor is definitively shown to be false.

Edit: damn you!

CKMorpheus 04-19-12 04:14 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by zuffy (Post 11196620)
I start to watch season 1 again. Now knowing the characters and some background, it's much easier to understand the dialogs and the characters. I have a question regarding Jon Arryn's squire, Hugh. Why do Ned care or question why Hugh was knighted after Arryn's death? Am I missing something?
Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 11196623)
The implication was that Hugh had something to do with Jon Arryn's murder, and was knighted as his reward.
Originally Posted by wishbone (Post 11196630)
http://i43.tinypic.com/4snryu.jpg

And Hugh might have had some higher connections due to his expensive armor -- something he otherwise would not be able to afford.
Originally Posted by KirstenS (Post 11196634)
And then, Ser Hugh just happened to be killed in the joust.
Originally Posted by chowderhead (Post 11196644)
by Gregor Clegane AKA the Mountain (the dude that killed his own horse at the Hand's tournament). Gregor is brother to Sandor and is a sworn bannerman to the Lannisters.
http://celebslife.net/wp-content/upl...eeves-whoa.jpg

I... never made that connection. Wow.

Charlie Goose 04-19-12 10:46 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Okay, I've FINALLY caught up after not watching the first season as it initially aired. This is a great show, never boring.

I do have a few questions that I may have missed.
1) Arya Stark is on the run with the older teen boy. The king's guards came looking, and she thought it was for HER, but it was really for HIM. Why does Joffrey want him?

2) Sometimes I'm not great with faces, too many sad faced dudes with wispy beards. The royal that was horsing around with the guy instead of his wife, that's not the queen's brother, is he? That's another gay guy, right?

3) The guys from the Wall. Why are they not at the wall? What are they chasing?

pinata242 04-19-12 11:23 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by Charlie Goose (Post 11197713)
Okay, I've FINALLY caught up after not watching the first season as it initially aired. This is a great show, never boring.

I do have a few questions that I may have missed.
1) Arya Stark is on the run with the older teen boy. The king's guards came looking, and she thought it was for HER, but it was really for HIM. Why does Joffrey want him?

2) Sometimes I'm not great with faces, too many sad faced dudes with wispy beards. The royal that was horsing around with the guy instead of his wife, that's not the queen's brother, is he? That's another gay guy, right?

3) The guys from the Wall. Why are they not at the wall? What are they chasing?
1) Gendry. He's one of King Robert's bastards. We saw him twice in season 1.

2) That's King Robert's brother, Renly. We saw him several times in season 1.

3) They're north of the wall, hunting wildlings and/or whatever killed their men (remember the severed arm and zombie they brought back). Also looking for their First Ranger, Benjen Stark (Jon Snow's uncle).

andicus 04-20-12 01:32 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 11194092)
You guys can just turn her over and pretend she's Loras.
rotfl

I'm so bummed out over Yoren's death.

As for the spoilers, I had managed to avoid the initial Dany spoiler, but it was restated so many times, I ended up reading it. All I can say is it's fucking disappointing. Both the spoiler and that people aren't more considerate. It's really not difficult.

Charlie Goose 04-20-12 05:21 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 11197754)
1) Gendry. He's one of King Robert's bastards. We saw him twice in season 1.

2) That's King Robert's brother, Renly. We saw him several times in season 1.

3) They're north of the wall, hunting wildlings and/or whatever killed their men (remember the severed arm and zombie they brought back). Also looking for their First Ranger, Benjen Stark (Jon Snow's uncle).
Ah thanks, I remember that now. Gendry doesn't know that he's in line for the throne though, right?

I can't wait for when/if Joffrey gets an asskicking. He's a great villain.

lordwow 04-20-12 06:19 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by Charlie Goose (Post 11197713)
Okay, I've FINALLY caught up after not watching the first season as it initially aired. This is a great show, never boring.

I do have a few questions that I may have missed.
1) Arya Stark is on the run with the older teen boy. The king's guards came looking, and she thought it was for HER, but it was really for HIM. Why does Joffrey want him?
At the very end of Episode 1 of Season 2, they go killing all the bastards. The blacksmith Gendry was working with spills the beans that he had the helmet and was heading North to the Wall.

chowderhead 04-20-12 07:14 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by Charlie Goose (Post 11197892)
Ah thanks, I remember that now. Gendry doesn't know that he's in line for the throne though, right?

I can't wait for when/if Joffrey gets an asskicking. He's a great villain.
Gendry really has no real claim to the throne as a bastard child. King Robert would have had to legitimize him to give him any claim. He is dangerous to the Lannisters because of the way he looks i.e. black hair as proof that Cersei's children are not Robert's. No, Gendry doesn't know he is Robert's son.

CRM114 04-20-12 08:46 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Who's the dude Renly is in bed with? Just some random character?

Groucho 04-20-12 08:48 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11198039)
Who's the dude Renly is in bed with? Just some random character?
That's his brother-in-law, Loras Tyrell (the "Flower Knight" from last season).

wishbone 04-20-12 09:11 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11198039)
Who's the dude Renly is in bed with? Just some random character?
http://i42.tinypic.com/omfpv.jpg

<img src=http://i42.tinypic.com/2laei4w.png width=492>

Less straight this season (his hair).

Dr. DVD 04-20-12 09:45 AM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by Hiro11 (Post 11195602)
Here's a response, it's fairly non-specific, but definitely a spoiler.
Spoiler:
Dany's story becomes very interesting in the next few episodes. You will see why dragons are a big deal and why they are essentially the "nuclear weaponry" of this world. You will see what her true personality is. The continuing theme in the story of the true nature of power and what makes a good leader takes on new dimensions in following Dany. You will start to understand a bit about her family history and why they are different from most people. You'll see just how harsh the world this story is set in truly is (the civil war in Westros is child's play compared to the area Dany is heading for). In short, her story becomes one of the most interesting and dangerous.

I have to say, I have to credit Emilia Clarke for making the character interesting in the series and due to that, giving me someone interesting to visualize in the books. Not really spoilers, but..

Spoiler:
Dany's story is definitely one about someone rising to power after being reduced to almost nothing. I am on book three and she is definitely growing into someone that could be considered a power player.

argh923 04-20-12 12:30 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
I have a question that is a spoiler - no need for details, just a simple yes or no. Will we see Arya's direwolf - the one she forced to run away after her altercation with Joffrey in Season 1 - again?

pinata242 04-20-12 12:36 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
I hope no one answers that publicly. I'll send you a PM.

fujishig 04-20-12 01:11 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
When Littlefinger confronts Tyrion, he knows all three of the plots. Does that mean Varys leaked too?

I thought that the opening changes based on what locations would be featured in the show, but I guess it's not as dynamic as I thought. We saw both Dany and Stannis's location in the opening but no scenes from either that I remember...

pinata242 04-20-12 01:14 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Not necessarily. It was clear that Cersei heard the Dorne plan and reacted. Then that plan was laid out in front of the entire council. You don't arrest the Grand Maester without Varys and Baelish finding out instantly. They can put the pieces together without leaking or even talking to each other.

argh923 04-20-12 01:55 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Yeah, don't answer my question anyone, pinata took care of it for me. :) Good stuff. I just started Book 1 last night...I absolutely love this series, the world and the characters. Fantastic.

MikahC 04-20-12 03:04 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 11198473)
I thought that the opening changes based on what locations would be featured in the show, but I guess it's not as dynamic as I thought.
I thought it changed based on what the story has exposed us to of the known world at any given point. So when Dany entered new territory, the intro showed new territory. When we met Stannis, his land was subsequently included.

pinata242 04-20-12 04:29 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
They didn't add Storm's End south of King's Landing where Cat went to treat with Renly. They added Dragonstone in episode one and Pyke in episode two.

Defiant1 04-20-12 10:07 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 11198039)
Who's the dude Renly is in bed with? Just some random character?
Did you completely blank out during the prolonged chest shaving/blowjob scene between Renly and Loras last season?

Groucho 04-20-12 10:11 PM
Re: Game of Thrones -- "What Is Dead May Never Die" -- 4/15/12
 
Originally Posted by Defiant1 (Post 11199159)
Did you completely blank out during the prolonged chest shaving/blowjob scene between Renly and Loras last season?
He made it through the first 30 seconds or so, and then suddenly lost interest.


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