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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by Doug Heffernan
(Post 9355003)
He was being sarcastic when he said that.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
He did say that he was born on the island. We know that to be false.
I do think, though, that he doesn't ALWAYS lie. And we will see that to ring true over the course of this season... EDIT: Oops. I just read what you wrote calhoun07. Very well thought out. Not a bad theory IMHO. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by calhoun07
(Post 9354989)
Another thought in watching season three: Ben never really lies, does he? Well, he did tell the Henry Gale story in season two, but that was before the creators decided he was going to be the leader of the Others. It appears Ms. Klugh was going to be the leader, I think. Or perhaps we never got around to seeing who they originally cast to be the leader
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by cracksky
(Post 9355575)
We have no way of knowing how far out the producers planned the story arcs of each of the characters. Unless they provide dated documents at some point. However, I'm positive that they knew Henry Gale would become Ben as I'm sure they have always known where his character will end up by the series finale. You just can't do a series like this without knowing the A-Z of all the major characters.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
ms. klugh?
really, wasn't she in maybe 2 or 3 eps, if it was more then that it wasn't very important appearances. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by whotony
(Post 9355620)
ms. klugh?
really, wasn't she in maybe 2 or 3 eps, if it was more then that it wasn't very important appearances. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by GenPion
(Post 9355055)
He did say that he was born on the island. We know that to be false.
I think Sayid did kill him...he is a trained killer and didn't miss like some Stormtrooper in Star Wars. However, Ben is going to come back to life and Richard will realize the island chose him, thus why he becomes the future leader. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by cracksky
(Post 9355575)
We have no way of knowing how far out the producers planned the story arcs of each of the characters. Unless they provide dated documents at some point. However, I'm positive that they knew Henry Gale would become Ben as I'm sure they have always known where his character will end up by the series finale. You just can't do a series like this without knowing the A-Z of all the major characters.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by Jimmy James
(Post 9355582)
There are so too many false starts in season 2 (and maybe a little in season 3) that put this completeness theory in serious doubt. We know they didnt have a firm conception of how long this was going to run until they locked in the episode count with ABC. It's surely more than coincidental that the show got MUCH better at that point.
The only reason there was discussion in the media about the remaining episode count was so the writers and ABC were on the same page about how many shows were left for the series. The producers didn't want to get caught with ABC suddenly announcing a final season and then the writers scrambling to wrap everything up. Story-wise when the freighter shows up and it looks like the survivors might get rescued, the pace of the show picks up and it actually helped that season four was shortened by the strike. Seasons 1-3 are paced slower because we are still learning a lot about each of the characters through their backstories. So, 22-24 episodes per season is appropriate to flesh them out. Plus, the producers didn't know specifically when the show would end. I think they wanted to go 7 seasons originally. No matter what has happened, I guarantee you there was an outline with a story arc for Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Locke, Ben, Sawyer, etc...and the producers know what happens at the end to all those characters. It's up to the writers of each episode to get them there each week. There's only one actor on the show that knows their character's fate. Spoiler:
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
I would like to know what they wanted to do with Mr. Eko too, I read somewhere that the actor didn't like working in Hawaii so they had to cut his role short.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by DthRdrX
(Post 9355765)
The Henry Gale role was only contracted to Michael Emerson for like three episodes. They liked him so much they decided to make him a regular.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by outcastja
(Post 9355783)
I would like to know what they wanted to do with Mr. Eko too, I read somewhere that the actor didn't like working in Hawaii so they had to cut his role short.
I think if Eko had lived, he would have been one of the Oceanic Six, or there may have been Oceanic Seven. And, yeah...I heard the actor wanted off the show as well. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by calhoun07
(Post 9355805)
Eko is the most missed character. People still whine about not getting to see more of Libby's back story, but I miss Eko most of all.
I think if Eko had lived, he would have been one of the Oceanic Six, or there may have been Oceanic Seven. And, yeah...I heard the actor wanted off the show as well. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by cracksky
(Post 9355788)
His character name is Ben Linus and his alias is Henry Gale. I don't remember how many episodes it was until Ben was revealed but there's no way the producers would risk the actor not being available after 3 episodes. I'm sure they offered him the job and said it could turn into a regular gig, can you be available?
I just guessed that Klugh was set up as the leader before they introduced the Ben Linus character, but that wasn't based on anything official. Was the Ben Linus was already offered to another actor? I always heard that they liked Emerson's take on Henry Gale so much that they offered him the role of Ben Linus, even though they already had another actor lined up to play the leader of the Others. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
I just have to say, too many people are looking at the constant back and forth events that we're witnessing between future and past as linear. Remember people, the show basically says 'you can't change what happened in the past, because what's happened has already happened'. So Ben being shot, was the way it went down, the way it always went down.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by calhoun07
(Post 9355805)
Eko is the most missed character. People still whine about not getting to see more of Libby's back story, but I miss Eko most of all.
I think if Eko had lived, he would have been one of the Oceanic Six, or there may have been Oceanic Seven. And, yeah...I heard the actor wanted off the show as well. Did Eko ever have any interaction with Ben? Would have been interesting to see how those two would have gotten along. Did they ever explain why he was on of the targets when the Others attacked the Tailies the first night? |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by outcastja
(Post 9356092)
Did Eko ever have any interaction with Ben? Would have been interesting to see how those two would have gotten along. Did they ever explain why he was on of the targets when the Others attacked the Tailies the first night?
he confessed to HG/Ben about killing those 2 mens with a stone he also sliced off that twig goatee in front of HG/Ben (Ben looked scared as hell. lol) |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
oh yeah , about Ben
i find it hard to believe that they didn't plan on HG being Ben HG initial run only ran like 3 episodes early on in those episodes he told Locke that he was on the way to find him when he got caught in Rousseau's net; and he was manipulating from day 1 if they somehow flipped those 3 episodes into the whole Ben storyline, then those writers are good as hell, because the shit fit perfectly |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by ATX
(Post 9356171)
oh yeah , about Ben
i find it hard to believe that they didn't plan on HG being Ben HG initial run only ran like 3 episodes early on in those episodes he told Locke that he was on the way to find him when he got caught in Rousseau's net; and he was manipulating from day 1 if they somehow flipped those 3 episodes into the whole Ben storyline, then those writers are good as hell, because the shit fit perfectly Let's remember that deception was a hallmark of The Others, at least in that era of the show. It's not all that odd that there might have been 4 manipulators instead of 3. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
UGO: How did you land the role of Henry Gale on Lost? Did you have to go through an audition process? MICHAEL EMERSON: Usually, just about every other job I've ever had, I've had to do that. I always have to jump through hoops of fire to get a gig, but this one came as an offer. I guess because they had seen my work on other show sand thought I had something of the right quality that they wanted. It was to have been originally a guest turn, three episodes and gone. I had no idea at the get-go what kind of employment we were talking about. I thought, "Oh, that'll be fun. I'll go to Hawaii for a couple of weeks and that will be interesting." Then, they ended up liking the character, I think, and finding that they had a lot to do with him, a lot of uses for him, so my little guest turn turned into what is now full-time employment here. UGO: When you approached your character as a three-episode guest spot, what did you do to flesh him out in such a short time? MICHAEL: Well, you don't think too much about a long arc or evolution or anything like that. You just play the scenes that are on the page. You think about how the character ticks or how the character works in the context of the storytelling. Of course, there's nothing like a story meeting you take with producers or anything like that. You just show up and tear into it, but I knew that ambiguity was where the thing was going to work best. That was just my instinct, and I think it was the right one. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
I guess further evidence that the writers of Lost have no idea where the show is headed and just make up things as they go along.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Maybe they didn't know exactly where they were going 100% then (mid/late Season 2), but there's no doubt they know now and have known for awhile.
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Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by Aphex Twin
(Post 9356548)
I guess further evidence that the writers of Lost have no idea where the show is headed and just make up things as they go along.
And I think they knew where they wanted to go with the tail section people, but it's not their fault the actress who played Ana Lucia got thrown in jail and that the actor who played Eko wanted out of the show. I never really heard if their plans for Libby got derailed for whatever reason, or if that was what they intended right away. But it's a mistake to blame them for what you see as flaws in season two when the circumstances were beyond their control. And it has been stated several times that they had this planned out from very early on. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
I miss Eko too and don't understand why actors do that. They get a role on a popular show and then want out. I just checked IMDB and he has exactly ONE role since quitting lost. Great career move, buddy!
I would be really interested in one day finding out just how much the writers did have planned and which things they changed. For one, it seems like the Others were very different originally from what they turned out to be. All dressed in rags and running around barefoot. |
Re: Lost -- "He's Our You" -- 3/25/09
Originally Posted by Brian Gentz
(Post 9356581)
Maybe they didn't know exactly where they were going 100% then (mid/late Season 2), but there's no doubt they know now and have known for awhile.
I'm sure the writers didn't want to kill a 9-10 season golden goose for themselves by resolving their mysteries too early. Fortunately for us and them, the ratings dove just enough to make it clear they needed to get on with telling us the story and not so much they ended up unemployed due to the show being canceled. |
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