Does anyone have a screencap of the notebook from last nights episode. I was able to read the imaginary timeline stuff, but there's a few other things written on there.

Also - anyone recall what Penny's last name was in the ALT timeline? It wasn't Widmore.

I think it was Milton.

One of the theories for Lost has always been Hurley or someone is in a mental institute and has multiple personalities playing out a fantasy in his/her head. One thing i noticed from last night was Charlies song "You are everbody' Never realized the signifigamce of that lyric until last night. May be more than just a song.

Don't think about it too much because the song is called "You All Everybody." Kind of Spinal-tap esque in not making much sense!


From Lostpedia:

"You all everybody, acting like these stupid people wearing expensive clothes" comes from an inside joke amongst several of the writers. Apparently, a woman said this on The Phil Donahue Show and it stuck with them because it was funny. The whole story can be heard in the Lost Season 1 DVD Extras under Backstage with Drive Shaft. Originally (according to the same featured extra above), Dominic Monaghan sang the tune in a falsetto voice inspired by Prince's song "If I Was Your Girlfriend".

It was the same thing as this from season 4

http://www.storymindmedia.com/angrya...journal_6a.jpg

Anyone notice the picture of the scales in Widmore's office in LA?



http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/ima...dbece5f037586d

My guess is the creators of Lost have seen St. Elsewhere and won't go that route.

Speaking of which, does Lost have any connection to the Tommy Westphall universe?

Great theory, and I don't think has any spoiler:

http://forum.lostpedia.com/showpost....58&postcount=1


I didn't ready the replies though, so be careful.

Penny Milton -- can't be a coincidence. John Milton is most famous for writing "Paradise Lost" (not to mention "Paradise Regained").

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displa...-1542-276.html

yep, Milton

when the dude was going over the guest list and Desmond walked by he heard:

"Milton, Penny solo..." guess she's single

then Desmond was like "Did you say Penny? ..Do you mind if i take a look at..."

then Eloise fillibustered.

No, that's Penny Milton-Solo. She's married...

You're blowing my mind, man. Great post there.

Very strongly agree! Hoping to see an awesome return of his character...

Desmond episodes always deliver and this one continued the trend. Seems clear now that the bomb going off split the timeline and that's what caused the island to sink in the alt timeline and thus Desmond to not be in the hatch failing to enter the numbers thus causing 815 to crash. Was probably clear to some of the more hardcore fans before but it finally was nicely explained for the more casual fan like myself last night.

LOL I just said to those I was viewing it with last night that I have no idea what's happening, but it sure is entertaining to watch.

Yea, I mentioned it a few pages back. Interesting changes from the Dharma-like paintings he had before. Probably nothing more than the writer's screwing with us.

I think it is telling about what the Alt timeline is .. look at how the black and white are in balance.

In the Alt Timeline, Greedo Shot First.

I have been chewing a lot on this episode and rethinking some of my previous theories. There are elements of my previous theory that are just flat out wrong and some that I think may be right, in part, but perhaps not a prefect perspective of things.

I have thought all along that the "sideways timeline" was the MIB's influence/promise fulfilled of what the lives of the people on the island would be like if Jacob hadn't been involved in their lives. I suspected something would happen to unravel it all. I guessed on the who and how and it appears Desmond is one of the main factors in the who and how.

What I find intriguing is I think we are seeing a set up of Widmore Vs. Widmore...husband vs. wife. One wants to get the island time line back on track and one wants to maintain the reset/islandless timeline. It is fun to speculate on how this will be accomplished and what the outcome will be. The main reason I believed all along the alt timeline will win out is because the creators told us the story lines of all the characters would be wrapped up, and I think we will see them wrapped up in the alt time line.

I am prepared to be completely wrong...the creators of the show obviously could have a different way of wrapping up all the character arcs that I may not agree with. So I am preparing myself for anything.

Oh, by the way...I've been loving this season so far!

Then I think that

possible spoiler...

I've been thinking that all along and the first thought I had after seeing this episode was that it seemed to be moving a long in that direction.

The thing that I am trying to wrap my head around is when did the bomb go off? I think it's clear it did go off when Juliet hit it. What confused me was when Daniel told Desmond that he thinks he was the reason the bomb went off and that created the alt time line... I am just not so sold on the bomb going off and creating two time lines sort of thing. But we have seen the electromagnetic energy responsible for sending Desmond's mind back in time after the hatch imploded so maybe something like that happened with everybody after the Incident.

I still am leaning towards the alt time line being the result of the bomb NOT going off. I understand where the thought comes from that argues that both timelines resulted from the bomb going off. But we were told we would see what would happen if the bomb went off and what would happen if it didn't at the beginning of the season, so that's why I am sticking with that. I don't think the musician Daniel is comprehending the consequences of his actions. He thinks he's going to find a way to cause the bomb to not go off to stop the alt time line, but I think he's going to find the bomb not going off creates the alt time line and it creates some kind of time paradox thing similar to the way the time paradox was created when the Losties were responsible for the Incident which led to their eventual crash on the island.

Which makes me wonder about Widmore vs. Widmore... Why does Eloise want to protect this alt time line now? Or is she using reverse psychology on Desmond knowing that he will pursue Penny and unravel the alt time line? Is Charles trying to maintain the alt time line and is also misleading people?

Charlie Hume wouldn't be born, but there was a sacrifice required of people who were sworn to lead and protect the island (Charles losing his son, Ben losing his adopted daughter) so that would be a sacrifice that would be required if the time line is preserved.

And Jin shooting blanks...could that be some how some influence of Jacob's?

I just finished watching this episode and I'm convinced the Mrs. Widmore and George are Jacob and the MiB in the flash sideways universe.

hell you might be on to something...

something about minkowski was kinda creepy and bugging the hell outa me

also i got this vibe from Eloise, why/how is she aware of this "better life" she referenced when talking to Desmond

gotdamn you people and your theories

The following will, more than likely, repeat things that have already been mentioned. And, it may not come across as very eloquent, but such is the nature of time travel and sideways universe travel.

Apparently, the bomb went off in 1977, causing the ALT reality to come into existence. At this point, it created an entirely new bubble universe, starting at the beginning of time (as elements of the ALT reality are different pre-1977). It is not, however, clear as to whether or not this caused the island to sink (although, seeing as Ben and his father were on the island, I would say this is a safe assumption to make).

Now, what happened in this episode is that the Desmond from the OT (Desmond A) fell unconscious, and his consciousness leapt into the body of ALT Desmond (Desmond B). At this point, both consciousnesses were existing in Desmond B at the same time, which Desmond A's consciousness bleeding into B's (long looks in the mirror, etc.). Upon seeing Penny, more bleeding occurred. At this point, he regained consciousness in the OT. However, the minds had swapped, and Desmond A's mind was now in B's body, and vice versa.

Obviously, the consciousnesses are bleeding into one another. However, I believe this is occurring upon losing consciousness in the OT. This happened to Sun when she fell down after being chased by the NotLocke. Her consciousness jumped into Sun B, and, after coming to, not all of her came back (thus explaining her inability to speak English).

With death, however, the consciousness becomes permanently stuck in the body of the ALT counterpart. I feel this only applies to people who have died on the island (which is why Locke B does not have the same bleeding that other are experiencing, as Locke A died off island). However, those who have come into contact with their "true love," so to speak, begin to experience heavy bleeding from the A consciousness. Charlie saw Claire, and realized something was wrong. Faraday saw Charlotte, same thing. It seems that the ALT reality is, as others have mentioned, a bit hollow. No one is truly "happy." They are not unhappy, as it were, but merely unsatisfied because their destiny lies elsewhere.

I feel that, in one of the future episodes

The previous has been a bit rambling, and, perhaps, incoherent at times. But I am rather tired, and do not feel like attempting to create something that would resemble rational thought. Dissect. Pokes holes in. Tear it asunder. It is probably wrong, and, given the disjointed nature in which I have posted, possibly not entirely transcribed.