Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11
I'm assuming that you don't think that the whole story should be told in gibberish and subtitles, and that using English is okay even though it's a fantasy world.
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My reactions to this episode as someone who's read the books:
Good:
1. Good acting across the board. Special props to Dinklage (Tyrion is such a plum role for him), the girl playing Arya and the guy playing Jaime who are all perfect for their roles.
2. Excellent scene with Summer protecting Bran, perfectly set up and just as I envisioned it in the books.
3. The conversations between Jon and Tyrion and Robert and Ned were all great, particularly the latter. Bean and Addy are consumate pros.
4. Great pacing and story telling, especially given the complex source material. I found this episode exceptionally clear and fat free, but then again I've read the books.
5. Terrifically handled ending. The last ten minutes
were handled very well.
Bad:
1. They're really screwing up the whole Dothraki / Daeneys (sp) story. Maybe they're trying to give the character more of an arc but she was nowhere near the quivering wreck portrayed in the show and her relationship with Kal Drogo is much more consensual in the books. Also way too much gratuitous soft porn in this episode with her. Lots of what they call "fan service" in the anime world. To be fair, it's in the book, but it could have been handled better here.
2. Cat's character is poorly written
. She shows a little steel with Jon Snow, but not enough. We'll see how they handle her going forward.
3. Along the same lines, I get that it's the "middle ages", but this show could easily be interpreted as sexist at this point . It's a bit offputting that all the women are shown doing are wringing their hands by their son's bedside, being deviously murderous or being plowed from behind by candlelight. Maybe this will change once they
but right now it's pretty much what "Dazed and Confused" called a "male domination fantasy".
4. They need to make the geography clearer. Yes, if people pay attention to the title sequence, they'll get it, but judging by the comments here people aren't.
Overall, this show is great. It's moving along briskly and I can wait for them to get to King's Landing and points beyond...
.
Good:
1. Good acting across the board. Special props to Dinklage (Tyrion is such a plum role for him), the girl playing Arya and the guy playing Jaime who are all perfect for their roles.
2. Excellent scene with Summer protecting Bran, perfectly set up and just as I envisioned it in the books.
3. The conversations between Jon and Tyrion and Robert and Ned were all great, particularly the latter. Bean and Addy are consumate pros.
4. Great pacing and story telling, especially given the complex source material. I found this episode exceptionally clear and fat free, but then again I've read the books.
5. Terrifically handled ending. The last ten minutes
Spoiler:
Bad:
1. They're really screwing up the whole Dothraki / Daeneys (sp) story. Maybe they're trying to give the character more of an arc but she was nowhere near the quivering wreck portrayed in the show and her relationship with Kal Drogo is much more consensual in the books. Also way too much gratuitous soft porn in this episode with her. Lots of what they call "fan service" in the anime world. To be fair, it's in the book, but it could have been handled better here.
2. Cat's character is poorly written
Spoiler:
3. Along the same lines, I get that it's the "middle ages", but this show could easily be interpreted as sexist at this point . It's a bit offputting that all the women are shown doing are wringing their hands by their son's bedside, being deviously murderous or being plowed from behind by candlelight. Maybe this will change once they
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4. They need to make the geography clearer. Yes, if people pay attention to the title sequence, they'll get it, but judging by the comments here people aren't.
Overall, this show is great. It's moving along briskly and I can wait for them to get to King's Landing and points beyond...
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11
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Enjoying the show so far, but still trying to keep track of who's who (never read the books). While I'm a long way from remembering everybody's name and the names of the different regions (I've got Ned, Winterfell, and Bran so far), but at least I can recognize them by sight except for Ned's various male children. Aside from the bastard one and the two girls, I'm a little unsure as to how many he has. I'll have to go back and watch the scene where they adopt the direwolf pups again and do a count.
And speaking of the wolves, the time jump in this episode threw me quite a bit. Given the events of the first episode and the scene where the dwarf guy was slapping around the Snotty Prince (with the whole "your lack of condolences has already been noticed" thing) I figured that a few days had passed, and that the wolves that we were seeing were ones other than the pups from the first epsisode, but then we see these seemingly full-grown wolves as pets of the various children and their mother mentions that a month has passed, leaving me wondering just how fast those wolves grow...
Now, I hate to be "that guy" who watches something and can't keep up, so be kind if this stuff was already explained, but there's a few things I've been wondering. Now, if these things haven't actually been explained by the show yet, great, I'm not compeltely braindead. Otherwise, I wouldn't mind a little clarification, as I think I might have missed a few little details amidst the flood of information.
- Why did Ned bring his youngest daughter along on this trip? The older one, sure, she's being wed to the Snotty Prince, but it seems odd to bring the younger one along (while apparently leaving his various sons at home). Didn't he already know that there's something amiss with the (pardon the spelling) Lanisters?
- Why does the blonde guy think that by marrying his sister off to the barbarian horde that they'd be willing to fight for his cause? Sure, the barbarian leader is said to command a HUGE amount of people, but I still don't quite see why he'd suddenly be willing to attack what has to be a rather formidable force just because this one guy gave him his sister.
Again, sorry about the lack of names here. I'm especially lost when it comes to the names of the various people in the Horse Barbarians plotline. I know Dothraki (sp, I'm sure) is one of them, but I don't know if that's one of the blond people, the country they're from, the horse barbarians, or the name of their leader.
And speaking of the wolves, the time jump in this episode threw me quite a bit. Given the events of the first episode and the scene where the dwarf guy was slapping around the Snotty Prince (with the whole "your lack of condolences has already been noticed" thing) I figured that a few days had passed, and that the wolves that we were seeing were ones other than the pups from the first epsisode, but then we see these seemingly full-grown wolves as pets of the various children and their mother mentions that a month has passed, leaving me wondering just how fast those wolves grow...
Now, I hate to be "that guy" who watches something and can't keep up, so be kind if this stuff was already explained, but there's a few things I've been wondering. Now, if these things haven't actually been explained by the show yet, great, I'm not compeltely braindead. Otherwise, I wouldn't mind a little clarification, as I think I might have missed a few little details amidst the flood of information.
- Why did Ned bring his youngest daughter along on this trip? The older one, sure, she's being wed to the Snotty Prince, but it seems odd to bring the younger one along (while apparently leaving his various sons at home). Didn't he already know that there's something amiss with the (pardon the spelling) Lanisters?
- Why does the blonde guy think that by marrying his sister off to the barbarian horde that they'd be willing to fight for his cause? Sure, the barbarian leader is said to command a HUGE amount of people, but I still don't quite see why he'd suddenly be willing to attack what has to be a rather formidable force just because this one guy gave him his sister.
Again, sorry about the lack of names here. I'm especially lost when it comes to the names of the various people in the Horse Barbarians plotline. I know Dothraki (sp, I'm sure) is one of them, but I don't know if that's one of the blond people, the country they're from, the horse barbarians, or the name of their leader.
04-26-11 | 03:30 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11
It feels stilted to me. Everyone is so stupidly formal. Peter Dinklage manages to break free of a lot of it, but even then he has dumb lines like "Everything looks better with wine in your belly."
The show is trying really hard to be serious, and supposedly the books have a lot of depth but, come on, some of the tropes in the show are so well worn. I'd rather just play Dragon Age.
Anyway, I gave it two episodes and it failed to interest me, so I won't bother you guys anymore.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11
Okay, this is not book or future book question like the guidelines set in the other thread. 
Does anyone know the name of the actress who was teaching Danys how to sexually dominate Khal Drogo? I thought she was kind of hot.
Does anyone know the name of the actress who was teaching Danys how to sexually dominate Khal Drogo? I thought she was kind of hot.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11
Some exposition from the books that are not spoilers - Some nobles with too many children and not enough to inherit end up at the Wall. It wasnt made clear in the pilot but the commander killed in the opening was just that- the 4th son of a minor noble with only the Wall or a wandering knight as an option
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Rewatching the episodes now just to reinforce my understanding of everyone and their relationships. I daresay it's better the second time.