Lost 01/12/05
01-13-05 | 11:45 AM
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Re: John Locke - from imdb
As for the hallucination, I think it was part real part fantasy. I think Sawyer is a big clue. What are the odds of two people passing by in a police station a day or two before they are on the exact same flight? His mind was adding elements to his memory that weren't there before. I think he has a crush on sis, but I don't think they hooked up. Again, his fantasy. Part real/part fantasy would also account for Bronkster's point. Maybe Locke just knocked him out and applied the salve while he lay there. His mind fantasized he was tied up. He was worried about sis and is worried about the monster, so he fantasizes them up as well. Runs through the jungle in a drug induced haze.
Just my opinion.
John Locke is named after English philosopher John Locke, who theorized that before modern society, people lived in the wild in a state of equality and happiness. Likewise, Danielle Rousseau is named for Jean Jacques Rousseau, a French philosopher who wrote that society is corrupt, and that when removed from society, man can become truly noble.
Just my opinion.
01-13-05 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by riley_dude
In the year that I have had tivo, I have never had something on Season pass NOT record. Last night it didnt record Lost. Ughhhh.
Does anyone know of a place that gives a synopsis?
Does anyone know of a place that gives a synopsis?
(Check your Recording History: you may have had a higher-priority recording overlap with Lost's screwy airtime.)
01-13-05 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I think Sawyer is a big clue. What are the odds of two people passing by in a police station a day or two before they are on the exact same flight? His mind was adding elements to his memory that weren't there before.
Now that part I believed.
01-13-05 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
What are the odds of two people passing by in a police station a day or two before they are on the exact same flight?
I could believe just about anything at this point. However, I do believe that the flashbacks were true, because of the way in which they were presented.
01-13-05 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Yes, and it's also very interesting that we've seen Locke use their weaknesses to gain their loyalty. Charlie's heroin addiction, and Boone's feelings for his sister.
Also notice that he's been driving a wedge between Michael and Walt... again, preying on a weakness.
So if he's going to use Shannon to get to Sayid, then we've already seen that Sayid feels guilt/regret over his female friend...
I remember in early interviews/comments that Locke was often compared to Randall Flagg. (In "The Stand," the demonic Flagg also preyed upon the weaknesses of his followers in order to gain their loyalty.)
And this episode, we also saw Jack seemingly growing suspicious of Locke's motives. He doesn't seem to trust him.
If the islanders are breaking down into two camps, it's starting to look like this:
JACK: Kate, Sayid, Michael, Sun
LOCKE: Charlie, Boone, Walt, Shannon(?), Jin(? there's a wedge waiting to be driven between him and his wife), Sayid(?)
and where would Sawyer fall? My gut instinct says in the Jack/Kate camp. He seems to be set up to achieve some form of redemption.
Also notice that he's been driving a wedge between Michael and Walt... again, preying on a weakness.
So if he's going to use Shannon to get to Sayid, then we've already seen that Sayid feels guilt/regret over his female friend...
I remember in early interviews/comments that Locke was often compared to Randall Flagg. (In "The Stand," the demonic Flagg also preyed upon the weaknesses of his followers in order to gain their loyalty.)
And this episode, we also saw Jack seemingly growing suspicious of Locke's motives. He doesn't seem to trust him.
If the islanders are breaking down into two camps, it's starting to look like this:
JACK: Kate, Sayid, Michael, Sun
LOCKE: Charlie, Boone, Walt, Shannon(?), Jin(? there's a wedge waiting to be driven between him and his wife), Sayid(?)
and where would Sawyer fall? My gut instinct says in the Jack/Kate camp. He seems to be set up to achieve some form of redemption.
Also, seeing Locke whack Boone over the head makes me wonder if he wasn't the one who clocked Sayid a few episodes back.
01-13-05 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Also, seeing Locke whack Boone over the head makes me wonder if he wasn't the one who clocked Sayid a few episodes back.
01-13-05 | 12:41 PM
#157
Originally Posted by DarkestPhoenix
Yes, I heard it. Why, then, would you walk all the way out there just to sit and look at for days on end? I'm sure that would get old as shit after an hour. AND I'm sure Boone wouldn't have stood for it.
Um, that was EXACTLY the point Locke was making with the Michelangelo story. Michelangelo stared at the block of stone for months before he ever touched it, working on it in his mind, until he began to carve it. since he had spent so much time thinking about it, he had little difficulty carving it into his masterpiece.
Locke is saying that if they sit there and think about ways to open the hatch, rather than just go willy-nilly trying to bust it open, they will eventually reach the correct conclusion.
01-13-05 | 01:39 PM
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We need to compile a list of questions raised and yet to be answered, and check them off as they do get answered. I already forgot that we still don't know who whacked Sayid earlier in the season.
01-13-05 | 01:54 PM
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I also started suspecting Locke is the person who hit Sayid over the head when Locke hit Boone on the head. But I'm trying to think of a motive for Locke to hit Sayid on the head. And I couldn't come up with anything. Unless maybe Locke did it to teach Sayid a lesson like he did with Boone.
01-13-05 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
Ryan and Lindsay are not 'step-siblings.' She would be his pseudo-aunt.
01-13-05 | 02:24 PM
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Unfortunately, I hadn't read any of the other threads with the theories on Boone and Shannon's relationship, but it makes sense that they're not related by blood as she nagged him way too much to just be his brother.
I wonder why Locke is so interested in Boone?? Does he think that if he releases Boone's mind from his obsessivenss with Shannon, he'll be able to possibly assist with finding a way into that capsule in the ground?
Excellent episode. Hurley's scenes were great comic relief.
Sawyer was at the police station for being typical Sawyer - con artist.
I wonder why Locke is so interested in Boone?? Does he think that if he releases Boone's mind from his obsessivenss with Shannon, he'll be able to possibly assist with finding a way into that capsule in the ground?
Excellent episode. Hurley's scenes were great comic relief.
Sawyer was at the police station for being typical Sawyer - con artist.
01-13-05 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
I think it was Locke that hit Sayid. Couple that with the faulty compass he gave him. Seems like he's trying to keep the most competent person from getting them of the island.
This may also be the reason that Locke wanted to free Shannon from Boone, so that Sayid is preoccupied with other activities to slow his progress on finding a way off the island or understanding the island more.
01-13-05 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JMLEWIS1
I can't say it's slow, because it's definitely not slow, but they just aren't giving me enough to stay hooked rather than just giving up out of sheer frustration.
People will keep watching to find out these things. But if they reveal everything too quickly and get to where there's nothing more to reveal, then they will lose viewers as not as many will want what would then really just be a fictional Survivor.
I at least am fascinated by the island, somewhat interested in the characters backstories, and really don't care much about the relationships among them in the present. That's of the least interest to me.
01-13-05 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sparrow
Sawyer was at the police station for being typical Sawyer - con artist.
And cuz he hit some dude(or chick who knows) in the head with a bottle.
01-13-05 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kenage
Does anyone remember if Boone had the knife in his hand when he attacked Locke?
My impressions:
1) Locke DID smack Boone in the head with the knife
2) Locke DID tied Boone up
3) Locke DID smear some kind of goo on Boone's wound that caused the hallucinations
4) Locke DID NOT tie up Shannon (it was a hallucination)
5) Boone DID NOT encounter the "monster" (same as above)
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01-13-05 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
I guess this means you were snookered. 
Like others said, it just didn't feel right; Boone getting knocked out, the voice coming from different directions, and Locke being able to go back to the beach, abduct her in daylight, and then bring her all the way back there. Plus as someone who watched Dallas in the 80s (a whole season of deception), I don't always take things at face value, particularly on a show like this.
Like others said, it just didn't feel right; Boone getting knocked out, the voice coming from different directions, and Locke being able to go back to the beach, abduct her in daylight, and then bring her all the way back there. Plus as someone who watched Dallas in the 80s (a whole season of deception), I don't always take things at face value, particularly on a show like this.
01-13-05 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mookiemeister
I also started suspecting Locke is the person who hit Sayid over the head when Locke hit Boone on the head. But I'm trying to think of a motive for Locke to hit Sayid on the head. And I couldn't come up with anything. Unless maybe Locke did it to teach Sayid a lesson like he did with Boone.
01-13-05 | 06:51 PM
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Well, Red Dog, I'm not saying you didn't know, but I am saying that there is no way in hell that so many people could post how they hated Shannon dying and NOT ONE FUCKING POST about it all being 'imaginary'. That doesn't add up. Especially since now half the people are saying they knew. 
Easy to come on here and theorize after the event's already taken place...
Easy to come on here and theorize after the event's already taken place...
01-13-05 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mookiemeister
I also started suspecting Locke is the person who hit Sayid over the head when Locke hit Boone on the head. But I'm trying to think of a motive for Locke to hit Sayid on the head. And I couldn't come up with anything. Unless maybe Locke did it to teach Sayid a lesson like he did with Boone.
And whoever thought the French woman did it....ugh. She didn't even know these guys were here, then.