Me neither. As you put it, it is plainly obvious that the two had sex. End of story.

im gonna be so mad if we get to the end and everything is a dream a la felicity

I'm surprised no-one has come up with the most obvious explanation of all - that the island is a ultra-secret Japanese research facility that was forgotten about in the aftermath of WWII. The metal "chamber" and the magnetic disturbances are indications of a vast underground complex.

The scientists, not knowing the war was over, continued their research and could have made some rather astounding breakthroughs in the field of mind control. Think about it - you could do a lot in 60 years with a team of scientists and their descendants.

Admittedly, being called a bullshitting liar does put me on the defense.

Let me just state ONCE for the record

IF THE FLASHBACKS ARE LIES/UNTRUE, Then the show is not worth watching/unwatchable. Trying to figure out the story becomes impossible and therefore useless.

What is not to get about this theory. And that is all it is, a theory. I didn't say all the flashbacks and I didn't even say all of boone's flashback. I'm saying the following:

Everyone else was lucid when they had their flashbacks, so what we saw was for all intent purposes TRUE. Boone was on some kind of hallucinagin when he had his. All I'm saying is that there IS a possiblity that some of Boones's was fantasy(seeing Sawyer, sleeping with sis) because of the drugs, it may be a small possibility, but some nonetheless.

I mean when you are tripping don't you see things a tad differently than normal? If not what is the point of drugs/hallucinagins/etc? Who's to say he didn't try and force himself on her and that is why she is pissed? I mean in is drug induced haze he could just see it as "they hooked up." Same with Sawyer, maybe he saw a guy that looked like him at the police station, but with the drugs running through him, he put Sawyers face on the guy?

I'm just saying it isn't entirely outside the realm of possibilty. He was drugged.

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They weren't related by blood at all were they? It doesn't seem like it from how they were talking about their parents.



Sick? Uh, how could that be sick? I mean, um, they're not even really related. Right?

I just hope that this show doesn't turn into either "Twin Peaks", where there was a HUGE build up around "Who Killed Laura Palmer?" and then a (I'm sorry) bullshit answer or the X-Files, where there were nine years of mysterious questions before you got any real answers to anything (and some would argue that a lot of those answers were BS also).

In a nutshell, I'm just hoping that the seeming originality of this show is at least real and not a hallucination.

To be fair most of the X-files big plotlines/questions were solved long before season 9. They cleared a lot of it up around season 7 before the big transition. The finale was just for those who either 1. quit tuning in a few years back, or 2. couldn't put all the pieces together themself.

I hadn't been thinking that the flashbacks were the memories of the person involved that week (in this case, Boone), but were a form within the show of letting us, the viewer, in on the background of that person. That being said, Boone's flashback, to me, had nothing to do with whether he was drugged or not because it was not him remembering it as we watched it. It took me awhile to realize that the other perception here is that the character is having these flashback memories as the story unfolds. I suppose either could be the case, but I'm gonna stick with what works for me.

The X-Files never resoved anything in a satisfying way, though. They just drug shit out until you quit fucking caring...

Mulder's sister, and what happened to her.
The bees.
The black oil shit.
The smallpox shots.
The alien bounty hunter.
The clones.

I watched most of the series and the finale, and I can't remember whether half of this crap tied together or not.

Ahh. See, that could be a HUGE reason for the differences of opinions. I assumed that the flashbacks were the result of the character thinking/remembering about them. I never really thought of it as just a tool. There were just things in each ep. that led me to think that. I'm gonna have to go back and watch again now.

That's my fear about Lost, that things will be incessantly strung along, and end up merged loosely with newer twists so that stuff will just never make proper sense (such as the thing in the jungle).

For the record, I thought the same thing. I never thought that these were direct flashbacks from the person's memory. The "flashbacks" were a TV tool to tell us more about the people on the island (as far as I knew).

I can't remember any specific instances where the flashback tied directly to something going on with the person "now" but I could be wrong.

I haven't been reading for a few days, just zipped through what I missed, so sorry if this has been beaten to death already...

The compass thing: if it was a magnetic force on the island making Locke's compass screwey, wouldn't Sayid's self-made one be doing the same thing? I didn't think it was.

I'm of the opinion that the backstories aren't actually the current thoughts of the character they are about.

I think Boone was tied up, but am not sure what caused his hallucination, or if he actually was being chased by the "monster." I'm not sure why he'd be chased by it the same way others were, when I didn't think he was around for any of it's previous showings.

Locke and his "sides" talk is weird. How about having 1 "side"?

Didn't Locke also "save" Jack?

It sure seems that Sawyer is setting up to be a good guy. Do we know how he got to Australia? I thought the last we saw was him running out on the husband/wife/child and revealing that it was he that wrote the letter.

Michael and Walt's backstory will be interesting.

The only thing that so far seems stupid to me: why haven't they circled the island, just to see how big it is? You don't have to go out into the jungle and expose yourself to danger, just walk on the beach/shoreline. I haven't gotten the indication that they've done so.

Isn't that what Sayid was trying to do when he found the French woman?

Very interesting, I could see how it is possible.

See, but they've had flashbacks in almost every single character backstory thus far. Nobody's ever asked about the validity of those, and Charlie was strung out 3/4 of his episode.

That being said, I think it's completely real.

That's what I was trying to say. I think it might be an interesting twist to see that Jack takes Locke's side, leaving only the 'underdog', Sawyer, to fend for the non-believers.

And wasn't Sayid unconscious/drugged during his flashback scenes?

I agree with you. The flashbacks DID HAPPEN. Are the characters thinking about the subject matter of their flashback when they are shown? In most cases, probably. But I think some people are over analyzing certain aspects of the show.

Then you probably should have paid more attention dude..........!

I'm still working my way through Season 1, and as with the last time I don't want to read through the thread b/c I don't want any spoilers.

All I can say after finishing this episode, though, is, "Wow. What a mind f***."