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Old 01-25-06 | 08:48 PM
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Holy crap, Locke with the three punch KO.
Old 01-25-06 | 08:53 PM
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I have to say I feel bad for Charlie. I really didn't like how everyone turned their back on him after Locke beat the crap out of him. I can't believe out of all those people, none of them would have sympathy for Charlie.
Old 01-25-06 | 08:57 PM
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Why keep the heroin? Just destroy it all so there is no chance of anyone getting it
Old 01-25-06 | 08:58 PM
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Who knows, future use perhaps? Nice Statues?

No new episodes for a few weeks, ABC is starting to piss me off with that shit.

and from the preview..
Spoiler:
I like Sun dammit..


Good episode for character drama, even if nothing on the island happend. I'm glad they didn't make Charlie "in" again by the end of the episode (would have made it filler), but seeing as he's now an outsider, there's possible plot threads to come.
Old 01-25-06 | 09:00 PM
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I got a good chuckle out of Sawyer calling Hurley "Jabba".
Old 01-25-06 | 09:05 PM
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Decent episode. While Charlie deserved an ass-kicking for taking the baby, Locke is now my least favorite character. He's seems to be more of a control freak each episode. If Charlie wants to do heroin it's nobody's business. And after taking the heroin, he keeps it. wtf?
Spoiler:
The only reason I could think of is to control Charlie at some point in the future. Plus in the previews for the next ep he hidden the guns from everyone?
Was he changing to combo to open the gun safe at the end of the ep?
Old 01-25-06 | 09:05 PM
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Who wrote this episode? The exchange between Jack and Anna Lucia was GOD AWFUL.

"You hittin' that?"
"You're hot, she's hot..."
"that's what people do"

Decent episode, but that scene had some of the worst dialogue I've ever heard. Yikes.
Old 01-25-06 | 09:05 PM
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Locke had no right to hit Charlie like that. You just don't go hitting someone like that. He could of really hurt Charlie. I hate Locke now.

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Old 01-25-06 | 09:08 PM
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Yet another worthless flashback. The island stuff was ok. It had actually been awhile since there was some decent character interaction. Ana Lucia is almost tolerable when she's alone with Jack.


Overall it was a mediocre episode. I'm guessing they're saving all the good stuff for sweeps(either that or Season 3).
Old 01-25-06 | 09:09 PM
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God, this episode friggin suck and I think this is the first I say that. Hobbit must DIE!
Old 01-25-06 | 09:10 PM
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I don't understand it, I usually hate the hobbit..but didn't tonight.
Old 01-25-06 | 09:11 PM
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So, I guess it's safe to assume Eko is not really a priest, since he took over after his brother was killed, and therefore Claire and baby are not batized. Will this come into play later?
I hope not, because I hope they keep religion out of the main story lines.
Old 01-25-06 | 09:12 PM
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I rewatched the entire first season of Lost this past weekend with some friends. It was a great marathon with one of the best single seasons of a TV show ever. It's absolutely like watching a 24-hour-long (or so) high-quality movie, with a complete storyline, a compelling narrative that feels true, and characters who grow, develop, and behave in believable ways as the story progresses.

Doing so reminded me of how much worse season 2 has been. This episode did nothing to change that opinion. All of the characters seem to have gone insane, acting in ways that are contrary to what they've done in the past, and the story doesn't appear to be going anywhere. It feels as though the writers are really stretching to find something, anything to happen.

Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'll like it more when season 2 comes out on DVD and I can watch it straight through. All I know is that with the exception of 1 or 2 episodes, this season has felt disjointed and meandering to me, as though I'm watching a completely different show than the one from last year.
Old 01-25-06 | 09:12 PM
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Charlie says he isn't using, so I assume he isn't at this time. Still not so cool of Locke to beat him down like that, his character seems to be changing a lot more. It's like the creators knew people were big fans of him, so they thought they should make him more of a badass. Isn't working though. And whatever he's doing with the guns looks like bad news.

Noticed Charlie and his brother living near the Brixton tube stop in London. Probably best known to Americans from The Clash song "The Guns Of Brixton".

When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun


Just makes you wonder about what role those guns are going to play.

Of course there is also every possibility that I'm reading way too much into that scene. Still, they made the sign so obvious, it makes me feel like it really means something, especially on this show.

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Old 01-25-06 | 09:14 PM
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GREAT episode. I love this show and all, but that was the first episode that I actually want to watch again. Figures that it's the first since we canceled Tivo...
Old 01-25-06 | 09:16 PM
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I'm sorry, but Charlies deserved his ass beating. He endangered everyone on the island with that fire and endangered the baby by running off with him towards the water. I really cannot understand or emphasize with his motivations during this episode.

Disapponting episode.
Old 01-25-06 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MoviePage
I rewatched the entire first season of Lost this past weekend with some friends. It was a great marathon with one of the best single seasons of a TV show ever. It's absolutely like watching a 24-hour-long (or so) high-quality movie, with a complete storyline, a compelling narrative that feels true, and characters who grow, develop, and behave in believable ways as the story progresses.

Doing so reminded me of how much worse season 2 has been. This episode did nothing to change that opinion. All of the characters seem to have gone insane, acting in ways that are contrary to what they've done in the past, and the story doesn't appear to be going anywhere. It feels as though the writers are really stretching to find something, anything to happen.

Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'll like it more when season 2 comes out on DVD and I can watch it straight through. All I know is that with the exception of 1 or 2 episodes, this season has felt disjointed and meandering to me, as though I'm watching a completely different show than the one from last year.
I agree, it's kind of making me sad. A lot of the mystery and fun of season 1 is completely gone.. wonder if David Fury took THAT much away with him. Doubt it but 'eh. I think they're stretching it for ABC's sake.

But... I like the characters a lot still, and will continue tuning in, until it officially jumps the shark. And I DO still enjoy the show a good deal more than just about anything else on TV.
Old 01-25-06 | 09:19 PM
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I, for one, loved Locke kicking Charlie's ass. About damn time. I don't think they are forcing the Locke character to do more, I just think they are showing how he is changing, especially after the let down of what the hatch was.

What really annoys me is how they are dragging out Charlie's addiction and those statues. There have been 2 or 3 episodes now centered around Charlie trying to decide whether to quit and give up the heroine or not - and he STILL hasn't made a final decision, and the heroine is still in play. I felt more sympathetic for Charlie this episode than any other, but he's gotta make a decision and be done with it - I still think he's got an itch to use again in the back of his mind.
Old 01-25-06 | 09:20 PM
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So, I guess it's safe to assume Eko is not really a priest, since he took over after his brother was killed, and therefore Claire and baby are not batized. Will this come into play later?
I hope not, because I hope they keep religion out of the main story lines.
anyone can baptize someone, dont have to be a priest to do it.
Old 01-25-06 | 09:21 PM
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Charlie really has a Rotten brother. The Piano was Charlie's. His Brother had no right to just take it and sell it.
Old 01-25-06 | 09:24 PM
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They didn't air the preview where I'm at. Is it online yet?
Old 01-25-06 | 09:26 PM
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Charlie really has a Rotten brother. The Piano was Charlie's. His Brother had no right to just take it and sell it.
Yeah, we learned in season one that his brother was pretty rotten, but it was believable at that point. Now we know that he's not just rotten, he's Rotten! Next season he'll drive by the island on a speedboat, wave to Charlie, and keep going. Cuz he's Rotten!
Old 01-25-06 | 09:28 PM
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I don't know what to think about this episode because nothing happened except Charlie went nuts for some strange reason that was never explained for the entire 60 minutes. Nothing but a filler and a terrible one at that.
Old 01-25-06 | 09:30 PM
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Anyone ever read The Violent Bear It Away by Flannery O'Connor? This episode made me think of it.
Old 01-25-06 | 09:39 PM
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I see Charlie getting progrerssivly crazier and further ostracized...forcing him out of the camp, and perhaps INTO the others...BUT if they just completly drop this storyline, then this sucked


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