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I assume you're referring to the movies that haven't been released yet? And [i]Crusade[i]?
I guess that just means that I have more great entertainment to look forward to seeing for the first time. :nanner:
I guess that just means that I have more great entertainment to look forward to seeing for the first time. :nanner:
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Today's Episode: "The Fall of Centauri Prime"
As Sheridan races to stop the Alliance ships from attacking Centauri Prime, Londo's fate, and that of his people, is decided.
One of the first things the Drakh said to Londo was the Vorlon question, in this case, "Who are we? What are we but a shadow of a shadow?" Most likely it's completely innocuous, but it's possible that with their masters gone, are the Drakh now beginning to ask themselves questions other than the one put forth by the Shadows.
The Regent was under Drakh control, but there may have been others; someone had to plant the fusion bombs all over Centauri Prime (assuming that wasn't just a bluff) and place the Shadow pods on the Centauri warships. Obviously it's possible that all this was done by ordinary Centauri under the Regent's orders (which can only be disobeyed on threat of death, as Londo said in "In the Kingdom of the Blind") but the question still remains, how many other Centauri are under Keeper control?
The Regent died when his Keeper was removed, but in "Racing Mars," Captain Jack survived the loss of his Keeper -- and it even grew back. Maybe it's simply that the Regent's Keeper completely removed itself, while Captain Jack's was still partially in place. Or it may be that a Keeper can control whether its host lives or dies when it leaves.
Londo told Sheridan that in exchange for freeing Delenn, he might ask Sheridan for a favor in the future. What nature of favor did he have in mind? Was asking for a favor Londo's idea or the Keeper's? Londo has exchanged favors for favors before ("A Voice in the Wilderness") and the fact that his tone abruptly became belligerent just after he asked for the favor implies that the Keeper took control of him at that point.
On the other hand, this favor may just cancel out the one Londo already owed Sheridan for telling him about the approach of the Vorlon fleet ("Falling Toward Apotheosis").
Is the Vorlon homeworld related to the new Earth mentioned in "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars?" That episode took place a million years in the future, at which time humanity would, according to Lyta, be allowed onto the Vorlon homeworld. There's some symmetry if the Vorlon homeworld is the new Earth: the Drakh had a home but lost it thanks to the Vorlons (in the form of Lyta's enhanced powers, which set off Z'ha'dum's self-destruct mechanism in "Epiphanies") while humanity lost a home but gained a new one thanks to the Vorlons.
The Regent was under Drakh control, but there may have been others; someone had to plant the fusion bombs all over Centauri Prime (assuming that wasn't just a bluff) and place the Shadow pods on the Centauri warships. Obviously it's possible that all this was done by ordinary Centauri under the Regent's orders (which can only be disobeyed on threat of death, as Londo said in "In the Kingdom of the Blind") but the question still remains, how many other Centauri are under Keeper control?
The Regent died when his Keeper was removed, but in "Racing Mars," Captain Jack survived the loss of his Keeper -- and it even grew back. Maybe it's simply that the Regent's Keeper completely removed itself, while Captain Jack's was still partially in place. Or it may be that a Keeper can control whether its host lives or dies when it leaves.
Londo told Sheridan that in exchange for freeing Delenn, he might ask Sheridan for a favor in the future. What nature of favor did he have in mind? Was asking for a favor Londo's idea or the Keeper's? Londo has exchanged favors for favors before ("A Voice in the Wilderness") and the fact that his tone abruptly became belligerent just after he asked for the favor implies that the Keeper took control of him at that point.
On the other hand, this favor may just cancel out the one Londo already owed Sheridan for telling him about the approach of the Vorlon fleet ("Falling Toward Apotheosis").
Is the Vorlon homeworld related to the new Earth mentioned in "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars?" That episode took place a million years in the future, at which time humanity would, according to Lyta, be allowed onto the Vorlon homeworld. There's some symmetry if the Vorlon homeworld is the new Earth: the Drakh had a home but lost it thanks to the Vorlons (in the form of Lyta's enhanced powers, which set off Z'ha'dum's self-destruct mechanism in "Epiphanies") while humanity lost a home but gained a new one thanks to the Vorlons.
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I really enjoy the Centuri Prime arc this season (and the Centuri Prime book trilogy). The clips of Londo's decent/ascent to power were very telling in regards to how the character has progressed over the course of the show.
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This clearly doesn't reflect fully what happened in "War Without End" - so what brings Centauri Prime to the level of destruction we saw then (which will happen in the future)? I hope they give this more than a passing reference in the few episodes left.
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Originally posted by Bandoman
This clearly doesn't reflect fully what happened in "War Without End" - so what brings Centauri Prime to the level of destruction we saw then (which will happen in the future)? I hope they give this more than a passing reference in the few episodes left.
This clearly doesn't reflect fully what happened in "War Without End" - so what brings Centauri Prime to the level of destruction we saw then (which will happen in the future)? I hope they give this more than a passing reference in the few episodes left.
And, Sheridan, Delenn, and G'Kar are all there, so we can assume that something big was going down at that particular time.
Now, by fifth season's end, you will see the road to that "big event" being paved, but you won't actually see what it was. (You'll need to read the Centauri Prime trilogy novels for that.)
It's a bit frustrating because the Babylon 5 series only covers five years on this big space station that changed the political make-up of the galaxy. There will be loose ends that won't be tied up by the series finale. (At least some of them were tied up with the novels, which are just as much a part of the overall Babylon 5 universe as any produced episode.)
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Today's Episode: "The Wheel of Fire"
Lochley and Garibaldi discover they have some shared history. A confrontation with Lyta leads to a startling revelation.
If Sheridan really did suspect that Garibaldi had started drinking again, why did he entrust him with delicate intelligence duties such as monitoring the Rangers' messages during the Centauri blockade? Granted, Sheridan didn't want to believe Garibaldi had relapsed, but given that he knew one slipup on the Alliance's part might lead to a shooting war, why did he risk the lives of billions of people?
Lochley commented to Garibaldi that he couldn't hurt the people who hurt him, people like Bester. How does she know Garibaldi can't hurt Bester? Is she aware of the neural block, or is she simply assuming that Bester is too well-protected or distant for Garibaldi to have any hope of striking at him?
Parallels between Garibaldi's situation and Franklin's stim abuse: Both were in denial about the effect it was having on their job performance. Both wanted to control or fix everything, but couldn't and turned to drugs as that became apparent. Both took leaves from their jobs to deal with their problems. Franklin had to "meet himself," which he did, while Sheridan said Garibaldi's fight was with himself. Both turned to women to seek help: Cailyn the singer in Franklin's case ("Walkabout") and Lise in Garibaldi's.
Will Lyta's removal of Garibaldi's inhibition help spark the Telepath War? She implied that she'd wait two years to make use of whatever forces Garibaldi assembled for her. With the two of them going after the Corps full force at that point, a full-fledged war could well be the result.
Lochley commented to Garibaldi that he couldn't hurt the people who hurt him, people like Bester. How does she know Garibaldi can't hurt Bester? Is she aware of the neural block, or is she simply assuming that Bester is too well-protected or distant for Garibaldi to have any hope of striking at him?
Parallels between Garibaldi's situation and Franklin's stim abuse: Both were in denial about the effect it was having on their job performance. Both wanted to control or fix everything, but couldn't and turned to drugs as that became apparent. Both took leaves from their jobs to deal with their problems. Franklin had to "meet himself," which he did, while Sheridan said Garibaldi's fight was with himself. Both turned to women to seek help: Cailyn the singer in Franklin's case ("Walkabout") and Lise in Garibaldi's.
Will Lyta's removal of Garibaldi's inhibition help spark the Telepath War? She implied that she'd wait two years to make use of whatever forces Garibaldi assembled for her. With the two of them going after the Corps full force at that point, a full-fledged war could well be the result.
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Just how strong is Lyta, anyway? Stronger than Ironheart? If she is/was the Vorlons' "doomsday" weapon, will she self-destrict if she ever uses her full power?
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Originally posted by Bandoman
Just how strong is Lyta, anyway? Stronger than Ironheart? If she is/was the Vorlons' "doomsday" weapon, will she self-destrict if she ever uses her full power?
Just how strong is Lyta, anyway? Stronger than Ironheart? If she is/was the Vorlons' "doomsday" weapon, will she self-destrict if she ever uses her full power?
If you read the Psi Corps trilogy of books, one of them alludes to what her eventual level of power was, but it's never really explicitly said.
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Today's Episode: "Objects in Motion"
As some longtime residents prepare to leave the station, the crew races to stop an assassin.
Sheridan noted that wars of independence are frequently followed by civil wars. One example would be the Shadow War, which ended up being about independence from the manipulation of the First Ones; it was followed by civil wars on both Earth and Minbar.
When Sheridan told him about the plan to catch the assassin, Garibaldi seemed skeptical that Zack had come up with the idea on his own. That suggests that Garibaldi still considers Zack somewhat green and inexperienced.
There was no mention of Lyta's departure or her contributions to Sheridan's cause in his going-away speech. An intentional omission to keep her out of the limelight, or is it another example of the problem she's complained about in the past, that nobody thinks of her or appreciates her unless they need to make use of her?
Her belief that that's always the case is evident in her reaction to G'Kar's offer to take her with him; she assumes he's doing it because he wants her DNA, not because he genuinely wants her as a traveling companion.
When Sheridan told him about the plan to catch the assassin, Garibaldi seemed skeptical that Zack had come up with the idea on his own. That suggests that Garibaldi still considers Zack somewhat green and inexperienced.
There was no mention of Lyta's departure or her contributions to Sheridan's cause in his going-away speech. An intentional omission to keep her out of the limelight, or is it another example of the problem she's complained about in the past, that nobody thinks of her or appreciates her unless they need to make use of her?
Her belief that that's always the case is evident in her reaction to G'Kar's offer to take her with him; she assumes he's doing it because he wants her DNA, not because he genuinely wants her as a traveling companion.
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One question I've always had about this episode. When Lyta leaves, she looks around and notices that nobody is there to say goodbye. When Zack shows up, shouldn't she have sensed that he was there?
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Originally posted by lisadoris
One question I've always had about this episode. When Lyta leaves, she looks around and notices that nobody is there to say goodbye. When Zack shows up, shouldn't she have sensed that he was there?
One question I've always had about this episode. When Lyta leaves, she looks around and notices that nobody is there to say goodbye. When Zack shows up, shouldn't she have sensed that he was there?
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For those that don't have the season sets, yet, and don't frequent the DVD Clubs forum, I just want to pass this on. You can get 2 TV box sets from Columbia House for only $9.95 (with free shipping), and you only have to buy 2 more DVDs in the next year. They have seasons 1-3 for this offer. (They have other shows besides B5, but why would you want anything else????)Check the thread link below for info.
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I just finished watching "Sleeping in Light". Is it wrong for a grown man to cry during a TV show? 
Wow. Just - wow.
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Once again - wow. What a story.

Wow. Just - wow.
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Once again - wow. What a story.
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Originally posted by Bandoman
I just finished watching "Sleeping in Light". Is it wrong for a grown man to cry during a TV show?
I just finished watching "Sleeping in Light". Is it wrong for a grown man to cry during a TV show?

How much have you watched of Buffy and Angel?
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Today's Episode: "Objects at Rest"
The Interstellar Alliance headquarters moves to Minbar. Lennier faces the consequences of a terrible mistake.
G'Kar's statement that Ta'Lon is as ready as G'Kar was when he first came to Babylon 5 echoes Londo's reassurance to Vir ("The Fall of Centauri Prime") that Vir would do at least as good a job as Londo had.
Londo's request for alcohol during dinner was more emphatic than might be expected. Has he already discovered that alcohol can put the Keeper to sleep ("War Without End")? If so, what was he hoping to say or do with the Keeper out of the way? Would he have warned Sheridan and Delenn about the Urn, told them about the Drakh, or something else?
Delenn's ability to see the Keeper, if only vaguely, is reminiscent of her sense that Morden was touched by the Shadows ("Signs and Portents"). In this case, though, it seemed she didn't quite know what to make of the sensation, since she didn't mention it to Sheridan after Londo left. What enables her to sense Shadow influence?
Londo believes the Centaurum will eliminate the position of Emperor after he's gone, which implies that he either doesn't believe or doesn't remember Lady Morella's prophecy that Vir would become emperor after Londo's death ("Point of No Return"). Or, of course, the Keeper might have been forcing him to say what he said, in order to encourage Sheridan to accept the gift.
Londo's request for alcohol during dinner was more emphatic than might be expected. Has he already discovered that alcohol can put the Keeper to sleep ("War Without End")? If so, what was he hoping to say or do with the Keeper out of the way? Would he have warned Sheridan and Delenn about the Urn, told them about the Drakh, or something else?
Delenn's ability to see the Keeper, if only vaguely, is reminiscent of her sense that Morden was touched by the Shadows ("Signs and Portents"). In this case, though, it seemed she didn't quite know what to make of the sensation, since she didn't mention it to Sheridan after Londo left. What enables her to sense Shadow influence?
Londo believes the Centaurum will eliminate the position of Emperor after he's gone, which implies that he either doesn't believe or doesn't remember Lady Morella's prophecy that Vir would become emperor after Londo's death ("Point of No Return"). Or, of course, the Keeper might have been forcing him to say what he said, in order to encourage Sheridan to accept the gift.





