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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by Chew
(Post 9966372)
Way to aim high, NBC!
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by Count Dooku
(Post 9965412)
Why don't you find any value in the idea of people honoring their agreements?
You keep insulting Conan O'Brien, calling him spoiled and a bitch, but the one thing Conan HAS NOT DONE is make a promise and then break it. What you don't or won't understand is that (part of) the reason so many people here at DVD TALK, and in show business, are against Jay Leno is that he is a double-crosser. Leno makes deals and promises, and then he goes back on his word. It's as simple as that. Fans are fans, but that's why people in the industry lined up on Conan's side. They saw Jay Leno for what he is: a lying double-crosser. Like in sports if you sign a manager to a contract he's fired before the contract is up. Why? Because the team is doing bad. But that isn't always so like here in Chicago the Bears Lovie Smith has 2 years to go on his contract. The Bears don't fire him because they want to honor the contract. They don't want to pay him 2 years and pay another coach 2 years. The Cubs have a Gm who also has a few years left on his contract even though this Gm has spent a lot of money and not gotten his team to the World Series. The new owners don't fire him because they don't want to pay him and have to pay the guy to replace him. Now the Yankees and Lakers and some other sports teams don't care and will fire you and not wait for your contract to expire if you suck at your job. NBC saw the ratings numbers and Conan sucked. Who here would have waited it out with Conan or bring back Jay who left with great numbers? It's like President Obama now has to decide do I continue with with my Left-wing agenda after what happened in Mass. last week or move to the center? Think!!-ohbfrank- |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by wm lopez
(Post 9966486)
It's a matter of money and that's not the way a buiz is run.
Like in sports if you sign a manager to a contract he's fired before the contract is up. Why? Because the team is doing bad. But that isn't always so like here in Chicago the Bears Lovie Smith has 2 years to go on his contract. The Bears don't fire him because they want to honor the contract. They don't want to pay him 2 years and pay another coach 2 years. The Cubs have a Gm who also has a few years left on his contract even though this Gm has spent a lot of money and not gotten his team to the World Series. The new owners don't fire him because they don't want to pay him and have to pay the guy to replace him. Now the Yankees and Lakers and some other sports teams don't care and will fire you and not wait for your contract to expire if you suck at your job. NBC saw the ratings numbers and Conan sucked. Who here would have waited it out with Conan or bring back Jay who left with great numbers? It's like President Obama now has to decide do I continue with with my Left-wing agenda after what happened in Mass. last week or move to the center? Think!!-ohbfrank- |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by RoyalTea
(Post 9966504)
jesus titty fucking christ. This was not about Conan doing bad.
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by wm lopez
(Post 9966486)
It's like President Obama now has to decide do I continue with with my Left-wing agenda after what happened in Mass. last week or move to the center? Think!!-ohbfrank-
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
USA was the most watched cable network of '09 (now for 4 years running, ratings up 14% in '09) with the following Nielsen Live+7 ratings:
In Plain Sight - avg 5m viewers Psych - avg 5.21m viewers White Collar - avg 5.68m viewers Burn Notice - avg 7.19m viewers Royal Pains - avg 7.47m viewers Monk - unsure, but the series finale drew 9.21m viewers Link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...9375db0aaf5e40 So how did NBC Universal get USA so right and NBC so wrong? |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by RichC2
(Post 9966630)
So how did NBC Universal get USA so right and NBC so wrong? |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by grip
(Post 9966203)
Look at the list. Letterman, Leno, Degeneres, Charlie Sheen, Jon Stewart, O'Reilly and Beck... people really like to laugh in these tough times. |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
To promote Jay Leno’s appearance on The Oprah Winfrey Show tomorrow, Harpo Productions released a short transcript from the interview that was taped yesterday on the set of the comedian’s cancelled primetime show. There’s nothing extraordinary about this particular exchange – Leno typically keeps his feelings to himself during most interviews — but apparently, he goes on to address his decision to return to The Tonight Show and the public reaction to the negotiations, which is obviously being reserved for tomorrow’s broadcast. Here’s an excerpt from the interview: Winfrey Have you talked to Conan in person? Leno I haven’t talked to him through all this. No. I haven’t. Winfrey Did you want to pick up the phone? Leno Yeah, but it didn’t seem appropriate. Winfrey Why? Leno I don’t know. I think it — let things cool down and maybe we’ll talk, you know. Winfrey Were any of the things that he said about you hurtful? Leno No. They were jokes. And that’s okay. I mean – Winfrey So jokes don’t hurt you. Leno It’s what we do, you know? You can’t — it’s like being a fighter and say when you got punched in the head, did it hurt? Well, yeah. But you’re a fighter. That’s what you do. |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by RichC2
(Post 9966630)
USA was the most watched cable network of '09 (now for 4 years running, ratings up 14% in '09) with the following Nielsen Live+7 ratings:
In Plain Sight - avg 5m viewers Psych - avg 5.21m viewers White Collar - avg 5.68m viewers Burn Notice - avg 7.19m viewers Royal Pains - avg 7.47m viewers Monk - unsure, but the series finale drew 9.21m viewers Link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...9375db0aaf5e40 So how did NBC Universal get USA so right and NBC so wrong? The major shows that NBC has (30 Rock, The Office, etc.) appeal to a "hipper" audience, which means they get crappy ratings. Nielsen families like bland, harmless shows - this is why The Mentalist and American Idol get high ratings. They aren't bad shows, they are made appeal to a broad audience and don't take creative risks that cable shows like Damages and Breaking Bad do. It's the same with music and movies. The stuff that plays it safe is the stuff that rises to the top. |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by Aegean2007
(Post 9966865)
The major shows that NBC has (30 Rock, The Office, etc.) appeal to a "hipper" audience, which means they get crappy ratings. Nielsen families like bland, harmless shows - this is why The Mentalist and American Idol get high ratings. They aren't bad shows, they are made appeal to a broad audience and don't take creative risks that cable shows like Damages and Breaking Bad do. It's the same with music and movies. The stuff that plays it safe is the stuff that rises to the top.
And to think that after the Leno/Conan switch that NBC is tanking in the ratings because it somehow wants to keep hipper shows on and are purposely passing on mainstream hits is laughable |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by wm lopez
(Post 9966486)
It's a matter of money and that's not the way a buiz is run.
Like in sports if you sign a manager to a contract he's fired before the contract is up. Why? Because the team is doing bad. But that isn't always so like here in Chicago the Bears Lovie Smith has 2 years to go on his contract. The Bears don't fire him because they want to honor the contract. They don't want to pay him 2 years and pay another coach 2 years. The Cubs have a Gm who also has a few years left on his contract even though this Gm has spent a lot of money and not gotten his team to the World Series. The new owners don't fire him because they don't want to pay him and have to pay the guy to replace him. Now the Yankees and Lakers and some other sports teams don't care and will fire you and not wait for your contract to expire if you suck at your job. NBC saw the ratings numbers and Conan sucked. Who here would have waited it out with Conan or bring back Jay who left with great numbers? It's like President Obama now has to decide do I continue with with my Left-wing agenda after what happened in Mass. last week or move to the center? Think!!-ohbfrank- |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by stingermck
(Post 9966837)
Winfrey Have you talked to Conan in person?
Leno I haven’t talked to him through all this. No. I haven’t. Winfrey Did you want to pick up the phone? Leno Yeah, but it didn’t seem appropriate. Winfrey Why? |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez
(Post 9966897)
And to think that after the Leno/Conan switch that NBC is tanking in the ratings because it somehow wants to keep hipper shows on and are purposely passing on mainstream hits is laughable
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Here's Oprah's promo for tomorrow's show with Jay Leno: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1ZeeQf25jQ
Looks good! (YouTube won't allow direct embedding on this one.) |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by freshticles
(Post 9966933)
Can someone please post a graph of Conan's ratings before the Leno Show destroyed them, and also explain to wm Lopez what a lead in is? It's seriously like trying to explain something to a brick wearing a shirt.
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by wm lopez
(Post 9966996)
And also post Jay's lead ins of NBC great shows that made him #1.
It's a miracle! |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by RoyalTea
(Post 9966504)
jesus titty fucking christ. This was not about Conan doing bad.
I can imagine you guys as parents you give little Tommy his toy even when bad. |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by freshticles
(Post 9966933)
It's seriously like trying to explain something to a brick wearing a shirt.
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by devilshalo
(Post 9966999)
So you are contending that a great lead in is what drove Leno's ratings? And the lack of one for Conan is the cause of his?
It's a miracle! Now Jay Leno had to against David Letterman who had a following many thought would lose. But the people watched Jay Leno. NBC has had bad shows for the last few years. Even Leno made fun of that back then. CBS always had better shows than NBC in the last few years. |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by wm lopez
(Post 9967002)
Oh yes it was about Conan hosting THE TONITE SHOW till he's 60 years old. No matter if the ratings were bad.
I can imagine you guys as parents you give little Tommy his toy even when bad. |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by wm lopez
(Post 9966996)
And also post Jay's lead ins of NBC great shows that made him #1.
Crossing Jordan, Third Watch, Medium Tuesdays Frasier, Law and Order SVU Wednesdays The West Wing, Law and Order Thursdays Seinfeld, Friends, ER Jay Leno became the host of the Tonight Show in 1992. In 1995, Jay Leno overtook Letterman as the #1 rated late night show. In 1995, NBC had the #1,2,3,4,8 most popular primetime shows In 1996, NBC had the #1,2,3,4,5,6,8 most popular primetime shows 1997: 1,2,3,4,8,10 1998: 1,2,3,5,6 It is especially worth noting that the entire time Jay Leno was #1, NBC had ER on Thursday nights at 10pm. FYI: ER was one of the most popular drama series in TV history, and Thursdays are the most important night for ratings in late night TV. |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by Count Dooku
(Post 9965412)
Why don't you find any value in the idea of people honoring their agreements?
You keep insulting Conan O'Brien, calling him spoiled and a bitch, but the one thing Conan HAS NOT DONE is make a promise and then break it. What you don't or won't understand is that (part of) the reason so many people here at DVD TALK, and in show business, are against Jay Leno is that he is a double-crosser. Leno makes deals and promises, and then he goes back on his word. It's as simple as that. Fans are fans, but that's why people in the industry lined up on Conan's side. They saw Jay Leno for what he is: a lying double-crosser.
Originally Posted by wm lopez
(Post 9966486)
It's a matter of money and that's not the way a buiz is run.
Like in sports if you sign a manager to a contract he's fired before the contract is up. Why? Because the team is doing bad. But that isn't always so like here in Chicago the Bears Lovie Smith has 2 years to go on his contract. The Bears don't fire him because they want to honor the contract. They don't want to pay him 2 years and pay another coach 2 years. The Cubs have a Gm who also has a few years left on his contract even though this Gm has spent a lot of money and not gotten his team to the World Series. The new owners don't fire him because they don't want to pay him and have to pay the guy to replace him. Now the Yankees and Lakers and some other sports teams don't care and will fire you and not wait for your contract to expire if you suck at your job. NBC saw the ratings numbers and Conan sucked. Who here would have waited it out with Conan or bring back Jay who left with great numbers? It's like President Obama now has to decide do I continue with with my Left-wing agenda after what happened in Mass. last week or move to the center? Think!!-ohbfrank- I asked you about PEOPLE not the corporation NBC. If you want to answer my question, you have to defend Jay Leno's lying and double-crossing. And please leave Obama out of it. |
Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
Originally Posted by devilshalo
(Post 9966964)
Leno When you rape someone, you don't usually call afterwards to ask if they're ok.
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Re: NBC: let's see how low we can go (Conan thread, part 2)
http://www.hornymanatee.com/ has not been taken down yet.
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