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05-06-04 | 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by Gamblor187
They get so pissy because you insist on pointing out the glaring flaws, inconsistencies, and plot holes that they are trying to ignore out of devotion to the show.
They get so pissy because you insist on pointing out the glaring flaws, inconsistencies, and plot holes that they are trying to ignore out of devotion to the show.
Originally posted by Chew
Just noticed your Wizdar quote in the sig.
Just noticed your Wizdar quote in the sig.
Who woulda thunk? And just in time for Mutha’s Day.Bando, have you tried the commentaries yet? I guess it's pretty safe by now.
05-06-04 | 09:15 PM
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From: Saint Clair Shores, MI, USA
Originally posted by Wizdar
Are you talking about das and 24, or Wizdar and Enterprise?
Are you talking about das and 24, or Wizdar and Enterprise?
Despite my love of B5, I'm still resistant to televised sci-fi. And if Star Trek fans hate Enterprise, there's very little chance that I could stomach it.
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05-06-04 | 10:03 PM
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Well, truth be told, the question was rhetorical in nature. But there’s a move afloat to flood UPN with fan support in hopes of saving Enterprise.
Reminds me: I’ve got a call to make…
Consider giving DS9 a try?
Reminds me: I’ve got a call to make…
Consider giving DS9 a try?
05-06-04 | 11:51 PM
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From: Saint Clair Shores, MI, USA
Originally posted by Wizdar
Well, truth be told, the question was rhetorical in nature. But there’s a move afloat to flood UPN with fan support in hopes of saving Enterprise.
Well, truth be told, the question was rhetorical in nature. But there’s a move afloat to flood UPN with fan support in hopes of saving Enterprise.
Consider giving DS9 a try?
If I do decide to give another sci-fi show a try, it will likely be "Farscape", which I probably didn't see enough of to make a proper judgement.
05-06-04 | 11:58 PM
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From: Saint Clair Shores, MI, USA
Originally posted by dstrauss
You might like a little film called "Sweet Justice."
You might like a little film called "Sweet Justice."
Ohh! It stars Marc Singer! Man! It must be good!
05-07-04 | 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by Gamblor187
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105507/
Ohh! It stars Marc Singer! Man! It must be good!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105507/
Ohh! It stars Marc Singer! Man! It must be good!
City councilor Susan takes bribes from Reevers and allows him to deposit his garbage illegally in an old mine. But when she learns that he also dumps toxic wastes which threaten the nearby water purification unit, she wants to cancel their agreement. She asks her ex-husband Steve, a cop, for help, but before he can do anything she's found dead. Her sister Sunny decides to take revenge with help of a couple of friends, who once formed a female martial fighting squad.
05-07-04 | 06:06 AM
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Today's Episode: "Darkness Ascending"
Lennier uncovers hard evidence about the source of the cargo ship attacks. Lise arrives to see Garibaldi. Lyta attempts to strike a deal on behalf of the rogue telepaths.
Is Lennier's solo mission what Morden was referring to as "betraying the Anla'shok" in "Day of the Dead?" He did indirectly disobey the chain of command by disregarding Sheridan's order to return to Babylon 5, but on the other hand he was arguably still well within the bounds of loyalty since he was acting on behalf of the head of the Rangers.
Delenn strongly implied that Sheridan had considered sending Lennier to the Centauri border, but had decided against it. Is that the case, or was she just assuming that he would do so if presented with the choice? If he did consciously decide not to send Lennier at some point, why didn't Delenn attempt to argue the case with him then?
Delenn apparently thinks the situation with the Centauri is going to end badly. Londo was obviously surprised when she hugged him, a departure from her normal reserve. What did she think was going to happen to Londo such that this was her last chance to embrace him?
Does Garibaldi actually intend to return to Mars? That doesn't square with accepting the job of director of covert intelligence for the Alliance. Though it's possible he could perform many of his job duties from an office on Mars, he'd be far away from one of the most convenient sources of intelligence information: Babylon 5.
Delenn strongly implied that Sheridan had considered sending Lennier to the Centauri border, but had decided against it. Is that the case, or was she just assuming that he would do so if presented with the choice? If he did consciously decide not to send Lennier at some point, why didn't Delenn attempt to argue the case with him then?
Delenn apparently thinks the situation with the Centauri is going to end badly. Londo was obviously surprised when she hugged him, a departure from her normal reserve. What did she think was going to happen to Londo such that this was her last chance to embrace him?
Does Garibaldi actually intend to return to Mars? That doesn't square with accepting the job of director of covert intelligence for the Alliance. Though it's possible he could perform many of his job duties from an office on Mars, he'd be far away from one of the most convenient sources of intelligence information: Babylon 5.
05-07-04 | 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by Wizdar
Bando, have you tried the commentaries yet? I guess it's pretty safe by now.
Bando, have you tried the commentaries yet? I guess it's pretty safe by now.
05-07-04 | 07:58 AM
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I'm holding off on the commentaaries and special features until I start going through the whole show again from the beginning, after I finish season 5.
I'm up to "Phoenix Rising", so I'm catching up. Sort of.
I'm up to "Phoenix Rising", so I'm catching up. Sort of.
05-07-04 | 08:43 AM
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I don't see how you watch these so slowly, Bando. A few nights ago, around midnight, I popped in 'Darkness Ascending' and couldn't bring myself to stop until I had finished the series, stumbling into work with no sleep.
das
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05-07-04 | 08:57 AM
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• Chew •
Why do I think that happens most mornings?
Why do I think that happens most mornings?
das
05-07-04 | 03:23 PM
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They should do a soft porn spinoff with G'Kar and Lyta roaming the galaxy getting into one sexual adventure after another, with a jealous Zak chasing them.
05-07-04 | 03:35 PM
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This must be the 4th or 5th iteration of these season-based threads, going back to when Sci-Fi first picked up the show. If others are interested, I'm sure we can always do them again. However, it will be difficult to establish a timetable that matches a general frame for when people will be watching the episodes. But we're always up for discussion around here.
I'm loosely considering attempting a full sleepless marathon. I did it with the original 79 when they came out on VHS, and comparing the 51 min runtime against the new 44 mins, it would only be about half a day longer. I was a lot younger then, though, so it will probably be more difficult. I'm sure that would make a progressively more entertaining and disturbing thread as the hours passed.
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I'm loosely considering attempting a full sleepless marathon. I did it with the original 79 when they came out on VHS, and comparing the 51 min runtime against the new 44 mins, it would only be about half a day longer. I was a lot younger then, though, so it will probably be more difficult. I'm sure that would make a progressively more entertaining and disturbing thread as the hours passed.
das
05-07-04 | 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by das Monkey
I'm sure that would make a progressively more entertaining and disturbing thread as the hours passed.
das
I'm sure that would make a progressively more entertaining and disturbing thread as the hours passed.
das
05-07-04 | 09:29 PM
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I was cleaning up my mp3 directory tonight and I found my copy of Tom Smith's "Five Years." Tom's a filker, one of the few that doesn't make my stomach turn. It's set to the tune of Barenaked Ladies' "One Week."
It contains huge spoilers for whole arc, including some spoilers for season five, so you might want to move on if you're avoiding those.
Anyway, thought everyone would get a kick out of it if they hadn't seen these lyrics.
"Five Years"
Tom Smith
It's been... five years since we went online,
Laurel Takashima's gone, but Susan's so fine,
Five years since the Vorlon came,
Someone tried to kill him, Sinclair didn't take the blame,
Twelve years since we held the Line,
Twenty-four hours missing outta Jeff's mind,
Yesterday, it went off TV.,
But it'll still be okay, 'cause we got the story.
Oh my God, how it enthralled me, with Garibaldi,
He's getting' balder every season.
He got attacked, his buddy Jack, he went and shot him in the back,
To keep on track the planned assassination/treason.
Hot like Ivanova and Talia, we're gonna Draal ya,
And then we'll kick a little Zathras,
Al Bester's in the Psi Corps, we got a mind war,
Ironheart's the mower and you're the grass.
Lennier and Vir will share a beer and watch Adira disappear,
Without her, Londo's Morden likely bound for darkness,
So it begins, and then Delenn will spin Triluminary
Thin and glowing spiderwebs and step into the Chrysalis.
G'Kar is helpless, then he's hostile, then a holy man,
Trying hard not to smile in front of Sheridan,
I'm the kinda guy who laughs at the Shadow horde,
Can't understand, then you're not a three-edged sword,
I have a tendency to do my thinking with my hands,
I have a history of taking off my gloves.
It's been... five years since Third Age began,
John met Delenn, but Anna would be back again,
Five years since we met Neroon,
He ended up a hero, started out a major loon,
Three years since the Shadow War,
Nastier than any aliens we've seen before,
Yesterday, all the Narns were freed,
But there is something still Keeping hold on Centauri.
Medieval Marcus, the Rescue Ranger,
Lorien shows up, and things get stranger,
Watching out the window of a White Star, it came from Minbar,
And then we'll steal Babylon Four.
Sinclair's fork would be a Valen Tine, he travels through time,
And Ba-Bear-Lon Five is too cute.
Lyta comes back and she's eyin' a guy named Byron,
And Reebo in a Zooty Zoot Suit.
Gonna meet the violence with defiance and Alliance
Cause the giants left the playground with a lot of blood and sorrow.
Gonna get a room on Z'Ha'Dum, the ship'll zoom,
And then go Boom Shubba Lubba 'cause there's always one tomorrow.
How can I help it if I think they're driving Johnny mad?
All the time used to smile, now he's Dave's dad,
I'm the kinda guy who'd rather walkabout than run,
Can't understand why they killed their own son.
I have a tendency to shorten everybody's hair,
I have a history of lopping off heads.
It's been... five years since "The Gathering",
Beginning, middle, end, Joe wrapped up the whole thing,
Five years since we saw this show,
How good it was gonna get, there was no way to know,
Three years since we really knew,
We voted Joe a Hugo, then we gave him Number Two,
Yesterday, it went off TV.,
But we have still got "Crusade", so we ain't too sorry.
Still got "Crusade", so we ain't too sorry.
Still got "Crusade", so we ain't too sorry.
Bring me the head of Londo Mollari.
It contains huge spoilers for whole arc, including some spoilers for season five, so you might want to move on if you're avoiding those.
Anyway, thought everyone would get a kick out of it if they hadn't seen these lyrics.
"Five Years"
Tom Smith
It's been... five years since we went online,
Laurel Takashima's gone, but Susan's so fine,
Five years since the Vorlon came,
Someone tried to kill him, Sinclair didn't take the blame,
Twelve years since we held the Line,
Twenty-four hours missing outta Jeff's mind,
Yesterday, it went off TV.,
But it'll still be okay, 'cause we got the story.
Oh my God, how it enthralled me, with Garibaldi,
He's getting' balder every season.
He got attacked, his buddy Jack, he went and shot him in the back,
To keep on track the planned assassination/treason.
Hot like Ivanova and Talia, we're gonna Draal ya,
And then we'll kick a little Zathras,
Al Bester's in the Psi Corps, we got a mind war,
Ironheart's the mower and you're the grass.
Lennier and Vir will share a beer and watch Adira disappear,
Without her, Londo's Morden likely bound for darkness,
So it begins, and then Delenn will spin Triluminary
Thin and glowing spiderwebs and step into the Chrysalis.
G'Kar is helpless, then he's hostile, then a holy man,
Trying hard not to smile in front of Sheridan,
I'm the kinda guy who laughs at the Shadow horde,
Can't understand, then you're not a three-edged sword,
I have a tendency to do my thinking with my hands,
I have a history of taking off my gloves.
It's been... five years since Third Age began,
John met Delenn, but Anna would be back again,
Five years since we met Neroon,
He ended up a hero, started out a major loon,
Three years since the Shadow War,
Nastier than any aliens we've seen before,
Yesterday, all the Narns were freed,
But there is something still Keeping hold on Centauri.
Medieval Marcus, the Rescue Ranger,
Lorien shows up, and things get stranger,
Watching out the window of a White Star, it came from Minbar,
And then we'll steal Babylon Four.
Sinclair's fork would be a Valen Tine, he travels through time,
And Ba-Bear-Lon Five is too cute.
Lyta comes back and she's eyin' a guy named Byron,
And Reebo in a Zooty Zoot Suit.
Gonna meet the violence with defiance and Alliance
Cause the giants left the playground with a lot of blood and sorrow.
Gonna get a room on Z'Ha'Dum, the ship'll zoom,
And then go Boom Shubba Lubba 'cause there's always one tomorrow.
How can I help it if I think they're driving Johnny mad?
All the time used to smile, now he's Dave's dad,
I'm the kinda guy who'd rather walkabout than run,
Can't understand why they killed their own son.
I have a tendency to shorten everybody's hair,
I have a history of lopping off heads.
It's been... five years since "The Gathering",
Beginning, middle, end, Joe wrapped up the whole thing,
Five years since we saw this show,
How good it was gonna get, there was no way to know,
Three years since we really knew,
We voted Joe a Hugo, then we gave him Number Two,
Yesterday, it went off TV.,
But we have still got "Crusade", so we ain't too sorry.
Still got "Crusade", so we ain't too sorry.
Still got "Crusade", so we ain't too sorry.
Bring me the head of Londo Mollari.
05-08-04 | 06:58 PM
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That is freaking hilarious! Since my summer classes don't start for a few weeks I might go back and start from the beginning. I guess it depends on how long it takes for me to get though X-Files S9 and West Wing S2.
05-08-04 | 09:26 PM
#145
Some of those lyrics are hysterical.
I was looking through some of my literature today and I ran across a quote from Pat Tallman that I thought seemed really appropriate:
There's something about this show that inspires us to go the extra mile to bring it to others. I'm not sure I can think of another show that has such an effect on such a large scale.
das
I was looking through some of my literature today and I ran across a quote from Pat Tallman that I thought seemed really appropriate:
In Blackpool they've got this big old roller coaster and everyone had to ride it. When you come off, you encourage all your friends, "You gotta go ride the big one!" Babylon 5 is the big one and everyone's been telling their friends, "You gotta watch it!"
das
05-10-04 | 06:01 AM
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Today's Episode: "And All My Dreams, Torn Asunder"
The evidence of a Centauri connection to the cargo ship attacks is revealed to the Alliance.
Why didn't the White Stars have a secondary contact other than Garibaldi? Garibaldi wouldn't have been in his office on alert 24 hours a day even if he weren't drinking; given the gravity of the situation, it's odd that the White Star captain didn't try to get in contact with someone else (Delenn or Lennier, for example, would presumably have been sufficiently trustworthy) to make sure the report was heard in time.
In a sense, the minister was probably right; the attacks really are being staged by a third party, namely the aliens in the Royal Court. And it's possible their goal is exactly what he accused the Narn of: to implicate the Centauri. Perhaps they want to see Londo's empire crushed by the Alliance, revenge for Londo's rejection of the Shadows ("Into the Fire.")
Sheridan's declaration of war on the Centauri gives Londo's comments in "War Without End" a different spin. Londo said, "There's the legacy of your war," referring to the flames engulfing the city below the Centauri royal court. Perhaps Alliance forces were responsible for the destruction, and Londo's comments about Sheridan allowing the Shadows' minions to come to Centauri Prime referred to the fact that they caused the war to start.
Londo and G'Kar watching the Centauri fleet fly overhead is a visual reference to Londo's dream in "The Coming of Shadows" in which he watches a fleet of Shadow ships fly over the palace. His dream eventually came true in "The Hour of the Wolf."
In a sense, the minister was probably right; the attacks really are being staged by a third party, namely the aliens in the Royal Court. And it's possible their goal is exactly what he accused the Narn of: to implicate the Centauri. Perhaps they want to see Londo's empire crushed by the Alliance, revenge for Londo's rejection of the Shadows ("Into the Fire.")
Sheridan's declaration of war on the Centauri gives Londo's comments in "War Without End" a different spin. Londo said, "There's the legacy of your war," referring to the flames engulfing the city below the Centauri royal court. Perhaps Alliance forces were responsible for the destruction, and Londo's comments about Sheridan allowing the Shadows' minions to come to Centauri Prime referred to the fact that they caused the war to start.
Londo and G'Kar watching the Centauri fleet fly overhead is a visual reference to Londo's dream in "The Coming of Shadows" in which he watches a fleet of Shadow ships fly over the palace. His dream eventually came true in "The Hour of the Wolf."
05-11-04 | 05:58 AM
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Today's Episode: "Movements of Fire and Shadow"
The Centauri situation escalates. Lyta and Franklin visit the Drazi homeworld on a mission of mercy at Vir's request.
Why wasn't Delenn's ship accompanied by any escorts? Granted, the specifics of her mission were supposed to be kept secret. But the Minbari ambassador returning home to consult with her government just after the start of a war would hardly appear suspicious, and given Sheridan's obvious concern for her safety, an escort could easily be justified even if she were simply returning home to deliver a status report or receive new instructions.
Delenn's White Star was badly damaged by a small group of Centauri cruisers. Since they were built to fight Shadow ships with immensely more powerful weaponry, its relatively easy near-destruction might seem a bit inconsistent, but that's not necessarily true. First, Delenn was caught by surprise here. Second, in previous combat situations, White Stars have relied heavily on maneuverability to avoid being hit by the same weapon in rapid succession, giving their defenses time to adapt to particular weapons (as Lennier mentioned in "War Without End part 1.") In this case Delenn's ship took several direct hits in a row. Third, it might not be a correct assumption that her ship was hit by ordinary Centauri weapons; with the Alliance and its White Stars stepping into the fray, the Drakh and their cohorts may well have applied some leftover Shadow technology to the weapons systems of the cruisers.
Why wasn't the fact that the Centauri ships are operating without normal crews detected before? Obviously the fact that they didn't leave behind any survivors would have made it difficult for that information to find its way back to the Alliance even if it was detected. And Lennier's one-man fighter might not have been equipped to perform that kind of scan when he was attached to the cruiser ("Darkness Ascending.") But the Centauri warships have been under observation by White Stars for a little while ("And All My Dreams, Torn Asunder") and it seems odd that one of Babylon 5's probes could sense that there was no crew while a White Star couldn't.
Sheridan claimed that nobody started a war "just to honk off your neighbors." But that's exactly the goal of this war from the Drakh point of view. Not coincidentally, it was also the strategy of the Shadows: turn everyone else against one another.
It's not clear whether Sheridan arrived too late to stop the attack on Centauri Prime. The sequence as shown was: the Narn/Drazi fleet jumped out of hyperspace. Londo saw some jump points open in the sky. The Narn and Drazi started firing. What's unanswered is, were the jump points Londo saw the same ones the Narn and Drazi opened? If not, it's possible Sheridan's fleet arrived just in time, and the Narn and Drazi opened fire on the White Stars, not on Centauri Prime itself.
Delenn's White Star was badly damaged by a small group of Centauri cruisers. Since they were built to fight Shadow ships with immensely more powerful weaponry, its relatively easy near-destruction might seem a bit inconsistent, but that's not necessarily true. First, Delenn was caught by surprise here. Second, in previous combat situations, White Stars have relied heavily on maneuverability to avoid being hit by the same weapon in rapid succession, giving their defenses time to adapt to particular weapons (as Lennier mentioned in "War Without End part 1.") In this case Delenn's ship took several direct hits in a row. Third, it might not be a correct assumption that her ship was hit by ordinary Centauri weapons; with the Alliance and its White Stars stepping into the fray, the Drakh and their cohorts may well have applied some leftover Shadow technology to the weapons systems of the cruisers.
Why wasn't the fact that the Centauri ships are operating without normal crews detected before? Obviously the fact that they didn't leave behind any survivors would have made it difficult for that information to find its way back to the Alliance even if it was detected. And Lennier's one-man fighter might not have been equipped to perform that kind of scan when he was attached to the cruiser ("Darkness Ascending.") But the Centauri warships have been under observation by White Stars for a little while ("And All My Dreams, Torn Asunder") and it seems odd that one of Babylon 5's probes could sense that there was no crew while a White Star couldn't.
Sheridan claimed that nobody started a war "just to honk off your neighbors." But that's exactly the goal of this war from the Drakh point of view. Not coincidentally, it was also the strategy of the Shadows: turn everyone else against one another.
It's not clear whether Sheridan arrived too late to stop the attack on Centauri Prime. The sequence as shown was: the Narn/Drazi fleet jumped out of hyperspace. Londo saw some jump points open in the sky. The Narn and Drazi started firing. What's unanswered is, were the jump points Londo saw the same ones the Narn and Drazi opened? If not, it's possible Sheridan's fleet arrived just in time, and the Narn and Drazi opened fire on the White Stars, not on Centauri Prime itself.
05-11-04 | 10:14 AM
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Gotta love the Drakh. 
The show has again ramped up to speed, although still not as momentous as the prior seasons' storylines. It is interesting to see how this waqs all foreshadowed in prior seasons, and I'm lookind forward to seeing how events lead up to Londo's death at the hands of G;Kar, as he saw in his dream.
The show has again ramped up to speed, although still not as momentous as the prior seasons' storylines. It is interesting to see how this waqs all foreshadowed in prior seasons, and I'm lookind forward to seeing how events lead up to Londo's death at the hands of G;Kar, as he saw in his dream.
05-11-04 | 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Bandoman
I'm lookind forward to seeing how events lead up to Londo's death at the hands of G;Kar, as he saw in his dream.
I'm lookind forward to seeing how events lead up to Londo's death at the hands of G;Kar, as he saw in his dream.