One more update from the BB house:

Evidently BB had all 9 of the evicted houseguest pose one question each to Nicole and Will. The questions and their answers will be shown in the final show tomorrow (probably edited by CBS to get to the most interesting questions).

From their reaction, Nicole got reamed by all but Mike Boogie (who declined to ask a question) with her duplicity, and one of them even called her a shysty beeyotch. LOL! Even Hardy felt betrayed by Nicole (BB must have shown him the tape where Nicole told Will that she's give him a haircut the Friday after eviction when her and Hardy were both up for eviction). Monica brought up the Hot Tub incident. Even Autumn got in on the "bash Nicole" bandwagon.

Will, OTOH, did not get reamed, and it's dawning on Nicole that Will has been lying about his trashing the evicted houseguests in the diary room in his conversations with Nicole.

BB requested that both Will and Nicole give them the name of the houseguest whose vote they want nullified in the final vote (each gets one nullification). Will was working on Nicole to nullify Monica because he'd like for Shannon to get a chance to vote for him, and he says that Monica won't be voting for Nicole after being evicted by Nicole.

Will just might get a unamimous victory. Heh!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm still trying to find out if the houseguests know that the WTC was totally destroyed by the terrorist attacks. Any idea?

Brian

I'm pretty sure they don't know the devestation involved.
I don't think they know, and even if it was said, they can't imagine the impact since they haven't seen the pictures or heard the horror stories we all have.

They don't know we are basically AT WAR either.

I think all they know is 4 incidents of simultanious terrorists attacks, which all involve the plane, and where they hit.
They just said the damage or who did this is "unknown at this time".

I absolutely agree! You do have to vote people out. But you don't have to pretend that you're heart broken because of that! If you really are heart-broken and you care about your loyalties, then play the game Monica played! If you know you're playing a game which will occasionally involve voting out or help voting out people that you care about because of strategic reasons, then at least don't pretend you did it against your will and with your heart broken. The choice is entirely up to each player. You can just say "Hey, you're a nice guy/girl, and I wish you all the best, but we're playing a game and that's the way my vote has to go right now...".

Thinking about it, I don't really think Will backstabbed anyone except Krista. That was the toughest week for him I guess. Hardy doesn't count, because, as Will said: if H really thought Will is playing his game, then some village must've lost their idiot! For the rest... Shannon sacrificed herself, Mike was seen as a bigger threat in HOH competitions, Sheryl was the innocent victim of the first round, Autumn and Kent... W never pretended to be friends with them. He caused Bunky's elimination but that was mostly through fair game as I don't recall him ever saying to Bunky that he doesn't want to stay longer; just that he doesn't think he'll make it. And of course he did all he could to stay in.

I think this is a ridiculous way of thinking. Will has become some kind of hero because he admits that he's a liar. I truly believe, if he wins (and he probably will) that ALL the "village idiots" were conned by someone who has made himself into a hero by being a honest liar. Which is not only an oxymoron, but nothing to be proud of.

This whole thing reminds me of Kelly versus Rich in the Survivor 1 final. Kelly wasn't as shrewd and not as good at lying as Rich. Along the way she really did like people, then she got caufght up in wanting to win, and it went back and forth until she was labeled as a backstabber....or fake like Nicole. I just think Nicole is more fragile and more human than Will. Nic is certainly bitchy and I understand people disliking her for that. But the fake crying? OK, Nicole crying is kind of annoying but A) if it's fake, then she is trying to play the game and make it look like she cares or B) she really is simply a manic person who is up and down and up and down and she often cries just as a release even if she really isn't unhappy.

That's what I think it is, because she can't possibly be that bad at fake crying. She is too good at the rest of the game to do that. But even if she is, well, kudos for her for trying to manipulate those who are watching and will cast a vote. I think it backfired, but I would have tried to do something like that myself. I just hope that I would have known to do it better and more convincing.

Nicole has won HOH a few times a she has played very hard. Will, thanks to Hardy, mostly played well too but really didn't do much other than lie and try and try to ham it up for the cameras because he would rather be famous than win anyway. I think he has a far better chance of winning the 500 grand than being famous. Colby was the next best thing from Survivor 2 and we've seen how long his 15 minutes lasted.

I think the whole Monica and Krista thing was just disgusting. They were really the only 2 people who made a scene when they were voted out. Shannon, although, made the worst scene when nominated. Mon and Krista were all upset about how Nic didn't keep it real and that she was all about the money. Well, maybe that's the point of the game ladies. You put up with all that craziness and then you are supposed to pull a Colby and basically let someone else win because they are nicer? That would spoil it. Alliances formed and Krista and Monica lied all the way out the door in stating they weren't planning on or seeking to kick people out. Who are they kidding? They would have to be fools if they didn't TRY and get the edge. They were both poor sports, like Susan Hawk, and very hypocritical in my opinion.

Will and Mike don't like Nicole very much, but when on that last show they both were asked, they totally gave credit to Nicole for playing a damned good game and to me, even if you don't like the person, that was really showing you were a good sport about things. I don't like Will, but the one thing he hasn't done is flat out hurt people by saying things that were rude or mean like Shannon, Hardy a few times, Monica, Krista, and Nic...although I think Nic was bitchy a lot and I only think she was flat out mean to Will and she has done that far too often. Of course, Will is smart and he loves himself and that's why everytime Nic calls him the devil or some other rude name he is always smiling broadly. He doesn't care and, if anything, he loves anything that brings more attention to himself.

I think Bunky will be the key vote. I think he fell for Will at the end and he and Kent will vote together and put Will over the top. Just more proof that Will has really fooled them all. But all this talk about how great Will is for being honest about being a liar is making me sick. What's next, an honest and sweet axe-murderer? Nic and Will both played the game hard and there's nothing wrong with the fact that Nicole is a worse liar than Will or that she's only there for the money. It's a game show and it's a lot of money. Those on the jury who will celebrate Will's victory are really only trying to make themselves feel better for not having won themselves. And if people don't want to see bitchy unstable women or horribly arrogant, deceiving, hair shaving freaks,well, they shouldn't be watching this show.

I'm rooting for Nicole but I think Will has lied too perfectly to lose. I sure hope Bunky and those who do vote for Will don't expect to hear from Will in the future. Especially Shannon, who as I type this, is no doubt scrubbing her toilet with her mom's toothbrush.

I dont think people necessarily like Will because he is honest about lying its more the fact that he is basically the only one there that seems to be having a good time and not taking the the whole thing seriously. While Nicole freaks out and has a nervous breakdown every 5 minutes. The Big Brother staff have gotten on her case for complaining and whining so much. She had a conniption fit when Will won the DVD player instead of her (sore looser) while Monica was happy for him. Even Hardy has somewhat turned on Nicole since he left the house. What Will said about Nicole was that she had played an excellent game because she had lied and back-stabbed just as much as he had but she was better at covering it up where as he was up front about it. Describing Nicole as "more human" than anybody is a bit of a stretch.

Is the President's speech to Congress tonight going to come on in place of the 9:00pm BB2 final show? I heard on the radio this morning that Bush is to speak of Operation Infinite Justice to Congress tonight at 9pm... any word.
CBS better show the dad-gum finals... I want to see Loser Nic-Hole weep and moan over how everyone (including her husband) turned on her...
GO WILL

The final episode is supposed to air at 10pm ET/PT according to CBS. Of course if the president's statement gets longer or it triggers a wave of discussions all this may be spoiled.

Right! This is definitely nothing to be proud of and I generally tried to stay away from praises of this kind (He said he would lie, so it's ok). However, I do appreciate Will's style far more than Nicole's although she was basically trying to do the same thing: play a damn good game. However, I'm not sure how much she really played the game and how much she is really delusional. In any case, as Will and Mike said, kudos to her for the way she tried to win.
However, if you watch the live feeds or only read the reports, you can see how insecure Nicole really is. As only her and Will are left she is preparing her "exit speach" and she's really anxious about it and practices in front of Will. This like... so pathetic! Even those moments have to be fake and prepared...

I guess we are all rubbed different ways by different people and attitudes but I surely don't like her. :-)

Which is why I would much rather have seen Monica win than Will. I also would much rather have seen Bunky (or some others) win than Will. But Will did grow on me from where he was the person I most hated to someone I didn't ever really like but did play a masterful game and was by far the most entertaining and funniest person in the house.

Between the two finalists, the "honest liar" (who was entertaining and funny) and the "dishonest liar" (who was whiny and phony), I'll take the "honest" one.

You know, I agree and disagree. You can read my post again and it's by no means kind to Nicole. I do believe that if you took the rest of the cast and imagined what they would be like at this point in the house/game, a majority would be "closer" to like how Nicole is than how Will is. Will is disturbingly calm and mellow and it does make me wonder if he cares about anything. I can't think of one time that he has really broken down or let things get to him. The Krista thing was close, but he held it together. He is one self-assured SOB. Nicole preparing a speech to go out? I didn't know that, but I'm not surprised. She has zero self confidence and she lashed out at people because of it. I feel bad for her. Will, by all means, owes nothing to Nicole and can play the game any way that he wants but the guy knows she is neurtoic and lacks self-esteem and he loves making it worse for her. In the real world, outside, that wouldn't bother me but inside there I just wouldn't be able to crush someone like that. Will knows she's harmless, but Monica and Krista's exits really made me angry. There is no reason you should do that AS YOU EXIT. If you feel that way, say it in the house while you are there-if you want to talk about keeping it real-or say it in private. The Susan Hawk like speeches are just terribly petty things to do. Nicole may be nuts or dumb or selfish, but the fact that she's in there to win it all shouldn't be held against her. The fact that she doesn't lie very well is no reason to attack her when the game is about deception. I guess I liked Nicole for just past the half way point. Then I didn't care for a while and then Monica had that nasty exit and I felt bad for Nicole again. I think Will is funny and very smart. Definately entertaining. But CBS knew what they were doing when they picked these people. Nicole was picked because she's not very smart, she's bossy, etc. So I just find it hard to atttack her or anyone when all they are doing is playing the "part" they were cast to play. If you had Bunky and Monica in the finals you might be happy for either of them to win (kind of like Colby and Tina), but it would be outright boring. I don't think Monica was ever entertaining and I stopped liking her when she flipped out over the Krista nomination. Nicole is the queen bitch but even she knew, at any time, she was fair game to be booted out. A few people like Shannon, Mike, Krista, and Monica didn't seem to think it was bad unless it was happening to them. Anyway, Will is going to win. I still think those who will vote for him ACTUALLY believe that Will likes them. And as Will would say, "If you believe that, some village has lost their idiot."

Cant argue about Nicole not being too bright, witness how Will has played her like a fiddle. Its good that we wont have another survivor 2 type ending. That was the worst show ever, comprised of the two most bland and boring people on the show. Which is probably why their 15 minutes came and went so quickly.

BB2, with the revised rules, is a game of psychological warfare. Will has played that game to the limit, and so what he found that he could "play" Nicole for all she's worth? That's part of the game. You find the most revolting person in the house, and prop them up and take them with you into the final two under the guise of them dragging you to the final two.

The rest of the bunch didn't understand the higher level part of the game that had to be played, they truly were not sophisticated enough to play at the high level that Will has played the game. If Nicole was not in the game, I wonder who would be Will's "patsy" for the final two; I'd probably go with Kent because he really galvanized people (just like Nicole).

Why did people tune in on TV and the live feeds for BB? To watch the sparks fly when the houseguests were stripped of their "polite" facade and had to scheme, deceive, misdirect, the rest of the players in the game in order to survive eviction week after week in an intrigueing socio-political exercise among the houseguests. Niceness has nothing to do with the survivor in this game, or winning the evicted houseguests votes in the end, it's about burning bridges, and you do that by being the aggressor in your dealings in the house.

Will's passive-aggressive strategy worked to perfection, but it was because he had so many other entertaining qualities about him, he was able to disarm and charm the houseguests, and never made an overt enemy (with the exception of Hardy, due to Hardy's targetted eviction of Shannon). Those who prescribe to the notion of "NICENESS" need to tune into another TV game show, because you aren't going to get that in BB. This show is about inner mental/psychological battles, about where those battlelines get drawn, and how people align themselves fluidly from week to week to get a stronger person out of the game. This is not a POPULARITY contest!

While Survivor is a type of "survival" game where the elements and lack of food and good sleep conditions, the mental side of the game is nowhere as intense as Big Brother (under this season's rules) because you totally have to be "on" the entire time you are in the house, or you'll be evicted out of the house if you have a mis-step or show your cards too soon. Colby showed that you could be the "strongest" and still get "outplayed" by a little lady from Tennessee.

Nicole's whole schtick was playing the alpha female who demanded what she wanted, and used her "cooking/cleaning" to further control the environment of the house. Too bad she gutted so many evicted houseguest on her way to the final two. She whined and cheesed her way into many things that should not have been allowed under the rules. Her expressions of displeasure with houseguest were not very tactful, nor were they endearing to anyone in the house. Each and everytime someone else won a luxury Nicole was so pathetic in her "woe is me, I suck" mantra, and never happy for others who did win a luxury competition. None of that endears you to your peers in the house. That's just a matter of having poor manners and a "me, me, me" attitude that definitely doesn't win anyone over.

Will never crossed the line personally with any of the houseguests, he never threatened to "kill you" or "slit your wrists vertically" if they mess with her like Nicole did. When Nicole tries to exert power with hyperbolic threats, it weakens her position each and every time because it meant the other person "got" to her psychologically (and Will did this to perfection all throughout the game), and the only way Nicole knows how to deal with it is to threaten with physical abuse and verbal abuse. She's a poor example of sportsmanship within the whole context of the game.

Will never put himself in position to cut someone in the house until the very end when only 4 people were in the house, and even then he manuevered it so that he got to boot Hardy. Krista may hold some hard feelings towards Will, but at that time, Will had to play it the way he did to SURVIVE! I would not hold that against any player if my time was up.

Re: Nicole's crying - totally fake, all the houseguest see through that BS. I loved it when all of the evicted houseguests would roll their eyes when Nicole would give her tearful "I'm sorry it had to be you to go this week" diary room entry.

Will's going to win because he is simply the superior player of this season's game. I think he's going to walk about with either a 7-0 or 6-1 decision over Nicole (due to each one getting to nullify one houseguest's vote). I would not be surprised if Will gets a unanimous decision.

I think Monica was thinking like this:

She could have taken Nicole aside before the HOH was finished and said: "Look Nicole, you are not going to win this game. If you win HOH you will get second. Your decision on whom to evict will decide who gets first and third. If you think I should win instead of Will (and supposedly you hate him so much) then you should evict Will."

Apparently, Monica did not do anything like that. Obviously she knew it would do no good. So she let things run their course and Nicole evicted her (as she knew would happen). What she said to Nicole upon leaving could only have been said then. Monica spoke the absolute truth and did so with passion, eloquence and even, I think, a genuine caring for Nicole. I, for one, was very proud of her.

Hahahahahahahaha!

Will has "confessed" to Nicole about all the lying he's done in the house. It's pretty funny stuff:

1. He doesn't have a med school debt, and actually has some savings. Only Sheryl knew about this). But Nicole says that she knew he was lying about his debts.

2. He threw all the HoH comps, but didn't even tell Shannon at the time.

3. He thinks Hardy is the most gullible of the houseguests.

4. He used that "fasting" thing to test people, and mess with their minds.

5. He pestered Nicole to get into that Nicole/Hardy bond to make sure Will was always in Nicole's mind.

6. Once he saw that Kent stabbed Boogie in the back, he knew Kent was an untrustful backstabber, and Will did what he needed to do to get Kent out. Plus since Kent was the only one that susses out Will's strategy, that accelerated Will's need to get Kent booted out.

7. He almost got Krista thrown out when she slipped Boogie a valium when she was kissing him ("Oh, you're dispensing a narcotic without a license"), and BB asked him to drop this line of questioning.

8. He said that he tested (with his mind games) everyone of the houseguests and that Nicole was the strongest one, much stronger than him as well (I think he's lying here as well).

9. The Ouija board was all fake as well, and Krista flipped out when Boogie told her about Will' tugging at people's heartstrings.

10. He purposely made himself unlikable the first week. He's badmouth Kent to Bunky knowing that Bunky would go to Kent and repeat what Will said about him.

11. He said that Sheryl might have gone all the way, so he and Boogie tested the group when Sheryl and Nicole were put up for the 1st eviction. But either way, he would have gotten rid of the loudest person (Nicole) or the sweetest person (Sheryl, who would be a threat later). Either way, no one would be kicking out the class clown (Will).

Here's the rest in Will's and Nicole's words (transcribed by the live feed posters):

N - so then you start sticking your head completely up my a** - did that matter or not?

W - you were controlling that group so I figured if you found me loveable you wouldn't kick me out - I wanted you to do exactly what you did - have your hands in two cookie jars. Then I would just tell TOP and they'd get rid of you

N - I told TOP as soon as you guys keep me in the house - I'd find out everything for TOP and go back and tell them

W - it worked perfectly with Krista and Kent

N - your insinuation is that you don't think I'm smart

W - no I didn't even know you then - I knew that Kent had already stabbed Kent in the back - so I wasn't worried about him as far as his loyality was concerned - Krista is just like Autumn she wants to be loved by the boys, when I called her the hot country girl - she loved that - she wasn't going to kick out the boys who flirted with her. The next week I thought Shannon would win HOH - she lost Hardy won and Hardy is very strong competitor - I felt he made a mistake, he should have agreed to put up one person up - from top or put up Shannon and Mike - because my whole purpose was to get him out after that because I do have loyalty - if he hadn't done that things may have turned out differently. He made a huge mistake - cause my whole purpose was just to get rid of him, imagine living with someone who's sole purpose is to knock you out of the house, him knocking me out would help him none - kicking out the weekest person in the house. So then the next week Kent won - and I said a civil war is going to break out between TOP - because there were only 2 left in CT - and I knew that one of us would be out and whoever is left will be here at the end because there would be a civil war - amonst the TOPS. So then Hardy and Kent were going at it - then Hardy hugs Kent then the next week Hardy kicks out Kent. Then I realized that TOP was nothing more then those afraid of CT - then TOP divided quickly into Hardy and You - Krista and Monica - and Bunky and Kent... that's why we got a banner that said Will plays both sides. I knew that Kent and Bunky were the weakest of the groups - but I will never join the one who stays - so what I will do is be nice to that person alone, and let the other two groups knock each other out. Then you guys knocked Kirsta out and then Monica knocked one of you out - (missing TONS here). The thing was I had to take big chances - when Hardy said - I could nominated Kent and Bunky if your scared and I was like nope - cause I didn't want it to appear that Will would be gone, so I went to diary room and even though you decided Kent was leaving - I was acting like I was going to be the one voted out. I wanted it to appear that I was once again not in a group , cause I thought it would come down to Hardy and I - and Hardy would have been the one to have thrown everyone out, and Hardy would be standing here saying "I love you guys" - but he was ultimately responsible for kicking people out. Then that internet day, I said I felt so bad for people that got evicted - hoping that'd get out. Call me evil but I busted my ass every week.

N - so your the only person in here who was able to play a game and it was 100% wholeheartedly what it was

W - ya - my brother said we are smarter then him (carson daily) and how come your busting your a** as a doctor - you can do that - he filled out all the forms made the video - and one night we sat down and on a napkin we said how do we win the show, he was like you can't go and compete, it's too random, too much left to chance, he said you could go start a group but the group would end up having to pick each other off. We said what would no one every think of - we suggeted breaking the group into two sects - you make sure you have a small group so the bigger group will eat up the little group but by then they'll be picking each other up. I told the producers this is a game, this isn't a world - this is natural selection - some get by by being the biggest, some the fastest...

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Nicole was incredulous by the whole confession (still thinks Will is putting her on, even though he said that from the point that he was "confessing" what he said would be true - he still has her mentally scrambled and off-guard).

Damn, now do you people understand why I have liked Will as a player in this game? He totally outfoxed everyone, came in with a plan, and stuck to it, and has been in the driver seat for quite some time.

Monica was eloquent and caring, huh?

Are you related to Will? Cause you are either very delusional or have the capacity to be a great liar.

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I think Monica was thinking like this:

She could have taken Nicole aside before the HOH was finished and said: "Look Nicole, you are not going to win this game. If you win HOH you will get second. Your decision on whom to evict will decide who gets first and third. If you think I should win instead of Will (and supposedly you hate him so much) then you should evict Will."

Apparently, Monica did not do anything like that. Obviously she knew it would do no good. So she let things run their course and Nicole evicted her (as she knew would happen). What she said to Nicole upon leaving could only have been said then. Monica spoke the absolute truth and did so with passion, eloquence and even, I think, a genuine caring for Nicole. I, for one, was very proud of her.
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My, this is a strange response to my post. It's nice that you have me all figured out.

I notice that you did not say anything about the substantive points in my post.

I would have loved to see the look on Monica's face as she watches the episodes after she left the house (I am assuming that these people's families taped them all for them to watch) and hears Will refer to her as "the dumbest person I have ever met."

I'm sure she'd be all kissy face to him after hearing that.

Monica got all upset at Nicole for not ousting will and putting her & Krista up when she did the exact same thing when she was HOH. You put up the biggest threats, and you break the power.

She is a very sore loser in my opinion and hypocritical. She also had vowed to get Will out earlier, but when she was HOH she realized it was smarter to put up Nicole & Hardy.

Nicole didn't freak out at her about that-- she knew it was the only strategic thing for Monica to do.

Actually, if I remember correctly, Will called Monica and Krista the two dumbest people he'd ever met. So maybe Monica was just the second dumbest. Monica probably would not like that quote but I doubt she would vote for Nicole over Will because of it. Also, she might not take it that seriously. Will said a lot of things (understatement).

I don't see her being a sore loser at all.

When she was HOH, it was not just a matter of breaking the power (although that was part of it). She did not want to oust Will. People can change their minds and their opinions about others. I changed my opinion about many of the people numerous times during the course of this show.

What the hell was that speech from Will?

OMG! Will just gave the evicted houseguests (last night) a most condescending "Why I should get your vote" speech, and might have just given Nicole the $500,000! Doh!

OMG!

What a comeback!