I think that people don't give TNG enough credit in terms of continuity as well. Picard's assimilation and recovery from it is mentioned in at least 5 or 6 episodes from Season 4. Including a personal favorite of mine, The Drumhead.

Of course, there weren't the grand storyarcs that DS9 had, but TNG did reference a lot of earlier stuff in the later seasons.

Just recently finished watching all seasons of DS9...I thought it was great, highly underrated.

Awesome, I just have two seasons left, but I'm waiting for sales on 'em before I buy.

Might be awhile.... for some reason these sets haven't had the 'x-files' treatment.

This thread has inspired me to put DS9 in my Netflix queue.

I never saw this on TV but binge-watched the first five seasons and consider it my second fave after TOS. Need to go back and finish.

Yeah, I might give up eventually and just get 'em at regular price. They go on sale once in awhile for $35, eh well...

Apparently in April, Netflix will get the various Star Trek series for instant streaming so you might want to hold out until then? I know I'll start to watch it then as it's the only series that's not shown in syndication so I haven't been able to see it.

For once, the majority vote is correct.

Yeah but TNG pushed a LOT of reset buttons along the way. A. LOT.

and brought in that stupid warp speed limit that was quickly dropped
although there was at least one later episode where they say they were given special permission to exceed the limit due to the urgency of the mission

Maybe they've since managed to develop some greener warp technology.

I think it is often known as the best of the Trek series because of an ongoing story and better character development. These characters evolved a lot more than any character on TNG.

Every modern Trek series started off terribly. TNG was terrible - ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE - for the first 2 seasons. The same goes for DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. Funnily enough, all series improved with time.

However, the last season for DS9 was terrible - ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. They forgot the premise of the entire show.

Voyager never really improved to me. in fact, it got worse.

Enterpise has the most improved trophy. As soon as it got great, it was cancelled.

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I strongly disagree. Many of the episodes were well written and the character development was superb. Many of the episodes were related to the main storyline (The Dominion War) and had an epic feel to them. I felt I had I had put on the next episode as soon as I was done with one episode. With Voyager, had sort of the opposite feeling, like it was almost a chore to watch the next episode. Definitely was not as cohesive as DS9.

Good show. I caught the whole series when Spike would air like 3 episodes in one day. First few seasons were kinda blah, but it kicked in nicely. Ending was a little bit rushed, but those kinda things always are.

Victim of Trek overkill in mid 90's and early UPN politics. Show was always moved around where I lived.

With the exception of the final episode, which was easily one of the worst episodes of any trek series, and nearly ruined all that had come before.

My second fave after TNG. I think it had a VERY slow start, I actually gave up during the 1st season and came back around the third, but once it got into the swing of things the final 4 seasons or so were mostly golden.

my only issue with Enterprise is that early on they met too many species and did too many things that were never mentioned in later trek but over all I liked the whole series

I've been rewatching it via netflix, just watched season 2 disc 5 last night

I was reading a new interview with Rick Berman over at StarTrek.com, and saw something that shocked me so much that I felt I had to post it. I mean this really, really, really blows my mind.

So Berman has been working on Star Trek for more than a decade at the point he creates ENT. He worked on ST for seventeen years. He's creating a brand new show set before TOS. Never mind, he's the freaking franchise runner for Trek in all it's incarnations. And so after well over a decade, creating a series that required TOS knowledge to know what to do and what not to do as continuity allowed, he'd only watched 2/3 of TOS? WTF? As producer, moving on up to show runner, over more than ten years, he never had the time or care to sit down and watch TOS? Never mind we are only talking three seasons. Never mind we are only talking 79 episodes. How did this bum ever get a job? I don't understand how you can head Star Trek, create a show like Enterprise, and then *admit*, publicly, you never even watched all of TOS. God, at least lie and say you'd watched it all. I think instead of this explaining how Trek divebombed so badly under Berman and Bragga, it should be more shocking that any idiot in his position for so long that couldn't bother to watch 79 episodes managed to keep the franchise afloat for as long as he did. Even though we are talking about Rick Berman here, is anyone else as flabbergasted by this quote as I am?

"If we screwed up, if things fell between the cracks... We did our best." No, moron, doing your best would mean taking a couple weekends at some point in 17 years to watch the stuff that your work is based on and relies entirely on. The sheer laziness or arrogance of Berman not watching TOS the second he was hired is amazing. The fact he didn't even when creating something like Enterprise is mind blowing. The fact that the majority of comments in reply to those interviews at StarTrek.com are pro-Berman despite admitting not watching a measly 79 episodes at some point in 17 years is beyond words. He'd have had to watch simply five episodes of TOS per YEAR during his tenure. Simply mind blowing.

To be fair, Berman did surround himself with a slew of writer/producers who were obsessed with the original series, all of whom thrived under / despite Berman and his rigid way of handling things.

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Also, if I remember reading correctly, he was hired because he wasn't such a fanboy in the first place, and he probably wanted to keep a certain level of detachment from it all anyway.

I saw every TNG, DS9, Voyager and gave up on Enterprise before its first season ended, and I've enjoyed all the films (even Final Frontier) but I've probably seen 3 complete episodes of the original series. For me it's the massive disconnect aesthetically between it and even The Motion Picture that has always thrown me more than anything else. The characters are the same, but even they're a bit different (more natural) in the films than the series, but that's a given considering styles and approaches to acting have changed over the years dramatically. A film from the 1940s looks and sounds ridiculous compared to a film made today just going by how a character speaks, that kind of thing.

Yes, Roddenberry hired Berman because of his lack of... Knowledge of Trek, I recall that as well. I think my issue is not so much he wasn't a Trekkie upon being hired. It's that he created a show like Enterprise, set in the time period it was, and thought TOS was pointless and not worth his time to watch. It's one thing crafting brand new Trek without watching TOS. I'm like you, I have seen exactly two TOS episodes. The Tribbles and In a Mirror, Darkly... But to do Enterprise, where you have to craft where the shows going to go with stuff that's already been written? That's just reckless and stupid not to have watched TOS. As little time as it would have taken, I cannot accept a *show runner* creating a show like Enterprise not watching a measly 79 episodes prior to, or at any point during, a four year run.

Like I said, it reeks of laziness and egotism. Enterprise might very well have been a slightly better show if it was written as a companion to, an homage to, TOS. Instead, it was just written as Trek: The Beginning, set in the early years of space travel, with little regard to where the canon was, and had to be, heading. This was also one of the major complaints of fans during the run of Enterprise, and likely a significant reason for it's failure to Trekkies. Would Enterprise have been much better if Berman had watched TOS? Probably not. But it still seems flat out insane that the Trek show runner, working on Trek for 17 years, and now nearly 25 years since first hired, still hasn't watched 79 episodes that started everything he worked on.

hated it at first but saw it on DVD later and liked it. but i thought it went on for one season too long and could have been wrapped up quicker

When I gave up on Enterprise, part of the reason why I did was because I immediately saw that they were betraying the concept by introducing TNG/DS9/Voyager-era elements and after I stopped I'd see the odd promo for it on UPN that looked like whole Voyager episodes being re-hashed as well.

Ferengi, Borg and the like had no place on that show at all, and they should have stuck to TOS-era elements like Gorn and tribbles and those black/white guys. I heard they even gave an explanation regarding the Klingon's looks where Worf's deliberate lack-of-an explanation was plenty good enough and funny!