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pinata242 08-17-06 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Lunatikk
I don't really see this being a long term band, so that shouldn't be an issue.

:lol:

movieking 08-17-06 10:59 AM

I can't quote for some reason, but there are two main reasons that Patrice should have gone home before Zayra, IMO:

1. Zayra has been progressing over the weeks, while Patrice has been fading. Zayra has been listening to their criticisms and changing her performances up, whereas Patrice barely utters a word outside of her performances now. She seems resigned to going home, and is just waiting for it to happen.

2. Zayra appears to really want to front the band, whereas Patrice doesn't seem like she has that fire. To me, she is there to get her name out there without having any desire or intention to join this band (Phil, anyone?)

Ultimately, there is no doubt that neither one of these women would have fronted the band, so their order of elimination is really a moot point.

Unless someone literally defecates on Supernova next week, Patrice is a goner.

candyrocket786 08-17-06 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Lunatikk
I don't really see this being a long term band, so that shouldn't be an issue.

After that performance last night, I think being "voted off" is a better career move than joining Supernova.

BDLOU 08-17-06 11:31 AM

I wouldn't doubt if they pick a male AND female singer at the end of this. Obviously the female would be Dilana.

Dr. Henry Jones, Jr. 08-17-06 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by BDLOU
I wouldn't doubt if they pick a male AND female singer at the end of this. Obviously the female would be Dilana.

they should pick someone (Magni?) to replace Gilby as well...

Jadzia 08-17-06 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
You are going to need to explain that. Zayra has been the worst contestant outside of Chris since day one. You can't understand her, her arrangements are awful, she continually does things that Supernova suggests she not do, she's combative and just plain weird.

If you are referring to the fact that there is clear animosity between Patrice and Dave/SN then ok, but anything else you will need to back up.

I agree with movieking that Patrice should have gone home before Zayra.

At least Zayra was interesting to watch and I always looked forward to seeing what she would do next. Patrice is a competent singer, but she is about as interesting as furniture.

Plus there's something dated and somewhat "poseur-ish" about Patrice that bugs me. The mid-90's look: combat boots and cut-off jeans, the intentional big chunky streak in her hair. She just looks like a girl you would have seen at Lollapalooza 10 years ago and there is something very affected about her "look". I know she comes from more of a Horde-type band so I think she is intentionally trying to look more "rock" but it comes off as what a rocker would have looked like in 1995. Patrice may have been able to pull of that look 10 years ago, but now she looks like a 35 year old trying to look 20 and it just makes her look awkward.

Patman 08-17-06 12:07 PM

I don't pay all that much attention to Patrice's "look" but her voice is so average and mediocre, there's nothing to her singing that makes you want to sit up and pay attention to her. She's got a backup singer's voice.

megashock5 08-17-06 12:10 PM

Jadzia

thank you for putting into words everything that has bothered me about Patrice since week one. I can't believe she's still there.

DVD Josh 08-17-06 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by Jadzia
I agree with movieking that Patrice should have gone home before Zayra.

At least Zayra was interesting to watch and I always looked forward to seeing what she would do next. Patrice is a competent singer, but she is about as interesting as furniture.

Plus there's something dated and somewhat "poseur-ish" about Patrice that bugs me. The mid-90's look: combat boots and cut-off jeans, the intentional big chunky streak in her hair. She just looks like a girl you would have seen at Lollapalooza 10 years ago and there is something very affected about her "look". I know she comes from more of a Horde-type band so I think she is intentionally trying to look more "rock" but it comes off as what a rocker would have looked like in 1995. Patrice may have been able to pull of that look 10 years ago, but now she looks like a 35 year old trying to look 20 and it just makes her look awkward.


Jad, you reminded what my wife said about Pat a few weeks ago - "she looks like a soccer mom trying to be a rocker". Funny, but true.

My premise is that this is not Zayra / Patrice. This is that Zayra outlasted several singers better than her. She deserved to go for weeks, and frankly, she might have gone with Jill last week had she made the bottom three (I think they like Josh, even though he's not good for the band).

rkndkn 08-17-06 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by Eddie W
And what, did they license only about 30 songs this year? Why else would the two of bottom three try to save themselves with a song that has already been done?

Maybe they were giving the band a break?

Caliking 08-17-06 07:09 PM

Zayara ruled...but not for Supernova.
Patrice is terrible and I can not believe she is still around.
Storm Large's act is starting to wear thin. I liked her at first and now she just seems fake to me.
Im really starting to dig Toby and Ryan.

Rocketdog2000 08-17-06 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by movieking
1. Zayra has been progressing over the weeks, while Patrice has been fading. Zayra has been listening to their criticisms and changing her performances up, whereas Patrice barely utters a word outside of her performances now. She seems resigned to going home, and is just waiting for it to happen.

I'll give you that Patrice has been fading over the weeks, but she came out of the gate pretty strong. They din't have a negative word to say about her, in fact only very positive things, until about week 5. I think your statement might have held some truth up until her perfomance last night. Obviously why, at the last minute she changed from doing a ballad to a rocker. Hell even the band noticed she still had some fire in her. There was even a shot of Jason looking over to Tommy, and mouthing the word "WOW!.

As for Zayra - listening to their critisisms and changing it up? Are we watching the same show? She seems hell bent on just doing what she want's to do, and Supernova be damned. I've yet to see her follow ANY critisism the band's given her. To me, she's clearly always been in this for what she can get out of it for herself.


2. Zayra appears to really want to front the band, whereas Patrice doesn't seem like she has that fire. To me, she is there to get her name out there without having any desire or intention to join this band (Phil, anyone?)
And again, the exact opposite is true. Patrice doesn't need to get her name out there. She's already got a moderately successful solo career, and had at least one hit single with the song "Know What You Mean" back in '97 with the band Sister 7. She's also stated repeatedly that she want's to front Supernova.

Zayra, on the other didn't even know much about who the guy's former bands were, much less any classic rock. She's a horrible singer who can barely speak English, much less sing in it - so I don't see how that would do any good for Supernova.

I agree with what Dave said to Zayra some weeks back - "My best advice to you, is to go out and start a solo career, right now". in that capacity she might do well, and it has probably been her goal all along. As someone else stated here, and rightly so, she knew she would most likely be the next to go, so that's why she fought so hard to get her original song out there. Which, by the way sounded like it had nothing whatsoever to do with anything like the sound Supernova is going for.

I think had the shoe been on the other foot, and it was Patrice doing an original, she would have most surely gone with something that fit the sound of the band.


Ultimately, there is no doubt that neither one of these women would have fronted the band, so their order of elimination is really a moot point.
No it's not. They basically kept Zayra around to be the court jester/dancing monkey. Which was ok when there were still some other singers that needed to be weeded out. But once you get down to a certain number of them left, and things get more serious, then you no longer have that luxury of keeping the wacky fool around just for entertainment's sake. Ultimately, it's not fair to the better singers that are still legititmately trying to compete, and it's even more not fair to that individual - especially when you know there's zero chance you're EVER going to seriously consider them for your band. You'd just be giving them false hope, and insulting the others in the process.

I agree with DVD Josh, that had Zayra been in the bottom three last week, she would have gone then.

Patman 08-17-06 11:36 PM

Patrice has the perfect voice for Bose speakers: No highs, no lows.

Jadzia 08-17-06 11:50 PM


Originally Posted by Patman
Patrice has the perfect voice for Bose speakers: No highs, no lows.

That is so true. I have been singing her montone version of "Message in a Bottle" all day. :lol:

It is almost like speak-singing.

freshticles 08-19-06 04:00 AM

I'm sorry but now besides being completely boring and unmemorable, Patrice can add off-key, unoriginal and shitty to her long list of things that will prevent her of having a career. Yes, I'm aware that she's put out three solo albums and opened for some big bands, but I've put out two albums and opened for big bands too, and I've gone nowhere in the last 4 years. It's not hard to get local opening gigs and to put up money to release your own material.
Zayra at least has the guts to do something different and some people might find her absolutely awful, but she has style coming out of her ass, and will make it big. I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money on it. Her original song was amazing.
As of now, I'm voting for Ryan. At least some people are still treating singing like an emotional extension of themselves. Dilana and Lukas can jump in front of a train for all i care.

DVD Josh 08-19-06 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by freshticles
I'm sorry but now besides being completely boring and unmemorable, Patrice can add off-key, unoriginal and shitty to her long list of things that will prevent her of having a career. Yes, I'm aware that she's put out three solo albums and opened for some big bands, but I've put out two albums and opened for big bands too, and I've gone nowhere in the last 4 years. It's not hard to get local opening gigs and to put up money to release your own material.
Zayra at least has the guts to do something different and some people might find her absolutely awful, but she has style coming out of her ass, and will make it big. I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money on it. Her original song was amazing.
As of now, I'm voting for Ryan. At least some people are still treating singing like an emotional extension of themselves. Dilana and Lukas can jump in front of a train for all i care.

I'll gladly put $100 on it that Zayra's 15 is way, way up. Style? Please. Looking like an Oscar statute in a top hat is not style. Different does not always mean original. In her case, different meant "should be committed".

As for Patrice, off-key doesn't paint the whole picture. She was singing in completely the wrong key. It was strange, and as like me you must have relative/perfect pitch, sounded totally wrong. I wouldn't worry much, she's gone this week unless someone does something completely off the reservation.

crankyman 08-19-06 11:37 AM

the only one i look forward to hearing any more is zayra. not because i like her that much (although, her original song was not bad) but just because she's weird as hell and i like that.

she'll have a career somewhere if she wants one.

now....all of these lead singers should be fronting a band like green day or keane or something....not a hard rocking band.....err...wait....what kind of music are they going to play?

what i'm really waiting to see is which of supernova breaks their hip on stage first.

Joeboo835 08-19-06 02:39 PM

Interesting comment in Dave's blog about the track Supernova played this past week (with Dilana singing)

"Now for the track. Obviously many people didn't like the new Supernova track. What can I tell ya? That is clearly the direction they have chosen to go with in this band. "

Is it safe to read into this comment that he doesn't like their music?

clckworang 08-19-06 03:07 PM

OK, I don't remember seeing this link posted on here yet, so I thought I would share. This is a Dilana music video obviously before this competition. And all I can say is, Whoah. Is that really Dilana? It definitely makes me look at her in a different way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODc8bTMMTC0

Rocketdog2000 08-19-06 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by freshticles
I'm sorry but now besides being completely boring and unmemorable, Patrice can add off-key, unoriginal and shitty to her long list of things that will prevent her of having a career. Yes, I'm aware that she's put out three solo albums and opened for some big bands, but I've put out two albums and opened for big bands too, and I've gone nowhere in the last 4 years. It's not hard to get local opening gigs and to put up money to release your own material.

Well, you forgot to add also signed to a major label during her tenure with Sister 7, and the albums they put out, too. But, whatever. You seem to be confusing what you consider your own lack of success with whether or not it means she has a career or not. But here's the thing... If making music, performing live, and putting out albums is your fulltime money making gig - it's a career. It's what you're doing for a living. Doesn't mean that you're necessarily successfull at it, but it is a career. And depsite what you may think, and depening on where you live, it IS hard getting local opening gigs, and to get money together to make, put out, and market albums. Especially if you want it to be of any sort of quality and successfull.

That aside, just curious what albums did you put out? Part of a band, or solo? Wondering if I've ever heard of you - in a completely curious not being a jerk kind way. I will not rip on you about this, just wanted to know, is all.



Zayra at least has the guts to do something different and some people might find her absolutely awful, but she has style coming out of her ass, and will make it big. I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money on it. Her original song was amazing.
Never said Zayra didn't have style - well, that's mostly what she does have going for her - just that she was never, in any way, right for THIS competition. And THAT is what this competion is all about. I can see her being a huge star in her native country, or in the Latin market. Like I said in an earlier post, I agree with Dave's statement that she should go out and start a solo career. But fronting Supernova - it was NEVER going to happen.



As of now, I'm voting for Ryan. At least some people are still treating singing like an emotional extension of themselves. Dilana and Lukas can jump in front of a train for all i care.

I wouldn't put my money on Ryan, either. He's ok, at best, but he's got a lot of work to do before he can truly command a stage. A coffee house or small, small club - which I'm quite sure he's used to - o.k. But he's yet to impress me in any way, shape or form. The biggest thing about him that's always bugged me, is his early critisim and questioning of whether other people should be in this competetion, when he clearly never considered whether or not he was in the same boat with them - which he is/was. In reality, unless he can pull off something pretty major, he's only got a week or two left himself.

The final four's going to come down to Magni, Lukas, Storm and Dilanna. I think that would be a pretty safe bet.

MASAMUNE2 08-19-06 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by clckworang
OK, I don't remember seeing this link posted on here yet, so I thought I would share. This is a Dilana music video obviously before this competition. And all I can say is, Whoah. Is that really Dilana? It definitely makes me look at her in a different way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODc8bTMMTC0



Utter garbage in my opinion.

And if you watch the Rockstar webisodes, it confirms her song-writing is absolutely horrendous. I can't see Supernova choosing her to front the band because of her weak musicianship. But maybe Supernova will choose to have both a male and female singer (a la Lacuna Coil or Evanescence) then I can see her winning.

movieking 08-19-06 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by Joeboo835
Interesting comment in Dave's blog about the track Supernova played this past week (with Dilana singing)

"Now for the track. Obviously many people didn't like the new Supernova track. What can I tell ya? That is clearly the direction they have chosen to go with in this band. "

Is it safe to read into this comment that he doesn't like their music?

Sounds like it, for sure. Very interesting. I wonder if there is any animosity between Dave and the band for any reason?

Bill Needle 08-20-06 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by clckworang
OK, I don't remember seeing this link posted on here yet, so I thought I would share. This is a Dilana music video obviously before this competition. And all I can say is, Whoah. Is that really Dilana? It definitely makes me look at her in a different way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODc8bTMMTC0

Where did this clip of Dilana remaking a Brooke Hogan video come from?

Seriously, that was just awful. But it's too bad that rather than the cartoony Halloween freak she chose to portray on the show she doesn't look more like that instead.

freshticles 08-20-06 05:07 PM

I guess I should have added that I knew there was no chance of Zayra winning and that I know Ryan's not going to win also although Rocketdog, I believe you're wrong. Ryan might have a 'coffeehouse' style voice, but that guy can project and sing better than anyone else on that stage. When it all comes down to it, Supernova isn't looking for different or emotional. They're looking for bankability and that usually comes down to look and in a weird sort of way, unoriginality. I find it humorous how Gilby can say something like 'That sounded like Lilith Fair, We're looking for OZZFEST" when they sound like bar band filled with 45 year old dad's with daytime jobs.
As far as the band I was in it wasn't anything major. I was in a punk/hardcore band called New world on fire. Never had any big success. Opened for some bigger bands and toured across the country a few times but that's about it.

Dr. Henry Jones, Jr. 08-20-06 08:02 PM

Songs for this week:

Spoiler:

Dilana: Every Breath You Take
Storm: Cryin
Magni: Smells Like Teen Spirit
Tobi: Layla
Lukas: ??? wasn't mentioned on the web episode
Ryan & Patrice: Original Songs


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