I don't think he was knocked out that much longer, depending on how far away Kate and Juliet were from the house when they woke up. They basically woke up, bickered, ran from the monster, and went back. It could have been 20 minutes, it could have been 3 hours.

Anyone have any guesses on why they take certain people? Locke brought up again how he tried to convince them that Kate was a good person, despite what she did, but she couldn't come with. Perhaps this is related to why Juliet was left behind (if it's not some kind of trick/trojan horse), as after killing Trixie's dad she would probably not be considered a "good person."

Given the flashback schedule if true....

It was overnight wasn't it? Juliet said something about waiting the rain out but Kate wanted to leave, the monster came and I thought they hid for the night.

joshyborra, you should really spoilerize the rest of your post since it gives away the subject of the spoilerized conversation.

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Good episode. The Sawyer/Hurley stuff was kind of ridiculous, but still fun. (A con-man that can't fake being nice? Did all of his cons revolve around being a sarcastic ass?) The Kate/Juliet stuff was good and I didn't mind the flashback.

That's very possible; I can't recall the specifics of that scene for some reason. In which case would make Jack being knocked out that long very odd. It would be interesting to see if Sayid was awake or just restrained from leaving.

Also, is it possible that the gas could've remained in the air inside the house Jack was in? I don't know anything about knockout gasses, but if there wasn't any airflow maybe it stayed in the air, keeping him out?

Does anyone else think Locke is beyond redeeming at this point? How on earth could they welcome back and pretend nothing has happened??

I don't think he wants to be welcomed back. He's always been a loner, and if being with the others means staying on the island forever, he seems fine with that.

They didn't technically have to leave after gassing Kate & Juliet. They could have gassed her and Juliet while Jack/Sayid are locked up. Dumped them in the jungle and spent hours upon hours packing and leaving before finally gassing Jack.

Yes, it was overnight. When they woke up it was sunny. When they hid from the monster it was dark, and it showed Kate waking up when it was daylight again.

Good point...I guess I should have thought about it a little more.

It looked like there was a big fight in Jack's house as well, wonder if this is relevant.

It would certainly explain why he instinctively threw Kate against the wall when she revived him.

I saw that too. I assumed it was just Jack sloshing around when the gas came in but who knows.

Thanks, guys. Didn't remember the name.

I'm asking the same question. Obviously it has gone over the fence before when it came after the Losties, so why didnt it this time? Also, this is the first time we've seen ti flash/scan someone with the light ..it's also the first time we've seen it go after one of the others. Any connection?

And I agree with everyone else, the sub plot was horrible.

Well I assumed it was similar to what it did to Eko - except we went through that scan beam. Remember when you could see the images of his brother on the smoke (Eko's memories) as the view passed through?

The way I understood it, they woke up on the same side of the "fence" as the Losties are on. Then it chased them to the fence, and they went back to the side the Dharma housing is on.

You can't be serious. Just in case you are being serious: I can probably count on one hand the number of times I have criticized and/or nitpicked an episode of Lost. As far as not missing a minute of next week—duh. The show is great, probably my favorite, but if there is a crappy episode or something I don't like I'll make a comment on it. Last night's episode was indeed such a situation.

I really enjoyed this episode. I'm not one that hates the back stories, so Kate's doesn't bother me.

Some things, I've thought about this episode:
It look like Jack had 2 canisters in his home, maybe that's why he was out longer.

For awhile, I was thinking Juliet was Smokey, and the real Juliet went with the Others.
But, I think the Other's did leave Juliet behind. I think because of her being marked/branded. I was interested in Smokey's reaction to her. During the rain/smokey sequence, it seemed to recoil when it saw Juliet. Like holy smokes, it's an Other out here, or holy smokes, look at all the crap this one has done. BTW, it's been awhile since it's rained and we saw smokey, used to happen all of the time.

I thought the same thing, if the losties go to Camp Other, they would still be able to get through the fence (or even under apparently).

I really like Sawyer, he tries to be a stud, but he's everyone's whipping boy.

I thought Locke's comment, 'they don't forgive easily' was pretty interesting too.

call me crazy but i liked the episode, one of the better ones this season. Curious if anyone has any more ideas about smokey given what we saw last night (the flashing and the way it split when it hit the fence).

I said that too awhile back when the tide was getting high on the beach.

The reason Jack was knocked out longer (overnight) was because there were two gas canisters thrown into his place. It also did look like his place was tossed. Maybe someone was looking for something in there. Maybe there was a fight between Jack and Locke (after the sub explosion). Remember, Locke had a bandage on his hand when his spoke to Kate.

I watched this show with the Closed-Captioning on and one of the sounds that is heard when Kate and Juliet are at the fence is referred to as [rattling] like a rattlesnake. This same sound is heard immediately before the spiders attack Nikki, she turns to react to it and the captioning says [rattling in distance]. Obviously, the smoke monster was near but maybe backed off when the spiders did their thing.

The smoke monster headed straight through toward the fence and was stopped. It retreated like an animal, not thinking about going over it. BTW, the code Juliet entered was: 1623 as in 4 8 15 16 23 42.

At first, I thought that Kate was dreaming when Locke came in but she mentioned it to Juliet later on. Also, when the Others were masking up, it seemed that Juliet was there as well (sky blue top and blue jeans) but that couldv'e been someone else. She did imply at the end that she had handcuffed herself to Kate and clearly was pretending to be asleep. I think she was genuinely surprised to see the smoke monster who only attacked Losties before. Maybe Smokie was surprised as well to see Juliet which is why it 'photographed' her to learn more about her.

I wonder if Kate will dig up the diamonds after she finds out about them.

Holy crap, I just realized, Smokey is Venom from Spiderman. That's how he got rid of Venom in the comic by using the bells from the church!