I would have probably agreed that Tony S. would have probably whacked Johnny Sack versus Tony B. if Tony B. had not been lying to him.

Cousin or not Tony B. is a screwup and given the ramifications of each action, knocking off Tony B. has far less headaches associated with it than knocking off Johnny.

We can only hope Little Carmine knocks Johnny off first!

The problem I have w/ thinking TS won't kill TB is that TB has so often undermined TS's authority. That has to wear on TS and he can only tolerate so much of that without losing major face. The rest of his troops know what Tony B. has done so TS can't just ignore it.

I didn't like this episode mainly for the fact that we are 2 episodes away from the end of the season and very little happened outside of a 30 minute dream sequence.

Sure it would have been interesting about 4 or 5 episodes ago, but now it just felt like filler. I wish it would follow more on the story lines, and possibly even wrap up a couple of the smaller stories, than have a weird dream sequence.

I couldn't agree more. People were complaining about previous episodes this season that seemed contained and didn't propel the overall storyline. I don't really understand the praise for this episode. Not much happened and that dream sequence seemed like a huge chunk of wasted time. I'm really enjoying this season, but this was the worst episode so far, IMO.

Don't get me wrong. I liked the dream sequences of past seasons, but each of those only lasted a few minutes, tops.

(And I could care less that no one got whacked this week.)

Angelo got it from Billy and Phil Leotardo. Billy Leotardo got whacked, and Phil was wounded from Tony B which is either gonna result in Tony B's whacking or Johnny Sack and his crew being whacked ..... so what are you talking about?

I put that line in there to state that I'm not one of the much-hated "not enough killing" type of fans when I criticised this episode. Since it seems like a majority on this board liked/loved it, I gotta prevent those flames somehow. The Phil stuff happened off-camera, so I can see how some of those types of fans would complain about the lack of action this week.

Man, I feel like a 'tard. Totally forgot about Angelo. I guess I was so overcome by my feelings of "WTF?" after the episode Sunday night that it slipped my mind.

I could not agree more. I've liked every episode this season so far until this one. It is beyond me how anyone liked this episode. It was easily the worst ever IMO. I really wanted to fast forward through the incredibly long, annoying, and boring dream sequence. I kept thinking to myself, "Just wait, it'll be over soon and have a payoff." It wasn't and didn't. It was the most painful episode of a show I normally like that I've ever seen. What a waste, especially for one of the last few episodes of the season.

I thought it was a great episode! The plot has definitely thickened. We should be in store for some fireworks for these last two episodes of the season.

I really liked the voicemail message that TonyB has on his cellphone...."DO NOT LEAVE MESSAGES ON THIS PHONE!" Hahahaha. I had never really thought about that, but in the age of cellphones, especially being in the mafia, you can never be too safe.

I thought it was an ok episode, although the dream sequence felt a little lame at times. I could just see the writers sitting there stroking their chins saying, "ok, then we'll have them go to dinner, and then we'll have him on a horse! Yes, Tony on his high horse, brilliant!" It definitely felt a little too long. I was getting annoyed because I was tired and getting sleepy and it just didn't feel important to me. But they managed to squeeze some good stuff into the other 20 minutes.

Whether you enjoyed the dream sequence or not, I don't understand why so many of you are saying that nothing happened this week. Angelo paid off Tony B. and got whacked by Bill Leotardo. Bill got whacked by Tony B. and Tony S is now completely aware that Tony B. continues to go rogue. Johnny Sack will probably go to war unless Tony S. does something right quick about Tony B. So the only decision left is go to war with Little Carmine or whack Tony B., which I don't think he'll do, based on his dream.

In his dream, the damage is already done and to me, "finishing the job" means following through on Tony B.'s actions and going to war with Johnny Sack. After all, Tony B. would still be a masseuse if it wasn't for Tony S' insistance on taking on the job with the airbags. Tony S. is ultimately responsible for Tony B. no matter what he's done.

The advancement in the NY/NJ war is reaching its apex. The lines have been drawn in this episode!

The way I see it, I think it's a masterstroke that Tony B. is also named Tony. Because Tony B. went to prison for something that Tony S. was supposed to do but didn't because of his panic attack, Tony B represents Tony S' id (as in the psychiatric use of the word). They were one in the same growing up and that panic attack before Tony B. got busted splintered the life route Tony S. was to take if it weren't for his weakness. Killing Tony B. would be the same as committing suicide.

All the stuff you mention happened in what, 10-15 minutes (and we didn't even get to see part of it)? The dream sequence was just too damn long IMO. It made me want to scream. Just horrible.

I loved the child-like glee on Tony's face after he told Annette Benning that he knew it was her.

I also really liked the scene w/ Tony and the Mercedes salesgirl impersonating Dr. Melfi.

I thought it was great to see Gloria Trillo again. Anna looked fab.

I believe the writers needed to show a catalyst for TonyS to go to war with New York. That catalyst would be his bond to TonyB. It may very well be the only time this show has shown his blood bond being more important than business.

wasn't tony s on the horse supposed to be reminisant of "high noon"?

That dead horse was Pie-O-My


All you people bitching about the dream sequence need to shut up. Don't blame the show if you're too dumb to understand what's going on. Besides, 'IN CAMELOT' is by far the worst of the entire season.

I'm getting the feeling people don't understand how the Sopranos last two seasons are being written. When a 6th season was greenlit (this season was to be the last) and agreed upon, David Chase made a statement that many of you must not have read. The fact is these last two seasons of the Sopranos are being treated as one season from the writing perspective. You have to take Season 5 and 6 as an elongated story arc. Before Season 6 was agreed upon, Chase was going to slam everything into 13 episodes. With Season 6 he now has a chance to spread the "pain" out.

Don't be surprised if there isn't a blockbuster climax at the end of this season. The tension may still be building by the end of this year.

I personally thought this was a great episode just for the fact that it makes you watch it again in order to get your own thoughts out on it.

Okay so Tony B. went after the Leotardos. Obviously since Chris knows it immediately after it happened then everybody knows it. I'm assuming Johnny Sack put the hit out on Angelo and Tony B. hit them back in retaliation.

Now... shouldn't that mean that Sack is now very aware that Tony B. killed his guy a few episodes ago? And since he now positively knows this, won't it have him gunning directly for Tony S.? He promised him at the funeral that if he found out he was lying, that he'd be gunning for him (or something to that effect). At this point, I don't see how Tony S. whacking Tony B. would stop Johnny from coming after him. I assume it will happen, but I also think the Soprano family is going to be in for a serious fight.


As for the episode, it was okay. The dream sequence was cool, but it went longer than I would have liked. It also would have been nice if we'd seen Tony B. go for the Leotardos. I'm still not completely sure which of them he winged and which he killed.

Mordred

If we're so dumb, how are we supposed to know not to complain?

get off your high horse and out of my kitchen.

He winged Phil, who is Johnny Sack's right-hand man.

He killed Bill, who is Phil's brother. I don't think we've ever seen Bill on screen, but if we had, he wasn't a significant character.

The dream would have been better with a red room, strobe lights, a doppelganger Tony, and a little dancing man.

If I'm not mistaken Bill was the one who choked Angelo and threw him in the car.

I hated this episode with intensity. A waste of an hour.

Tony B. could use the Uma Thurman defense... get it? Kill Bill?

[horse reference]Whoa!
Back it down a notch their sister.

Actually, I imagine the group of writers rolling around on the floor laughing over the idea of all the viewers that they just know are gonna spend so much time and energy trying to analyze and look for deep meanings in the dopey nonsensical dream sequence they concocted.