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Old 04-06-06 | 01:35 AM
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-Locke has not told anyone about his legs healing
I'm pretty sure he told Walt. In the 1st season he mentioned he had a secret to tell Walt and something about a miracle. They never showed him actually telling Walt but the implication was there.


Originally Posted by mbs
According to that disgruntled writer who left after the first season (I forget the exact details, but thought he was a pretty big writer of the first season), they don't have a plan at all. It is all ad-libbed each week and they only attempt to tie in past events. Take that for what it is worth, from a disgruntled former writer.

I should look for that article, that came out around the time of the start of season 2. Does anyone have it handy?
A lot of mystery writers work that way. They begin writing a novel without knowing where its going to go or how its going to end.
Old 04-06-06 | 01:37 AM
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What's the deal with the counter next week?
Old 04-06-06 | 02:07 AM
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I assume this 'disgruntled writer' is former ANGEL/Buffy writer-producer David Fury?
Old 04-06-06 | 02:23 AM
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I think the magnet pulling the food in theory is off because the food was on wooden skids. Charlie brought one to Eko so he could use the wood for whatever he's building. Magnets don't affect wood. I didn't see any metal at all near, under, or around the food.

So maybe the "magnet" is pulling whatever drops the food to make sure it drops near Swan.

Or perhaps the "magnet" isn't a magnet, but an electro-magnetic signal of some sort.
Old 04-06-06 | 02:35 AM
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OK, I think nothing happens with the numbers and execute, but there is no proof yet. You can't belive fake Henry until you see it. For all we know something does happen if they're not entered in time, and maybe he wants Locke not to enter them.
Maybe, but what is there to gain when he could have just not entered them himself?
Old 04-06-06 | 02:36 AM
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I had a feeling during the ep that Libby was gonna wind up in the hospital with Hurley. Wonder if she was a patient first or a doctor first.

I think she frowned at the end at something Hurley said and she was like "yeah if you only knew I'm half a lunatic too". Like who is she to give advice. I can't remember what Hurley last said to her though.

We still don't know why Fake Henry didn't run when he had the chance. Why would he just stand there and not make an escape if he wasn't going to push the button anyway? What was he doing those few moments when Locke was calling him?

Here's a thought: What if all the survivors are Kevin Finnerty???????????????
Old 04-06-06 | 04:40 AM
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I really don't think there is anything more to the countdown than keeping one half of the team of two in the hatch every 108 minutes. I'm sure there is an overall reason "they" don't want them exploring, but I don't think the countdown has an end effect or that anything really happens because of it; it's just to keep at least half of the team in check at that point in time.

Is it possible that Hanso is the "he" Henry is afraid of, or would he just be a regular doctor in Dharma's group?
Old 04-06-06 | 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGodfather
I had a feeling during the ep that Libby was gonna wind up in the hospital with Hurley. Wonder if she was a patient first or a doctor first.
I don't think she was ever a doctor. IMO all her "shrink-speak" was picked up by the doctors talking to her.
Old 04-06-06 | 06:54 AM
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Wow, four pages and no one mentions this mind-blower:

The picture behind the couch in the doctor's office was one of an ISLAND.

Certainly lends creedence to what Dave was saying now, doesn't it?
Old 04-06-06 | 07:01 AM
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I was disappointed with this episode. The only thing that I really got from it was the details on Hurley's accident. As soon as we saw Dave for the first time, I knew that he wasn't real. It was just too obvious. No one acknowledged his yelling, no one looked at him. The nurse that gave Hurley his meds didn't make eye contact. The doctor didn't acknowledge Dave until Hurley said that he was there with him. The picture was an obvious set up for later when we would see Hurley was alone. It was so blatantly obvious that it really dragged the episode down for me.

Ditto for the Libby reveal. I thought that you could see it coming a mile away. In the meanwhile, I am not totally convinced that she is not some kind of analyst. All kinds of people end up in psych wards, so it wouldn't surprise me if she was legit. Maybe she was distraught over the death of a family member caused by too many people on a patio?

My question is: who did Hurley kill? Libby's brother? Locke's Helen? Sayid's Nadia? You know that there is going to be some connection with who died and people on the island.

I would be shocked if Eko is not building a church.

Even though it was his stash, I am surprised that Hurley destroyed all that food. There are other people on the island! He did this before he knew about the replenished supply.
Old 04-06-06 | 07:06 AM
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Were they actually trying to cover up Eko's tattoos with make-up, or were they just really faded?
Old 04-06-06 | 07:21 AM
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So, is it true, no sane woman would go for a guy like Hurley, so that makes Libby insane!!!
Old 04-06-06 | 07:25 AM
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how did A-L know about the "guy with the beard"? Did Jack tell her about him, or did she meet him at some point?
Old 04-06-06 | 07:30 AM
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More and more I'm thinking they've brought back some first season writers who were on hiatus to pen the last couple episodes. The only scene I had a problem with last night was Hurley and Libby trashing his food stash. With the kind of guy Hurley is, it seems he would've just decided to distribute the rest of his horde to the other survivors, instead of carpeting the jungle floor with it. Other than that, though, the episode was great.

I really like that they're re-establishing the malevolence of the island. It seems like we went quite a while without any 'oh shit' moments. I'm thinking back around the time that the others confronted Jack, Sawyer and Locke. At that point, it seemed almost like there were just some crazy scientists on the island and, other than an unhealthy interest in the younger members of the survivors' community, they were happy to go about their business in a 'you don't fuck with us, we won't fuck with you' manner. Claire's flashback, fake Henry and Hurley's near-suicide have all gone a long way in re-establishing a very threatening atmosphere.

One thing I found interesting that I haven't seen mentioned: assuming the survivors' hallucinations are caused by the island, this is the first time we've seen one really go after somebody. The visions of Jack's dad and Kate's horse seemed to just be devices to trigger flashbacks. Charlie's visions might have caused him to go a little crazy, but they weren't actively persuading him to do anything. Last night was the first time we've seen 'the island' really try to sink it's teeth into someone and it was almost enough to talk Hurley into killing himself. If fake Henry's telling the truth about not punching in the numbers, I'm thinking maybe something in the island's defense mechanism changed and we'll start seeing more of the sickness that Rousseau always goes on about.
Old 04-06-06 | 07:34 AM
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The real twist would have been if they made Dave real.
Old 04-06-06 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by movieking
I would be shocked if Eko is not building a church.
Originally Posted by Joeboo835
I think Eko is building a church.
Eko already told someone (Ana Lucia?) he was building a church. This was maybe 4-5 episodes ago (somewhere during "Charlie's mad" and "Let's build an army").
Old 04-06-06 | 08:21 AM
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^ I don't think so. Eko has never said what he is building. It has all been assumed on this board that it's a church. You are probably referring to the "Baptism" episode which had a lot of religious things going on, but not once was a church mentioned by Eko.

Originally Posted by aktick
-Henry didn't enter the numbers. I'm sure he's telling the truth. And apparently the sound we heard the first time Locke didn't get the numbers entered in time WAS the magnet powering up. So I think it's safe to assume it pulled the food parachute in.
I disagree completely.

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Am I the only one thinking it might be TOO obvious that the doors closing, the magnet powering up, and the food landing were all related? I think maybe that's just what they want us to think, and like Molson said, "Henry" might have just said he didn't enter the numbers so Locke won't do it sometime.
I think this was the biggest reveal of the episode. That along with Gale saying the bearded guy is nothing. About being an Other, Gale told Locke "Why would I go through all this? To accomplish what?" Then IMMEDIATELY following that, he goes into the story of him not putting in the numbers and them doing nothing. Then proceeding to tell Locke, "This time, I'm being honest."

It seemed like a Sixth Sense moment to me. HJO telling Bruce Willis he sees dead people. Gale is yanking Locke's chain.

Sure he may have let the numbers go that once, and he would be "honest" about that part, but I think it does do something and he is there to get Locke , Jack, et al. to stop entering the numbers altogether.

Only question to me is why now? Why not go at the hatch when Desmond was the only one there? IMO, he remained in the hatch and was a loyal "subject," Whereas the survivors are all over the island wreaking havoc, running around with guns killing polar bears and whatnot.

Originally Posted by mbs
According to that disgruntled writer who left after the first season (I forget the exact details, but thought he was a pretty big writer of the first season), they don't have a plan at all. It is all ad-libbed each week and they only attempt to tie in past events. Take that for what it is worth, from a disgruntled former writer.

I should look for that article, that came out around the time of the start of season 2. Does anyone have it handy?
I remember reading that and I thought his point was they know how they want it to end, it is the journey that they have no clue about.

I love how people bitch that Hurly is only the fat comic relief, then they give him a serious character driven episode and then people bitch that it was boring, totally predictible and nothing happened. Lose-Lose situation.

I loved this episode, it was very much in line with the first season.

I am looking forward to Libby's backstory. Hopefully we will get one before the season is up.
Old 04-06-06 | 08:59 AM
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what if the group led by Mr. Friendly are in need of supplies, so they send Gale in to get into the bunker and get the delivery made (by not entering the numbers)? Perhaps this is the only way to actually get the drop done, and I highly doubt that they could just ask Jack and company to not enter the numbers so that can get it.
Old 04-06-06 | 09:08 AM
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If the island is quarentined how would Desmond know to go out and get the food supplies?
Old 04-06-06 | 09:30 AM
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how do we know Desmond wasn't involved with the "Others." Perhaps he was working with them, and when Jack and co. moved in, he ran back to the others. That would explain why they needed to get someone inside.
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Random ? : Whatever happened to Walt's dog?
Old 04-06-06 | 09:53 AM
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Random ? : Whatever happened to Walt's dog?
Hurley ate it a couple of episodes back.
Old 04-06-06 | 09:56 AM
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Well, thanks to M Night Shamalamanann (whatever), and to a certain extent Fight Club, I knew Dave wasn't real from the start, although I was starting to doubt myself near the end. I would of been (and I guess it's still possible) pretty mad should this all be in Hurley's mind.
I guess it was sort of a throwaway line, but Charlie said that maybe the blast doors closed so people couldn't see where the food drops are coming from. I tend to agree with that. The magnet didn't start up until the counter reached zero. The blast doors were already closed when that happened. The last time we saw the symbols on the counter, we heard the magnet fire up, but the blast doors didn't come down.
Old 04-06-06 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by suziq999
Random ? : Whatever happened to Walt's dog?
Didn't it go off with Michael when he went to find Walt?
Old 04-06-06 | 10:00 AM
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It seems pretty clear that the numbers aren't related to the food drop. I would say that was a coincedence.

I think that "Henry" finally gave Locke some serious answers at the end -- "This? This is a joke." Seems pretty clear to me that he's telling Locke that Swan station is some kind of psych experiment to see how long people would push the button.

I think that Sayid firing the gun at Henry shook him up a little bit. He might not give the answers they want, but he's going to be more careful about his lies. I think the "joke" line was the truth. Sayid/Ana-L/Jack have hurt Henry so he hurt Locke with a little bit of truth.


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