Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

By the time the purge took place in the early '90's, Widmore was already exiled so Ben must have been working as a double agent as the leader of The Others and a member of the Dharma Initiative.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

I'm starting to wonder if we are finding out that this whole thing is an out of control revenge plot orchestrated by Ben, and the Losties are all people that did him some personal wrong.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

rotfl:lol:rotfl

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

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Lost: Untangled
a 5 minute recap using stick puppets

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

Those Untangleds suck. They're annoying and redundant. No offense, DAC.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

I think they were a danger to the survivors, not that they were watching the survivors. For instance, who was the Moscow guy watching?

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

none taken. I didn't make it.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

:rolleyes: The description for the last three episodes sounded lame to me and they were some of the best episodes of the series. Maybe we can actually wait until we actually see an episode before we decide of it's FUCKING LAME.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

That Lost Untangled has a picture of what I'd imagine is a scene from next week.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

how many episodes are left in this season?

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

7 episodes, but the last two will be on the same night

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

I'm going to assume we didn't see every single one of them get killed. We know that Sayid killed the guy watching Hurley. If Sayid didn't kill all of them then Widmore would have known about the meeting on the dock the night before 316 took off. Ben did tell Sayid in this episode that he killed everyone else on his list though. Ben finished it by killing Abbadon.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

After going through season three again, I am really torn on this...it seems the writers of the show deliberately put tidbits in past episodes to make us think it could go in one direction or another.

I maintain my belief that Ben screwed up the island. Perhaps he was chosen at some point to be the leader and had favor with the island...it's clear that the birthrate was still up in the DHARMA Initiative, apparently...we see kids being born and strong men and healthy beautiful women. Just like Lake Woebegon.

The island is an island of fertility. The sperm count of men on the island is considerably higher than normal sperm count off the island. The four toed statue was apparently an Egyptian god of fertility.

For some reason, Ben's reign on the island stopped the long period of fertility. Therefore, I think the island needs to course correct, and by course correcting, it needs to eliminate Ben and whatever is causing this to happen. There is foreshadowing in season three that Ben is NOT wanted by the island. (Sorry, I can't think of specific examples off the top of my head, even though I've watched the entire season in just a few days recently!)

But there is something else that impressed me from season three...Something HAD to have happened to make Richard think that the bug eyed little boy he met in the jungle would be their future leader. Some kind of test to prove that the island chose him...and I think that Ben being shot dead and resurrected by the island would be the test.

Ben said he was born on the island. We know he as born just outside of Portland in the woods, but I think like an Obi Wan/Vader killed your Father, Luke kind of a way, what Ben said IS the truth, from a certain perspective. He wasn't really born until after he was shot by Sayid and then resurrected by the island. Then, in a matter of perspective, he was born on the island.

This is driven home at the end of "The Man Behind the Curtain" when he stands above the open grave with Locke and tells Locke, "This is where I came from." He came from death. That's why he is in the position he is on the island today.

And it was all Sayid's fault. And I think this is Ben's "long con." He realized that he didn't come to be in favor of Richard and the "Others" until he was reborn on the island, and he realized that it was Sayid who killed him. So, to ensure this happens, he has to con them and make Sayid think it's his idea to shoot him in the past. Or something like that...Ben's been doing a mighty long con for a while.

I still think there's some course correction to be done...but Sayid didn't correct anything when he shot Ben, he just sealed the future events that would happen.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

The same reason "Adam and Eve" let the Garden of Eden go "off course"... Free Will, or something like that.

I don't think the "Island" (Jacob or whatever "it" is) can FORCE anybody to do anything, which is why things need to be course corrected along the way. The Oceanic Six, for example, were never supposed to leave. Yet they did. The island could have forced them to stay some how, I suppose, but they were determined to leave, so they got to leave. Not without consequences.

Of course, another reason the characters are allowed to screw things up that's against the island's will/course/whatever is because if they didn't do those things there would be no story to tell and to progress.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

I've never read his stuff, but the mention of his books in connection with the show and "dreaming" reminded me of something I noted time and time again in watching the series over again recently...there are A LOT of times the episodes start with somebody waking up all of a sudden. And waking up in places they were not before when we last saw them. I am not saying I think the series is just one long dream in the mind of Vincent or something, but dreaming and alternate realities certainly is coming into play in this series some how.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

I also liked how he said Sawyer's name and they had NO idea who he was talking about.

Just brilliant. Naturally, if we were interrogating somebody from the future and they told us that, we would NOT believe them at all. It played out very well.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

:up: that needs to be a bonus feature on the inevitable complete series boxset.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

One more question....how is the DHARMA Initiative justifying the extra payroll on the island? Sawyer, Juilet, Jack, Kate, Jin and Hurley are now all working for the DHARMA Initiative...which pays their employees handsomely, from what I gathered in "The Man Behind the Curtain" (with Roger wanting ANOTHER $30,000.00 for hazard pay). It's one thing to say they came over on the sub to get them past the security checks on the island, but you'd think HR in Portland would be saying, "Hey, we didn't employ these many people!" and send a message back to Horace to look into the glitch.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

The money clearly doesn't come to them on the island. They don't have the Dharma ATM network or anything. My guess is that the fakers just aren't getting paid and are reaping the benefits of the communal style of life on the island itself.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

Thats a good question. Maybe the Degroots, or just the company, give them an option of being paid directy in the States. I havn't see anyone need or use money while on the island anyway. If the home office doesn't know they are there they just wouldn't be paying them.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

I guess I just presumed they were going to get the lump sum off the island. While on the island it seems the DHARMA Initiative supplies all their needs...food, housing, entertainment, clothing, transportation...all the major expenses are covered. It's obvious money has no meaning on the island, so the pay incentive must be like a retirement/hush money when they get off.

I suppose for our intrepid heroes, the subject of pay just never came up. But I still would think there'd be like an HR rep on the island that would have to at least wonder what they were supposed to be compensated for their time on the island.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

Another thought in watching season three: Ben never really lies, does he? Well, he did tell the Henry Gale story in season two, but that was before the creators decided he was going to be the leader of the Others. It appears Ms. Klugh was going to be the leader, I think. Or perhaps we never got around to seeing who they originally cast to be the leader.

I think Ben tells the truth...from a certain perspective. If you listen to the things he tells that are perceived as lies, they are true...at least at some other point in time. Such as insisting the underwater hatch was flooded...it wasn't true the entire time he was telling people this, but it was true in the future.

Knowing what we know now about time on the island, I think Ben didn't just know about the Oceanic Six going back in time but he also found out about future events as well, some how.

And I also think that battle with the fire arrows we saw briefly was a future time jump, and that was what Ben was referring to that would kill everybody on the island.

The question is: how does Ben know all this stuff like he's unstuck in time, like he walked off the pages of Slaughterhouse Five?

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

It seems the HR rep just had a baby, so she's been distracted.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

Didn't he tell Jack his mom taught him to read? That's a hard one to justify as true given the circumstances of his birth.

Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
 

He was being sarcastic when he said that.