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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
(Post 9351556)
I think it was pretty obvious that Ben hired the bounty hunter to bring in Sayid. Just because she didn't know who Ben was, really doesn't mean anything.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by Jimmy James
(Post 9351591)
We would still have an apparent paradox, as Ethan survived to be killed by our heroes.
The producers would have also seriously cheated us that way, so I hope that's not the way they have gone. This would have meant that they actually showed us Ethan flashbacks during Ben episodes to mislead us. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by dsa_shea
(Post 9351777)
Plus Ethan would only be about 3 years old when Ben was shot by Sayid. This makes it impossible for it to be Ethan that was killed.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by calhoun07
(Post 9349622)
The rest of the show at this point showed that the island has no interest in healing Ben of anything.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by calhoun07
(Post 9349797)
Hmmm...could be...If the island heals Ben then Richard will believe that Jacob has chosen him.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by Aphex Twin
(Post 9351544)
Remember when Ben first got caught and was imprisoned in the hatch? He gave them a fake name. What if Ben isn't really his real name? What if he lied when they told everyone his name was Ben? What if he's really Ethan? Ben Linus is actually Ethan and the kid Sayid killed is really the Ethan we know. Everything Ben says can't be taken as truth, even his name.
And also, Ethan was still a baby in this episode. This is really stretching for something that truly isn't there. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
How did Ethan get recruited to the Others anyways, if Ben kills his mother, father, and all their friends? I may have forgotten something.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by Aphex Twin
(Post 9351863)
How did Ethan get recruited to the Others anyways, if Ben kills his mother, father, and all their friends? I may have forgotten something.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by d2cheer
(Post 9350751)
The thing is though do they ever mention what Ben's last name is??
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by d2cheer
(Post 9351245)
I meant as a kid... I know Sayid says his name but does anyone else say the kids last name is Linus. Maybe he just killed a kid named Ben and not Ben Linus... just a thought.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by Aphex Twin
(Post 9351544)
Remember when Ben first got caught and was imprisoned in the hatch? He gave them a fake name. What if Ben isn't really his real name? What if he lied when they told everyone his name was Ben? What if he's really Ethan? Ben Linus is actually Ethan and the kid Sayid killed is really the Ethan we know. Everything Ben says can't be taken as truth, even his name.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
I'm not sure if Ben is really dead or not, but here's something to think about. If Ben is really dead, then he wouldn't have killed Locke. That's why Locke is alive again on the island, he was never actually killed.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by redrum
(Post 9351278)
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Was checking out next week's schedule and this is what it says about next week's episode:
Spoiler:
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Just re-watched 'The Man Behind The Curtain,' (S3, EP20) the one where Ben is born and comes to the island. Very interesting stuff in there. I recommend re-viewing for all. Ben sees his dead mother outside the fence and he almost bolts through. She stops him and says its not his time yet. When he sees Richard in the woods and says he wants to join them, he tells him about seeing his Mom and what she said. Richard smiles and says, 'if you really want to come with us, you have to be very patient.' Richard must know from that encounter with his dead mother that Ben is very special. Also, Ben had the code for the fence which would be how they were able to get past it after he joined them.
When Ben is born Roger flags down a driver. It is, of course, Horace with his girlfriend, Olivia. They are just outside Portland and it's probably no coincidence they stopped to help. When the mother says the child's name is Benjamin, there doesn't seem to be a reaction but when Roger says his wife's name, who is dying, Emily, both Olivia and Horace share an interesting if not strange look at one another. They, of course bring both Roger and Ben to the island years later (in 1973). Olivia is still there as the teacher so I'm not sure what happened to their relationship over the next year for him to start seeing Amy. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Question, because I don't feel like cycling through 6 pages of chatter.
Sayid shoots young Ben Linus in 1977. Ben is one of the crash victims in 2007. I know this may sound kind of weird, but wouldn't killing Ben back then eliminate his existence currently and wipe out anyone's memory of him.....that would include Frank, Sun and Locke who are in present time. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by DJariya
(Post 9352297)
Question, because I don't feel like cycling through 6 pages of chatter.
Sayid shoots young Ben Linus in 1977. Ben is one of the crash victims in 2007. I know this may sound kind of weird, but wouldn't killing Ben back then eliminate his existence currently and wipe out anyone's memory of him.....that would include Frank, Sun and Locke who are in present time. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
If Ben actually is killed, that would eliminate Desmond from trying to get back on the island to exact revenge for Ben killing Penelope. Desmond would have had the vision of Ben's death a few moments before he got shot by Sayid, just like he saw all the times Charlie was going to get killed.
They'll probably show Desmond sitting on his boat going "Good man, Sayid. I guess that saves me a trip back on the island, brother." |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Damon Lindelof: Just a quick sort of side note in terms of the way that we deal with time travel on the show - we are very paradox averse; that is to say, when our characters are time traveling, nothing that they do can change the present or the future that you have seen. Which is different than you know, the conventional Back to the Future time travel story telling. Damon Lindelof: Yeah, and Ms. Hawking basically explained those rules in the first episode, "Flashes Before Your Eyes" where she basically said that the universe has a way of course correcting, so even if you did something in the past that you didn't do before, somehow the sort of fabric of time like swoops in around you and fixes everything so things don't go off the rails. I assume probably after "The Constant" we're going to get a lot of questions like "Well, did Penny know when she went to go see Desmond at the stadium in 2001 that he had told her to wait by the phone back in 1994?" and all of these questions, and to that we say refer to the Ms. Hawking scene in "Flashes Before Your Eyes". She gives a fairly good explanation of how everything works. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
^ doesn't Lindelof mean 1996?
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Yeah..they spent a lot of time setting up the "rules" of time traveling, it would be really bad television if they just broke them to tell their story.
this is how I understand it: It's pretty much like how Charlie had to die...that was the end. The course-correcting kept putting him in peril. And even tho Desmond altered it a little bit, it's still the same outcome. So instead of totally separate time lines and realities, they are more like bypasses, they'll veer off for a little bit, but come back to the main road. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
How do we know that was actually Sayid that shot Ben? Maybe it was Sayid's brother, from the flashback at the beginning, all grown up?
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Ben has bug-eyes and Ethan does not. hence it's really ben who got shot.
its my own personal bug-eyed theory. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
My problem with all of this is that the Sayid we've come to know would not leave us any doubt that Ben is dead. He would have made sure he was dead before he walked off, and I seriously doubt he wouldnt put another bullet in his head just to make sure.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
That was a very emotional Sayid. Not the methodical killer we've come to know.
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