Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

Interesting observation on the statue there considering one of the sub-plots of childbirth on the island.

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

According to Lostpedia, Ben was born in the early 60's and came to the island when he was 11. That means he would have arrived somewhere between 1971 and 1975.

This means that there's no way he hasn't crossed paths with Sawyer/LaFleur, Juliet, and crew by 1977.

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

I can't wait to see the back stories with young Ben...

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

Some of those symbols do match up with the ones on the timer in the Swan, and likely the temple too. Not sure how vast the language is, but that's something ;)
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Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

Got another question regarding the time travel. I always figured the time travel was related to the physical island not just the people on it. Meaning that the island was in 1974/77 so that anybody else coming to the island would be in that time period. But apparently, that's probably not true. So, if Juliet and Sawyer did get off the island they would be in U.S. 1977 and not U.S. 2008? Because it's only them moving through time and not the island? Which if that's all true, then why didn't Ben go back to 1974? Obviously, he was on the island when he turned the wheel.

Also, if the island is not the catalyst and just the people on it, then in theory, shouldn't the surviving six have vanished back to 1977 when Locke pushed the wheel and not when they flew over the island? Because they only vanished when they went over the island and there really was no light flash for Sawyer and Juliet on that day in 1977. Unless they were just sleeping through it.

I'm kinda a time travel geek and I'm just trying to figure out which direction they're going with this.

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

and the hippo god prego goddess only had 4 toes!

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

:lol:

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

I think the "incident" is coming in the next few episodes. I wonder if they will tell horace the truth before they leave. I think this season ends with everyone going back to current island time. next season perhaps the war between widmore and ben/locke/richard. still waiting for someone from hanso/dharma to step forward in current time. you would think they would try to re-establish themselves again.

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

I think is the best episode of the season also.

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

Here's my thinking Popcorn. Ben moved the island in the present time to a different physical location. This is one time period we are seeing, the 316 surviviors, Locke and Ben. This is what we view as the present.

Now the question remains why did certain losties flash off the 316 flight to the past Dharma timeline?

The losties were not supposed to leave the island according to Locke. We assumed this had something to do with the 06 members saving the leftover losties, Sawyer and company, who were flashing through time. However, Locke saved them when he left the island and stopped the flashes. So what is the reason they weren't supposed to leave?

My thinking: Everything that happened in the past, happened. Members of the 06 leaving the island during the present, season 3-4, screwed this up. They were supposed to remain there and flash through with the other losties, to fullfill some role. My guess is that certain people, at least Jack, Kate and Hurley had significant roles during the Dharma period and the island course corrected to make sure they were in the right time period. This explains why they flashed off the plane, even though the flashes stopped for the leftover losties three years earlier.

Now we come to Ben and Locke. Remember Christian told Locke that Ben wasn't supposed to turn the wheel. This means Ben should have been on the island, and would have stayed in the present with Alpert and the rest of 'the others'. Remember other than Juliet the 'others' did not flash through time. If Locke had turned the wheel in the first place he would have also been in the present time period because he would have been in the outside world. This explains why Locke and Ben weren't flashed to the past, because they should have been in the present all along.

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

"The great God Ra, whose shrines once covered acres, is now filler space for crossword puzzle makers."

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

To this point, I found the scene where Sawyer, et al encounter the hostile Others interesting.

They all want to save the woman, Sawyer turns to Daniel for time travel rule guidance, and he says 'what ever has happened happened' (or something). Sawyer and Juliet end up shooting and killing these guys. So this incident must be something that was always supposed to happen, right? Even though it takes place 30 years in the past?

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

The time differential could be easily fixed, if the island is time refracting like I think. I believe the angles in which one leaves determine the time to which they arrive. That's why Daniel's rocket took half an hour to make a three minute trip and the doctor showed up a day before he died and Daniel's angle differed from Ben's.

Oh, and the dispersing prism separating the elements of light? A pyramid.

Just to tie into the Egyptian thing again.

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

This might be an important plot point here. There was a lot of emphasis on the bodies. They had to bury the Hostiles and the husband's body had to be brought back.

Why did Richard want the body? If it was just for an eye for an eye, then surely he could just borrow the body.

I'm starting to see a lot of themes around death. Charlotte referring to this place being death. The Egyptian statue might refer to the guardian of the underworld.

The Dharma bodies after the purge were specifically not buried, but left in an open grave.

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

Yes. The idea is that even before you watched season 1, the losties always flashed to those time periods and interacted with people. This is why Alpert knew enough to give Locke the compass and explain what he needed to do. Alpert had already interacted with Locke before we even saw it.

The reason Daniel states what he does is because he doesn't know what happened in the past, as he is currently living it out, but he figures that whatever they decide to do must have originally happened. He does know now that he told Charlotte not to come back when she was a child. The question is will he try and change his strategy knowing she obviously didn't listen to him?

Thinking out loud:

I'm actually wondering if we have been duped the entire time. Perhaps the current timeline that we view as the present, 2008, is not the present at all. Maybe there is a third future timeline that will explain everything going on between Widmore and Ben, the 'rules', and how they seem to know everything that is going on. If the island can be viewed as a 'spinning record', and Daniel mentioned being a track or two off by being stuck in the Dharma era, perhaps the final track is the end of the world. A future timeline would also explain the technology behind the smoke monster.

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

One thing to keep in mind is that young Ben is going to be surrounded by several people in Dharma that know what the future holds. If young Ben somehow becomes privy to what they know (either through eavesdropping or other means) then that might explain why Ben always seems to know how things are going to play out.

Widmore might be getting his information through similar means. Do we know what has happened to Rose and Bernard?

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

Good post, DthRdrX.

One thing I've noticed is that, and I could be wrong, they've never had the same character meet each other in a different timeline. Sawyer and gang, during all that flashing never ran into themselves. Which makes me believe this is deliberate.

I recently watched the pilot episode and it seems pretty obvious that Jack flashed off the plane. He was laying in the jungle whereas everyone else was on the beach. Another thing, it seemed like only him and possibly Kate were not on the beach. Certainly looked like John and Hurley were near the crash. It was interesting re-watching the pilot, now after all this, seems like they really did have a plan in mind for this show all along.

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

That's a good point. It depends on when Ben comes to the island and if the losties are still there or not. It is a possibility that he comes into power and can keep the island away from Widmore because of the losties from the future.

As for Rose and Bernard, that's a plot point that is screaming 'look at me'. No way do they show them in the season opener and just forget about them the rest of the season. I expect something huge to happen with them. If they did flash through into Dharma time, and they show up, Sawyer can just tell Horace those are the people they were looking for on the island.

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

I just watched that scene again too, and something struck me this time. Jack is lying in the middle of bamboo trees. They are right there on either side of him. If he had fallen out of the plane, he would have come in at an angle, knocking/bending the bamboo over. The only way he he could have fallen like that would be straight (and I mean straight) down.

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

Thanks.

The pilot is odd as well. I really think there is something behind Jack waking up in the jungle the same way, as well as the smoke monster ripping into the pilot. I'm not sure about Kate though, as she may have been on the beach and ran into the jungle to ditch the handcuffs.

Another thing is: Ben may not necessarily have know about the time flashes. It depends on if he arrives on the island as a young boy while the losties are stil there, and if he wasn't there, does Alpert tell him what is going to happen? I really don't trust Ben one damn bit, while I get the feeling that Alpert is a straight shooter. Maybe Alpert turns out to be the devil in the end and not Ben or Widmore?

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

Alpert is another thing. His lack of aging seems to indicate he's going through time, however, he seems unfamiliar when he meets John in the past and Sawyer in last night's episode. Though he could just be playing dumb.

Also, if the island turns out to be an underworld, a purgatory perhaps, then I was right with my theory a long time ago. :)

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

"Adam and Eve" from the caves? :confused:

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

Would bodies look like that after only 30 years?

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

Although we're not sure, we're given several indications that Locke is in 2008 (or whatever the most current "now" is in Lost time).

What we don't know still is where the rest of the Losties are (Bernard & Rose, etc.)

Also conspicuously absent: Aaron.

Re: Lost -- "LaFleur" -- 3/4/09
 

Yes.