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Old 04-26-11 | 10:26 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11

Originally Posted by CRM114
Why was the little girl with Ned and not with the mother? If the kids went, why not the mother? Wow, I'm a bit more confused than before.
Again this was way better explained in the book though I forget the exact reasons, so sorry for being of no help.

The arrangements of who was going and who was staying were made before Bran's fall.
Old 04-26-11 | 10:26 AM
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Why was the little girl with Ned and not with the mother? If the kids went, why not the mother? Wow, I'm a bit more confused than before.
The mother stayed with Bran(?) in a coma, that made sense. I just wasn't aware the rest of the family went with Ned, but if it's a proper ceremony they're going to, it makes sense.
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- Why did Ned bring his youngest daughter along on this trip? The older one, sure, she's being wed to the Snotty Prince, but it seems odd to bring the younger one along (while apparently leaving his various sons at home). Didn't he already know that there's something amiss with the (pardon the spelling) Lanisters?
In hopes that she would learn some manners at a southron court.

Bran was supposed to go too but the fall made that impossible.

- Why does the blonde guy think that by marrying his sister off to the barbarian horde that they'd be willing to fight for his cause? Sure, the barbarian leader is said to command a HUGE amount of people, but I still don't quite see why he'd suddenly be willing to attack what has to be a rather formidable force just because this one guy gave him his sister.
Because that is the deal they made. The Dothraki live to conquer other civilizations.

Again, sorry about the lack of names here. I'm especially lost when it comes to the names of the various people in the Horse Barbarians plotline. I know Dothraki (sp, I'm sure) is one of them, but I don't know if that's one of the blond people, the country they're from, the horse barbarians, or the name of their leader.
I'll post this again for you and anyone else having trouble remembering names and associations.

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content...eros-101-f.jpg

Better learn fast because you're about to have 12 or 13 new characters thrown at you next episode.
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That's something else that's kind of missing here. Everything seems small and sparse. You don't see bustling towns (or at least you don't get a sense of scale).
That is because the North is sparse
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This is where they aren't doing a great job explaining things as well as in the book. That next sequence they weren't back at Winterfell. Throughout their journey South they stop and make camp or stop at Inns. If I'm remembering correctly that scene took place along the Kingsroad at an Inn they stopped at to rest. The timing and location should make sense in the next episode. I think if they didn't stop the story between these two episodes it would have made better sense.
I think they just needed to have a goodbye scene. Ned hugs wife, yada yada yada. Then we know he's left and who he has taken with him.
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The mother stayed with Bran(?) in a coma, that made sense. I just wasn't aware the rest of the family went with Ned, but if it's a proper ceremony they're going to, it makes sense.
This makes sense. But in the first episode, the wife makes a big deal of Ned leaving her to go work for the king. If everyone was going (before Bran's fall) why was she not?
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11

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I think they just needed to have a goodbye scene. Ned hugs wife, yada yada yada. Then we know he's left and who he has taken with him.
The whole first part of the episode was one big goodbye scene.
Old 04-26-11 | 10:31 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11

The King & Ned talk about being on the road for a month and continuing on just the 2 of them. The whole traveling party is making travel slower than a few men on horseback would be. When Ned heard Ayra was found he said lets head back to the Inn, where the king is staying the night.

I was guilty of being preoccupied the first time I watch the first episode and missed some simple stuff, this is definately a series you need to watch with your full attentiion.
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I think they just needed to have a goodbye scene. Ned hugs wife, yada yada yada. Then we know he's left and who he has taken with him.
I agree that would have cleared a lot up. Luckily I'm reading the book for the first time now and am ahead enough that I can watch the episodes as they air. I keep thinking that had I not been doing this I would be crazily lost at points.
Old 04-26-11 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by sven
The whole first part of the episode was one big goodbye scene.
Evidently, not a very clear one.
Old 04-26-11 | 10:35 AM
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Why would Ned take his tomboy daughter to live with her sister, that is betriothed to the prince, in the King's court instead of her staying in their backwoods kingdom with her brothers?
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Originally Posted by xVladx
And speaking of the wolves, the time jump in this episode threw me quite a bit. Given the events of the first episode and the scene where the dwarf guy was slapping around the Snotty Prince (with the whole "your lack of condolences has already been noticed" thing) I figured that a few days had passed, and that the wolves that we were seeing were ones other than the pups from the first epsisode, but then we see these seemingly full-grown wolves as pets of the various children and their mother mentions that a month has passed, leaving me wondering just how fast those wolves grow...
As has been mentioned in the show, the wolves grow fast. Also it has been at Bran had been in the coma or what not.

- Why did Ned bring his youngest daughter along on this trip? The older one, sure, she's being wed to the Snotty Prince, but it seems odd to bring the younger one along (while apparently leaving his various sons at home). Didn't he already know that there's something amiss with the (pardon the spelling) Lanisters?
This is one of those things that was not really made clear in the episode or the books (Or my memory is just jogged), they never really made it clear why Arya had to go I don't think, some thoughts on the reasonings I've read are
Spoiler:
That they want arya to learn the lady ways and to find a husband


On the sons
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Robb stays because there always has to be a stark at winterfell, Rickon is too young, and Bran stays because he was injured


- Why does the blonde guy think that by marrying his sister off to the barbarian horde that they'd be willing to fight for his cause? Sure, the barbarian leader is said to command a HUGE amount of people, but I still don't quite see why he'd suddenly be willing to attack what has to be a rather formidable force just because this one guy gave him his sister.
This wasn't really addressed in the show or the book, if it was in the book up to this point (first 200 pages?), then I missed it. (Editted: As been pointed out, it was a contract, doh!)

Again, sorry about the lack of names here. I'm especially lost when it comes to the names of the various people in the Horse Barbarians plotline. I know Dothraki (sp, I'm sure) is one of them, but I don't know if that's one of the blond people, the country they're from, the horse barbarians, or the name of their leader.
Dothraki is the horse people
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11

Originally Posted by starman9000
Question for the book readers:

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Not sure if it's a spoiler, but did Cat find Cersei's hair in the book? I don't remember that scene.
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No she did not go all CSI in the book


And my own question

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Was it made clear in the book that she had her huddle in the godswood?
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Originally Posted by CRM114
This makes sense. But in the first episode, the wife makes a big deal of Ned leaving her to go work for the king. If everyone was going (before Bran's fall) why was she not?
Ned is the Warden of the North and the Lord of Winterfell. He's basically the governor of the region (which is HUGE if you look at the map). If Ned is leaving for Kings Landing, someone will need to stay up north to govern the land/people there. The eldest son, Robb, had to stay up north to learn how to be a lord, and Cat had to stay to rule until he's ready. It was determined that the youngest son, Rikkon, was too small to leave his mother, so he stayed as well. The other three kids were supposed to go to Kings Landing with their father to appear at court and to learn how to be nobility. Bran's fall meant he had to stay in Winterfell as well.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11

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Why was the little girl with Ned and not with the mother? If the kids went, why not the mother? Wow, I'm a bit more confused than before.
So she can run things in winterfell along with Robb
Old 04-26-11 | 10:41 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11

Originally Posted by CRM114
I think they just needed to have a goodbye scene. Ned hugs wife, yada yada yada. Then we know he's left and who he has taken with him.
wife was too busy being at Bran's side. The only one they really made apparent leaving was Jon (Goodbyes to Robb and Arya)
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11

And Jon's only their half-brother. He seems like an A-OK dude to me.
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Originally Posted by pinata242
And Jon's only their half-brother. He seems like an A-OK dude to me.
even though just a half brother, Jon has a deep bond with the Stark children..especially with Arya, Bran and Robb
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Originally Posted by superdeluxe
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Was it made clear in the book that she had her huddle in the godswood?

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It took place in whatever room she slept in after the attack.
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Originally Posted by sven
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It took place in whatever room she slept in after the attack.
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Yeah, that was right..and there was no CSI going on either..because she got attacked..and everyone came to the room.
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Originally Posted by superdeluxe
This wasn't really addressed in the show or the book, if it was in the book up to this point (first 200 pages?), then I missed it.
I've taken it as a custom of the times. The brother needs an army to take the throne and Drago is willing to give him the armies in exchange for his sister as his bride.
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I've taken it as a custom of the times. The brother needs an army to take the throne and Drago is willing to give him the armies in exchange for his sister as his bride.
yeah I figured that..it was a arranged marriage.
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I liked the second episode better as well. I paused the Tivo at one point to see how much show was left and was bummed that I was in the final 10 minutes.

Anyway, here is another basic question of something I evidently missed. I was under the impression that the King came to take Ned back with him to wherever his kingdom is. It was mentioned that the King traveled months to get there and that Ned's wife was totally bummed that he was going to leave her. Yet here we are in the second episode and everyone is still at Ned's place and it's assumedly months later considering the growth of the wolves. Am I right?
More like a month or so. There have been lines about how fast the wolves grow. They aren't full sized yet as they are direwolves, and apparently they grow faster.

-I find the midget extremely annoying. I really hope his role is not that significant.
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He's my favorite fictional character of all-time and I think the casting of Dinklage has been awesome. He plays a very significant role, so hopefully he grows on you.

-People are referring to the Maester and a chain. Wha?
The old dude with the Starks who brings them messages and advice is a Maester. From a wiki-

The maesters are scholars, scientists, learned advisors to the nobility, and occasionally pseudo-religious researchers in the occult. Males of any age may begin training as a maester; females are not permitted to study or join the order. Noble families in Westeros sometimes send their younger sons to the Citadel. The maesters, like the brothers of the Night's Watch, are considered to be servants of Westeros and all its people and in theory have no political allegiance. After finishing his course of study, a maester is assigned to a castle, keep or other holding, and is loyal to the people of that place as a mentor, healer and advisor, regardless of changes in control of that holding. To this end a man who earns his chain is stripped of his family name and from that time on is known only by his title and first name. In practice some maesters hold over old allegiances and loyalties.

The collar signifies that maesters do not serve themselves, but are instead servants of all of Westeros. The collar consists of several links of different types of metal. These chains are formed from every metal known to man, but almost no maester will ever wear them all. Maesters do not remove the chain ever, not even when sleeping.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Kingsroad" -- 4/24/11

By Season 2 I have the wolves will have to be CGI
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Originally Posted by pinata242
Ok, that wasn't clear to me at all. It sure looked like a permanent structure, not a temporary camp. I was not aware all the kids were riding with Ned. I should pay more attention.
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There was a brief mention of it being an inn. It's the crossroad's inn I believe, a well traveled place because it's at a crossroads of the Kingsroad and another major road. It's at a different location in the book but didn't really matter where it was so they simplified it to not add unneeded locations.


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