Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

I don't know if they named Titus Welliver's character other than "Man #2" yet, but I am assigning him the name Esau (as are many others), the biblical brother of Jacob. One good, one bad, one black, one white (clothing wise), one jealous, one loving, etc. The parallels are all there.

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

From the Fuselage:

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Looked like a croc to me.

No. You distinctly insulted an entire religious sect of the world by saying the following:

That has nothing to do with the show, it's a personal opinion that doesn't fit with a lot of people's beliefs. Personally, I don't care, it's just an opinion, but I can see how someone could be offended by it.

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Just curious: Why do you all think Jack's plan was crazy. What's so wrong about wanting to fix things and get everything back to the way it was meant to be. Is it better to pretend to belong in the 70s?

IMO Sawyer was the crazy one. "We made a life here, it was good". You don't belong here you nimwit!

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Yeah, I would be glad to get out of Crazyville and live a normal life. At least they could get haircuts from time to time. I just think that Sawyer (James) felt a little too comfortable there and was caught up in admiring their hippiness.

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This episode has really left me underwhelmed. It didn't really progress or resolve anything and worse yet it didn't give any direction to look forward to next season. The real Locke is dead and apparently was just a patsy all along. Jacob is dead, but all I know about him is he lived in a cave and liked touching people so no big loss. The Losties may be dead/alive/in LA/still on the island/in the past/in the future from what may or may not have been the incident that they may or may not have caused themselves which amounted to all of just a bright flash.

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Makes sense, and what many of us have surmised here. However, as I alluded to before, this doesn't explain the Others.

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

How about this for the opening scene of season six. Paralleling Desmond in the season 3 opening, Juliet awakens, naked, in

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

I want to see more of Jack's backstory, like if he's ever had a girlfriend whose life he didn't save, because he's got less game than Bud Bundy. Kate's his if he wants her 5 minutes into the series, but he closes like Heathcliff Slocumb and now he turns into John Hinckley x infinity. Meanwhile Sawyer is trying to get to his bookie to get rich with the least crazy eligible bachelorette on the island which is what any normal guy should be trying to do if they find themselves in the 70s.

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It only offends someone who is so egotistical as to believe that their opinion on religion is the only one with any validation.

It is entirely possible that Jesus was based upon the god Horus. It is also entirely possible that he was precisely as presented in the Bible. It is also entirely possible that both Horus and Jesus exist, and that every religion on the planet that has ever been, and ever will be, is correct. There simply is no manner by which to determine the authentification of such.

It does not offend, unless you wish it to offend.

(And, if anything, Jesus would be based upon Thoth. Thoth was considered to be the voice of Ra, and had the ability to resurrect people from the dead. He even healed Horus, when he had been blinded by Set, by spitting in his eye; a feat similar to one conveyed in Mark 8:28. In it, Jesus spits on the eyes of a blind man, and restores his sight.)

And, as for the statue, it also seems quite similar to the image associated with that of Taweret, the Egyptian goddess of fertility (or, rather, childbirth). She is most commonly in the form of a hippo, and has a snout similar to that of a crocodile. She also has a rather flat head, much akin to that of the statue.

There are many facts which may present themselves as being either in favor of Sobek or Taweret, but until it is definitively specified on screen... Let the postulation continue.

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Which is only every devoutly religious person on the planet. :)

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Amen. An entire episode devoted to finding a fucking van in the jungle. Oy.

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I wonder how Walt and the other special kids are going to help in the fight of good vs. evil. That's going to be very intriguing and the one thing I look forward to seeing in season 6.

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more i think about it, the more i think the flash at the end is one final time travel

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What doesn't make much sense now is that Rose and Bernard lived in the cabin in the 70s but when it was discovered in the present time they make it seem like there was someone recently living there. We know that either Jacob or the Faux Jacob existed there in 2004 because Locke saw him there but Rose and Bernard would have lived there 30 years prior to that.

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That wasn't the cabin Rose and Bernard lived in. That was a hut they made.

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So who is she referring to when she said that someone had lived (been there) recently? Also, wouldn't the Faux Locke have been asking why they weren't heading towards the cabin on the trek since that is the only place that Locke had contact with who he thought Jacob was. Instead he is just trekking down the beach blindly following Richard. Wouldn't that seem somewhat suspicious that he isn't at least asking to go where he thought Jacob would be?

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

The theory is that Jacob's enemy was living in Jacob's cabin. And that when Locke visited "Jacob" in previous episodes, he was really visiting Jacob's enemy. Who, in turn, had been manipulating Locke all along.

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I guess it is also safe to assume that Charlie's guitar is in the case and not something else and that is what Hurley brought back to the island.

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That was the theory I posted. However, this doesn't explain why they wouldn't question Locke when he didn't ask to go back to the cabin instead of walking for miles on a beach to get to Jacob when he never would have known for Jacob to live there.

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You don't question a giant black smoke monster in disguise :(

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Ok, don't want to see more parallels than there are. But, but... with Stark Trek it's all about hitting the reset button and here in Lost we (they) are also hitting the reset button.

Now, I love Lost and I liked Star Trek.

But this will get OLD really fast...

As a matter of fact, i'm calling it old right fging now.

Good finale thought. ;-)

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Please no spoilers about Star Trek in the Lost thread. Some of us (like me) have never seen Star Trek yet and would appreciate it being unspoiled before I watch it.

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Has anyone thought about the title of the show having to do with Lost as in I won and you Lost? Since it seems like a game between two individuals sort of like Highlander maybe this is what it ultimately is referring to.

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They aren't Adam and Eve, it's just a name that Locke gave the bodies.

One thing I noticed in the opening was that Jacob was wearing white and his enemy was wearing black. In the episode where they discovered "Adam and Eve," Jack found stones with the bodies, one black stone & one white stone.

I very highly doubt that everything will be answered. They've already admitted that they're never going to revisit Libby.

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

If Jack resets everything, Locke never got to the island, therefore wouldn't Jacob have never been killed by zombie Locke?

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Just the conversation that me and a buddy had on the phone not even 5 minutes ago.

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If Jacob's nemesis is Locke and smokey, why was Locke surprised when Ben told him that his dead daughter told him to obey everything Locke says? Locke asked him "when did this happen" and "so you have to listen to everything I tell you to do"? Maybe smokey is Jacob. Jacob tells people what to do (as Christian telling Locke to turn the wheel, as Bens daughter telling Ben to obey Locke) but still leaving them to make a choice (at the end of the episode Jacob told Ben he has a choice whether or not to kill him)

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The thing I can't understand is how so many of you are still looking for a biblical solution to this? Jacob was making Egyptian tapestry. He was living in the base of an Egyptian statue, regardless of which god it represented. The temple underground covered in hieroglyphics. How can so many of you look at this and still see biblical? It is Egyptian, why else paint the picture this way?

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I don't think it's strictly Biblical or Egyptian. I think if it is pseudo-religious, they're going to freely mix their metaphors.

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why does it have to be about one or the other?

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

But if Jack reset everything, how would he have gotten on the island in the first place in order to leave the island and get back on the island, travel back in time, and reset everything?

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

I see it as Egyptian. But that doesn't mean there can't also be biblical allusions as well. Egyptian imagery may be the most prevalent imagery this season, but there's been plenty of Judeo-Christian imagery in the past. I think any good storytelling is going to pull from numerous sources. But if there's going to be a honest discussion about any of this, people can only pull from what they know and a lot of people know the biblical story and not as many people know the story of ancient Egyptian religion. Just imagine if there had been a great flood during the show... most people would say "Oh, that's like the flood of Noah." Others would say, "No, this is like the flood of Incan mythology" or the flood of Norse mythology. And so on

In addition, I've appreciated some of the input you've provided in terms of some of the Egyptian mythology. I never thought your correlation between Egyptian story and Biblical story to be offensive but I can understand how others might read into it as offensive.

The truth is, I don't think this is gonna be as easy as "all of this is from the bible" or "all of this is egyptian." I think the imagery we see on the island is all human construct that gives clues to the nature of the gods or demi-gods or whatever they are. We would all do better to go and read Joseph Campbell.

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because it is the way they wrote it. If it were a biblical issue, then we would be talking good vs. evil, God vs. Satan. Since it is Egyptian it is not held to a monotheistic viewpoint. It is neither good nor bad, simply two divine beings who use us as pawns in their game. How can Jacob be a good guy when he is the one called the black pearl to the island in order to start the game, a game it seems he has been starting forever?

This can not be God vs. Satan unless God too thought so little of people. This would not fit into the Christian ideas of God and the devil. God is the only all powerful being so if he really wanted to he could easily destroy the devil.

In this story however, we have two equally powerful beings and they can not, for an as yet unknown reason, kill each other. This is why I see no other way for this to go than this to be Horus vs. Seth(Set). They are the only two that seem to fit the profile, minus all that lettuce talk from earlier. :)

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so just because there are some egyptian themes no other possibilities are acceptable? seriously? that's very narrow minded. you've seen the shit the writers of this show have thrown at us. while you may end up being right, why would you limit the possibility of what is going on just because a few things make it seem that way?

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I just hope that next season they give us a bit more backstory on Jacob and his nemesis and not just leave it to our imaginations like they did with Libby.

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Narrow minded? Please, there have been hints toward the Egyptian ideas from early on. Anyone remember what showed up on the timer when they didn't punch in the numbers ontime? It wasn't Hebrew. The reason I can't see this being God and Satan is simple. Who would want to worship a God that treated them like pawns in a game? Jacob is not a good guy, he only differs from his enemy by certain attributes that we have already discussed, but he brings humans to the island to start the game over. He has his hands in many deaths on the island. So how would he fit in to Christianity? Also, as I have stated before, what we have seen of these two is that they are equals, but is Satan the equal to God?

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I would rofl if they leave a bunch of the story open ended and then show a preview for the first lost movie coming in 2011. :)

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He was actually quite good on the first season of Dexter.

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He was great at making you hate his character. That's why I'm not so sure if he really is the "good" guy in this show as the writers are always trying to throw us off.