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Old 04-07-10 | 09:35 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

A lot of these theories sound great and make various levels of sense, but the big question is how the hell are the writers/producers/etc... going to make any of these explanations palatable to a general audience? There has to be a reasonably simple answer that can be understood at a baseline level, and then probably a second (third, fourth, ...ninety-sixth) level that can be dissected by the hardcores.

I'm not saying I have any idea what the simple answer could be, but I'd be shocked if the network (or anybody really) would allow an answer that requires complex math and understanding.
Old 04-07-10 | 09:41 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by BravesMG
A lot of these theories sound great and make various levels of sense, but the big question is how the hell are the writers/producers/etc... going to make any of these explanations palatable to a general audience? There has to be a reasonably simple answer that can be understood at a baseline level, and then probably a second (third, fourth, ...ninety-sixth) level that can be dissected by the hardcores.

I'm not saying I have any idea what the simple answer could be, but I'd be shocked if the network (or anybody really) would allow an answer that requires complex math and understanding.
I totally agree. This last episode gave us a glimpse that this alternate reality is a reality where people get what they think they want...but some are discovering what they think they want doesn't give them the fulfillment true love (found on the island) does.

To me, that is palatable, but I agree that many of these "deep theories"--such as the last few listed here--are quite good, but will need to be broken down for casual viewers like a large part of the audience are (ie those of us who have seen every episode, but only once, during the main broadcast).

BTW, that theory of Desmond A and B really makes a lot of sense and breaks it down nicely, invisiblegt.
Old 04-08-10 | 06:34 AM
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Smokey is a time traveling Terminator and they are in the Matrix. Done!
Old 04-08-10 | 07:36 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

I finally placed that woman working for Widmore. She was on L.A. Law where she played a hot secretary who was going to law school part-time: Sheila Kelly I think is her name. God that had been aggravating me.
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Originally Posted by invisiblegt
With death, however, the consciousness becomes permanently stuck in the body of the ALT counterpart. I feel this only applies to people who have died on the island (which is why Locke B does not have the same bleeding that other are experiencing, as Locke A died off island).
Really interesting theory. So are you saying since Sayid died, most of his consciousness (i.e. his emotions) stayed in the Alternate Timeline?
Old 04-08-10 | 10:10 AM
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^ I don't know about Sayid, but it's pretty obvious that the people who died on the island timeline are "more aware" than the others in the Alt

the fact that Charlie/Daniel were the ones that assisted Desmond in becoming aware of the different realities shows that

they can confirm this, if Charlotte or maybe a dead islander from the plane starts acting like Charlie/Daniel on there own before Desmond goes to em one by one

like i said earlier Desmond will probably go visit Jack first to pick his brain since he knows that he is at the hospital. But don't know how the visit to Jack will go though considering he is a stubborn ass most of the time
Old 04-08-10 | 10:24 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by Red Dog
I finally placed that woman working for Widmore. She was on L.A. Law where she played a hot secretary who was going to law school part-time: Sheila Kelly I think is her name. God that had been aggravating me.
Let me introduce you to a nifty little site called IMDb.com
Old 04-08-10 | 10:31 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by Red Dog
I finally placed that woman working for Widmore. She was on L.A. Law where she played a hot secretary who was going to law school part-time: Sheila Kelly I think is her name. God that had been aggravating me.
THANK YOU!

That was bothering me as well.
Old 04-08-10 | 10:33 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

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I think the dude wanted the satisfaction of recalling the person on his own. I've done that before as well.
Old 04-08-10 | 10:37 AM
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I wonder if Minkowski had found a constant if he would have had the same power as Desmond in jumping between universes.

This episode was awesome....not a lot of answers, but at least we get the mind-blowing reveal that it's not just that they are POSSIBLY aware of the other timeline, but one, for sure, is. I wonder if Desmond received his knowledge because he touched his constant?

The two timelines have to merge somehow....one cannot simply cease to exist. If the OT ceases, then there is no Charlie Hume and no Ji-Yeon or however the fuck that name is spelled. If the NC ceases, then there is no child for Jack or Dogan and everyone who died stays dead, including Locke, which most people, like myself, would not like one bit.

Somehow we have to be able to reconcile both. Don't ask me how.



I know you're mentally retarded and all, and I'm gonna let you finish, but Lost will be one of the most mind-blowing finales of ALL TIME!
Old 04-08-10 | 10:49 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by Gunde
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I would have had to known her character name for that. I have a hard time enough as it is following this show. Plus I was too lazy for imdb. Plus what Pennypacker said.
Old 04-08-10 | 11:06 AM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

She's also Richard Schiff's wife, if anybody cares.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Based on the conversation between Daniel and Desmond, the ALT timeline is perhaps giving everyone what they wanted most. What I want to know is, is who is part of the group who gets this "gift?" Was it part of a deal made with Jacob/Mib/the island or something else? Are the people who died in the original timeline included with this gift/deal, too?

I decided to create a list of what I think everyone wanted and what they ultimately obtained in the ALT timeline:

Desmond: A good relationship with Mr Widmore - has it, but without Penny.
Claire: Wanted her son - she has him, not giving him up for adoption.
Hurley: Wanted to no longer be unlucky - he has lots of good luck now.
Eloise: Wanted her son back - she has him and taught him music to keep him away from the science world.
Ben: Wanted Alex back - got her, but in a teacher-student relationship instead.
Sayid: Wanted Nadia back - got her, but she is with someone else.
Dogen (dead? in OT): Wanted his son back - we saw him with his son at the recital.
Sawyer: Wanted justice for his parents - now a cop searching for the con man that led his parents to their deaths.
Daniel: Wanted Charlotte back - Charlotte is alive, he saw her.
Sun: wants a loving relationship with Jin - has it, but they are not married and no child.
Jin: wants a loving relationship with Sun - but still works for her father who dissapproves of the relationship.


These are not so clear to me....
Jack: Did he want a family? He now has a son in the ALT timeline.
Kate: What did she want? - still appears to be a felon.
Charlie (dead in OT): Wanted to have a life with Claire? - still a work in progress?
Locke (dead in OT): Did he want to marry Helen? - he married Helen, but still in a wheelchair.

Am I missing others? Who else got the same deal? Who above is NOT part of the deal?
Old 04-08-10 | 01:13 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Locke could have wanted a good relationship with his father.
Old 04-08-10 | 01:36 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Anyone notice the picture of the scales in Widmore's office in LA?




http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/ima...dbece5f037586d
I swear we had seen that scale painting in previous seasons too.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by Robertwoj
Based on the conversation between Daniel and Desmond, the ALT timeline is perhaps giving everyone what they wanted most. What I want to know is, is who is part of the group who gets this "gift?" Was it part of a deal made with Jacob/Mib/the island or something else? Are the people who died in the original timeline included with this gift/deal, too?

I decided to create a list of what I think everyone wanted and what they ultimately obtained in the ALT timeline:

Desmond: A good relationship with Mr Widmore - has it, but without Penny.
Claire: Wanted her son - she has him, not giving him up for adoption.
Hurley: Wanted to no longer be unlucky - he has lots of good luck now.
Eloise: Wanted her son back - she has him and taught him music to keep him away from the science world.
Ben: Wanted Alex back - got her, but in a teacher-student relationship instead.
Sayid: Wanted Nadia back - got her, but she is with someone else.
Dogen (dead? in OT): Wanted his son back - we saw him with his son at the recital.
Sawyer: Wanted justice for his parents - now a cop searching for the con man that led his parents to their deaths.
Daniel: Wanted Charlotte back - Charlotte is alive, he saw her.
Sun: wants a loving relationship with Jin - has it, but they are not married and no child.
Jin: wants a loving relationship with Sun - but still works for her father who dissapproves of the relationship.


These are not so clear to me....
Jack: Did he want a family? He now has a son in the ALT timeline.
Kate: What did she want? - still appears to be a felon.
Charlie (dead in OT): Wanted to have a life with Claire? - still a work in progress?
Locke (dead in OT): Did he want to marry Helen? - he married Helen, but still in a wheelchair.

Am I missing others? Who else got the same deal? Who above is NOT part of the deal?
Danielle got to raise Alex. Alex got to know her mother.

Miles has a good relationship with his father.

Locke seems to have a better relationship with his father.

Kate was "born to run."

Daniel wanted to be a musician, and not a physicist.

Charles Widmore has his family (that he had to sacrifice for the sake of the island).
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by Liver&Onions
I swear we had seen that scale painting in previous seasons too.
I remember that there have been pictures in Widmore's office that said "Namaste", but I don't remember the scale. I am not saying you are wrong though.
Old 04-08-10 | 02:43 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by Robertwoj
Based on the conversation between Daniel and Desmond, the ALT timeline is perhaps giving everyone what they wanted most.
But it seems to be a "monkey's paw" situation. For example, Desmond receives approval from Charles Widmore. But it's meaningless because he doesn't have Penny.

I think I've finally figured it out: Jacob is a leprechaun.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Just watched this last night. Holy crap....amazing! As soon as the car went into the water, I thought of Charlie dying on the island and flipped out a bit.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by BravesMG
A lot of these theories sound great and make various levels of sense, but the big question is how the hell are the writers/producers/etc... going to make any of these explanations palatable to a general audience? There has to be a reasonably simple answer that can be understood at a baseline level, and then probably a second (third, fourth, ...ninety-sixth) level that can be dissected by the hardcores.

I'm not saying I have any idea what the simple answer could be, but I'd be shocked if the network (or anybody really) would allow an answer that requires complex math and understanding.
This.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

No one picked up Widmore's assistant by knowing her from Singles? "Come to Debbie country"!
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

I'm guessing Kate did something else to wind up her situation. Didn't her mom hate her for what she did? Perhaps she has a better relationship with mom now.
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Yeah, maybe in the flash sideways her mom is happy she killed the boyfriend(or was it husband?).
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by kaze0
I'm guessing Kate did something else to wind up her situation.
At first I thought you were referring to her diminished part on this seasons show! Did she get a DUI or something?
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Re: Lost -- "Happily Ever After" -- 04.06.10

Originally Posted by bunkaroo
No one picked up Widmore's assistant by knowing her from Singles? "Come to Debbie country"!
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