The Big Brother 2 Discussion Thread
09-17-01 | 10:57 PM
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Will's still snowing Nicole (in order to keep her happy and not crabby and whining about coming in second to Will) by keeping up with his "I'm so happy to be winning %50, 000!".
And then he's convinced her that he totally trashed the other houseguests in the Diary Room, but he made BB promise not to show any of the footage until after the votes were taken. Nicole lapped up this bit, hoping that Will really just sabotaged his chances at the big prize. Nicole is just one delusional lady!
I think the only other reason that Will dragged Nicole into the final two is so that he doesn't have to do any of the cooking for the last week. Heh.
And then he's convinced her that he totally trashed the other houseguests in the Diary Room, but he made BB promise not to show any of the footage until after the votes were taken. Nicole lapped up this bit, hoping that Will really just sabotaged his chances at the big prize. Nicole is just one delusional lady!
I think the only other reason that Will dragged Nicole into the final two is so that he doesn't have to do any of the cooking for the last week. Heh.
09-18-01 | 10:46 AM
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Since I got some kudos over at the Clubhouse, here's what I wrote in my "thesis" of why Will should win the big prize over Nicole (who someone considered to be "calm, respectful and basically has made him (Will) look like a fool all day.") LOL!:
I read most the live feeds on a daily basis, I've come to understand what Will is doing, and many people look on the superficial surface of what Will says and does, and not why he says and does them.
Again, the vicious things he says about the other houseguest is usually solely for Nicole's benefit because that's what she needs to hear out of Will's mouth. If you don't get that, well, I guess you want BB3 to be like that boring BB1.
I wish people could separate the role that Will's playing in this game with the things he says about his competition (the other houseguests who have been evicted). The stupid strategy of coming into the BB house and trying to be "real" is one of the quickest way to get the boot, or be dragged along as a flunkie (non-threat) only to be discarded later once they used you to get rid of the real threats (Bunky was used as a flunky by Nicole and Hardy). It was more demeaning the way Nicole spoke to Bunky like he was a 10 year old, needing the approval of momma Nicole for every vote he casted (once Kent was gone from the house). Nicole is the real, true, beeyotch of the game. Whenever she was in a power position, she was not respectful nor calm. If you don't acknowledge that, there's no point in any more debating the merits of Will or Nicole.
Will at least gives you a choice in how you want to the play the game and vote in his dealings with the houseguests, but he's smart enough to frame that choice so that it seems to benefit the person he's trying to convince while it also benefits himself (Will). Nicole just steamrolls over you if she knows she's got the upper hand on you, and heaven help you if you cross her! She's not the nice person here.
It's not about "growing" in the house. If you really think people "grow" in this environment, you're fooling yourself. People are more or less set in their ways of dealing with the world by the time they get into their 20's.
No one can be a saint (like BB1) and win BB2 given the revamped format. Will understood that from the get-go. He came saying he'd lie to everyone, and that was his schtick. Whose fault is it if he's a darn good liar, and knows how to play the political game, while being a catalyst for some alliance melt-downs with some timely relay of pivotal information which he uses to ensure survivor for another week?
Will is able to give each person in that house what they needed to hear from him to stay in the house. That is the first and final objective of this game. To think it's to be the nicest so that you're well thought of at the end leads to your eviction (a la Sheryl), or it makes you get the boot like Monica for being so "nice" and "non-bullying".
You have to be passive aggressively non-threatening to have a chance to make it all the way. Will played that angle to the hilt beautifully, and along the way, has entertained thousands of people who watch the live feeds or reads them.
Will is brilliant to dragged Nicole with him into the final two because he knew that she was more disliked that he is (yes, he knows he's got enough votes to win). He knows because Nicole is disliked for her overt actions, while Will, playing the Evil Dr. Will role, will only be disliked for his covert actions (rants in the DR, which, he understood, serve to provide a backdrop to root for certain houseguests while providing cogent and entertaining commentary on the actions and attitudes of the houseguests, plus it gives something for CBS to go dig up the video to prove Will's points time and time again). Will nails each and every houseguest with his commentary because he's smart enough to know how to deal with them (or passively avoid them - like Monica). Is Will being mean when he tells it like it is? That's just being earnest and forthright. But it seems people don't want that. That want a show where people sing "Kumbaya" all day long. Imagine how many people would have paid for the live feeds to see that.
No, BB2 was redesigned to make the houseguests scheme, lie, misrepresent, and act unnaturally towards each and every houseguest because it's about surviving eviction each and every week. If you have to convince your "girlfriend" to fall on the sword for you (by acting like a beeyotch to secure eviction) to get you through an eviction week, that's smart game play.
What Will saw in Nicole was a person who was a pro-active competitor who thought that by clinging on to the power of HoH she'd be safe from eviction, and would be able to pick and choose her flunkie to stand next to her at the final vote. Will also saw that she would be easily manipulated because she's got plenty of dominance issues and control issues that make it easier to predict and control that person, you just need to understand what they need from you to get what you need from them. By being passive when Nicole blew up at him just begging for a fight, Will always "won" those confrontation by being the "adult" in those situations, and by feigning concern for the "real issues" that were bothering Nicole, he was able to mold "her" strategy for the game, not knowing that Will played her like a master concert violinist.
Will was able to do this, even with the presence of Hardy. He cajoled Hardy, made hanging out with him fun. Will totally snowed Hardy at Nicole's behest, and Will performed spectacularly here as well.
What Nicole does not understand is how Will has encouraged Nicole (conveniently paired with Hardy to the hip) to participate actively in the eviction of most of the houseguests. The only person that Will can truly be held responsible for giving the boot is Hardy, and that was payback.
No, when it comes down to the vote, I think most of the houseguests will see the true brilliance of a man who was nominated 3 times for eviction, but escaped, and then never won a HoH and still somehow made it the final two. Will convinced Nicole that she would have no shot against Monica (Will set this in motion when he booted out Hardy).
The reason Hardy kept Will was due to Bunky's lack of big picture (and his fervent desire to win HoH thinking it would secure him a spot, but it only makes you a bigger target as Will so well noted in one of his DR entries), and when Hardy made a deal with Will in the event that Will got HoH to not put up both Hardy and Nicole, Will knew that all he had to do was make sure Nicole didn't win HoH, and to let Monica win it, which he did, thus nullifying his deal with Hardy (who was not smart enough to see that Will knew that he would work at being HoH until Nicole was out of the running, and then he gave Monica HoH which sealed Hardy fate).
One other note:
And this is the final endgame that Will envisioned once we got down to 6 houseguests left in the house (Hardy, Nicole, Monica, Bunky, Krista, and Will). The trickiest one was getting Krista out of the house. But Will used Nicole's insecurities to get him over the hump on that eviction. And it was smooth sailing ever since.
I read most the live feeds on a daily basis, I've come to understand what Will is doing, and many people look on the superficial surface of what Will says and does, and not why he says and does them.
Again, the vicious things he says about the other houseguest is usually solely for Nicole's benefit because that's what she needs to hear out of Will's mouth. If you don't get that, well, I guess you want BB3 to be like that boring BB1.
I wish people could separate the role that Will's playing in this game with the things he says about his competition (the other houseguests who have been evicted). The stupid strategy of coming into the BB house and trying to be "real" is one of the quickest way to get the boot, or be dragged along as a flunkie (non-threat) only to be discarded later once they used you to get rid of the real threats (Bunky was used as a flunky by Nicole and Hardy). It was more demeaning the way Nicole spoke to Bunky like he was a 10 year old, needing the approval of momma Nicole for every vote he casted (once Kent was gone from the house). Nicole is the real, true, beeyotch of the game. Whenever she was in a power position, she was not respectful nor calm. If you don't acknowledge that, there's no point in any more debating the merits of Will or Nicole.
Will at least gives you a choice in how you want to the play the game and vote in his dealings with the houseguests, but he's smart enough to frame that choice so that it seems to benefit the person he's trying to convince while it also benefits himself (Will). Nicole just steamrolls over you if she knows she's got the upper hand on you, and heaven help you if you cross her! She's not the nice person here.
It's not about "growing" in the house. If you really think people "grow" in this environment, you're fooling yourself. People are more or less set in their ways of dealing with the world by the time they get into their 20's.
No one can be a saint (like BB1) and win BB2 given the revamped format. Will understood that from the get-go. He came saying he'd lie to everyone, and that was his schtick. Whose fault is it if he's a darn good liar, and knows how to play the political game, while being a catalyst for some alliance melt-downs with some timely relay of pivotal information which he uses to ensure survivor for another week?
Will is able to give each person in that house what they needed to hear from him to stay in the house. That is the first and final objective of this game. To think it's to be the nicest so that you're well thought of at the end leads to your eviction (a la Sheryl), or it makes you get the boot like Monica for being so "nice" and "non-bullying".
You have to be passive aggressively non-threatening to have a chance to make it all the way. Will played that angle to the hilt beautifully, and along the way, has entertained thousands of people who watch the live feeds or reads them.
Will is brilliant to dragged Nicole with him into the final two because he knew that she was more disliked that he is (yes, he knows he's got enough votes to win). He knows because Nicole is disliked for her overt actions, while Will, playing the Evil Dr. Will role, will only be disliked for his covert actions (rants in the DR, which, he understood, serve to provide a backdrop to root for certain houseguests while providing cogent and entertaining commentary on the actions and attitudes of the houseguests, plus it gives something for CBS to go dig up the video to prove Will's points time and time again). Will nails each and every houseguest with his commentary because he's smart enough to know how to deal with them (or passively avoid them - like Monica). Is Will being mean when he tells it like it is? That's just being earnest and forthright. But it seems people don't want that. That want a show where people sing "Kumbaya" all day long. Imagine how many people would have paid for the live feeds to see that.
No, BB2 was redesigned to make the houseguests scheme, lie, misrepresent, and act unnaturally towards each and every houseguest because it's about surviving eviction each and every week. If you have to convince your "girlfriend" to fall on the sword for you (by acting like a beeyotch to secure eviction) to get you through an eviction week, that's smart game play.
What Will saw in Nicole was a person who was a pro-active competitor who thought that by clinging on to the power of HoH she'd be safe from eviction, and would be able to pick and choose her flunkie to stand next to her at the final vote. Will also saw that she would be easily manipulated because she's got plenty of dominance issues and control issues that make it easier to predict and control that person, you just need to understand what they need from you to get what you need from them. By being passive when Nicole blew up at him just begging for a fight, Will always "won" those confrontation by being the "adult" in those situations, and by feigning concern for the "real issues" that were bothering Nicole, he was able to mold "her" strategy for the game, not knowing that Will played her like a master concert violinist.
Will was able to do this, even with the presence of Hardy. He cajoled Hardy, made hanging out with him fun. Will totally snowed Hardy at Nicole's behest, and Will performed spectacularly here as well.
What Nicole does not understand is how Will has encouraged Nicole (conveniently paired with Hardy to the hip) to participate actively in the eviction of most of the houseguests. The only person that Will can truly be held responsible for giving the boot is Hardy, and that was payback.
No, when it comes down to the vote, I think most of the houseguests will see the true brilliance of a man who was nominated 3 times for eviction, but escaped, and then never won a HoH and still somehow made it the final two. Will convinced Nicole that she would have no shot against Monica (Will set this in motion when he booted out Hardy).
The reason Hardy kept Will was due to Bunky's lack of big picture (and his fervent desire to win HoH thinking it would secure him a spot, but it only makes you a bigger target as Will so well noted in one of his DR entries), and when Hardy made a deal with Will in the event that Will got HoH to not put up both Hardy and Nicole, Will knew that all he had to do was make sure Nicole didn't win HoH, and to let Monica win it, which he did, thus nullifying his deal with Hardy (who was not smart enough to see that Will knew that he would work at being HoH until Nicole was out of the running, and then he gave Monica HoH which sealed Hardy fate).
One other note:
And this is the final endgame that Will envisioned once we got down to 6 houseguests left in the house (Hardy, Nicole, Monica, Bunky, Krista, and Will). The trickiest one was getting Krista out of the house. But Will used Nicole's insecurities to get him over the hump on that eviction. And it was smooth sailing ever since.
09-18-01 | 02:31 PM
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No, when it comes down to the vote, I think most of the houseguests will see the true brilliance of a man who was nominated 3 times for eviction, but escaped, and then never won a HoH and still somehow made it the final two.
09-18-01 | 03:48 PM
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Patman,
Well said, I've seen a few of your posts popping up over at the fanclub. I've posted a "few" times myself, especially at the beginning of the season as a "Will supporter" after everyone was trashing him (who now ofcourse love him).
I saw him for what he was from the beginning. An entertainer, and a goofy guy likes to have fun and play "devious games" as a challange. And it served him very WELL.
Now it seems that ofcourse the fanclub people went from HATE to LOVE over the season for Will.
And now it's ironic how a growing population over there are now back to turning against him for his lies and early doings in the game and think Nicole should win?! This just confuses me, mostly for reasons you point out above.
AND some even Will supporters now are starting to think (and non-Will supporters are HOPING) that he won't have the votes because of the "mean things" he said about EVERYONE in the Diary Room. And a lot of people thinks it wasn't SMART for him to say those things.
This I don't understand. Because:
1. That's the reason the show became so good, was watching Will in action, and then give a "funny spin" most of the time bitching about another Houseguest in the Diary ROOm. SO if he didn't do those things the "fanclub members" would still be at the HATE part of the relationship and never would have grown to like him?! Did they forget this?!
2. It's actually GOTTEN WILL VOTES. He has Mike's and Shannon's anyway. ANd I think being "goofy Will" in the Diary Room showing some of the backstabbing was "all in fun" and look at me "I can make fun of everyone including myself" type attitude is probably what has won/winning KENT's and Sherrie's vote.
And finally I love how IRONIC it is for Nicole thinking that she "took Will with her to the finals" when in reality Will played her SO WELL, that he actually was bringing her along with him.
Lot's of reverse psychology going on, and basically had Nicole doing all the dirty work for him and not even knowing it.
And Nicole is just a whiner, and isn't happy (atleast in the house setting) so doesn't deserve to win. After reading posts from Jeff (her husband) he isn't even that happy with her at this point it sounds. So I can't wait to see the reaction on her face when Will wins (because in her mind that right now is an IMPOSSIBILITY, and she can't imagine being less liked than Will) lol.
Hopefully nothing funny happens that we don't know about to "suprise us". Example would be Hardy "somehow" convincing the others that Nicole is a "true person" and nice and cooked, and listened, and was a friend to everyone, etc etc and rally up votes for her "outside the house". you would think this is IMPOSSIBLE, with Hardy being the evil guy (even though Hardy didn't even know it, he though Will was always the evil guy)!
But you have to remember OUTSIDE the house their grudges should/will quickly fade and can be perceived different as a "real person" and he may convince some. I just hope not!
Well said, I've seen a few of your posts popping up over at the fanclub. I've posted a "few" times myself, especially at the beginning of the season as a "Will supporter" after everyone was trashing him (who now ofcourse love him).
I saw him for what he was from the beginning. An entertainer, and a goofy guy likes to have fun and play "devious games" as a challange. And it served him very WELL.
Now it seems that ofcourse the fanclub people went from HATE to LOVE over the season for Will.
And now it's ironic how a growing population over there are now back to turning against him for his lies and early doings in the game and think Nicole should win?! This just confuses me, mostly for reasons you point out above.
AND some even Will supporters now are starting to think (and non-Will supporters are HOPING) that he won't have the votes because of the "mean things" he said about EVERYONE in the Diary Room. And a lot of people thinks it wasn't SMART for him to say those things.
This I don't understand. Because:
1. That's the reason the show became so good, was watching Will in action, and then give a "funny spin" most of the time bitching about another Houseguest in the Diary ROOm. SO if he didn't do those things the "fanclub members" would still be at the HATE part of the relationship and never would have grown to like him?! Did they forget this?!
2. It's actually GOTTEN WILL VOTES. He has Mike's and Shannon's anyway. ANd I think being "goofy Will" in the Diary Room showing some of the backstabbing was "all in fun" and look at me "I can make fun of everyone including myself" type attitude is probably what has won/winning KENT's and Sherrie's vote.
And finally I love how IRONIC it is for Nicole thinking that she "took Will with her to the finals" when in reality Will played her SO WELL, that he actually was bringing her along with him.
Lot's of reverse psychology going on, and basically had Nicole doing all the dirty work for him and not even knowing it.
And Nicole is just a whiner, and isn't happy (atleast in the house setting) so doesn't deserve to win. After reading posts from Jeff (her husband) he isn't even that happy with her at this point it sounds. So I can't wait to see the reaction on her face when Will wins (because in her mind that right now is an IMPOSSIBILITY, and she can't imagine being less liked than Will) lol.
Hopefully nothing funny happens that we don't know about to "suprise us". Example would be Hardy "somehow" convincing the others that Nicole is a "true person" and nice and cooked, and listened, and was a friend to everyone, etc etc and rally up votes for her "outside the house". you would think this is IMPOSSIBLE, with Hardy being the evil guy (even though Hardy didn't even know it, he though Will was always the evil guy)!
But you have to remember OUTSIDE the house their grudges should/will quickly fade and can be perceived different as a "real person" and he may convince some. I just hope not!
09-18-01 | 06:24 PM
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Briank, yup, I'm crossing my fingers that the evicted houseguest will take heed to Tina's (Survivor 2) advice and not get their feeling hurt over being outwitted, outlasted, and outplayed by Will.
Those people over at the Clubhouse are some pretty skewed up people (mostly the women who can't see straight because they are so offended by what Will has SAID about the houseguests, and not paid attention to what Nicole has DONE! to the evicted houseguests).
Those people over at the Clubhouse are some pretty skewed up people (mostly the women who can't see straight because they are so offended by what Will has SAID about the houseguests, and not paid attention to what Nicole has DONE! to the evicted houseguests).
09-18-01 | 09:01 PM
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Wow! It was so cool seeing Monica totally bashing Nicole and not buying into any of her acts!! 
I cannot possibly imagine Will losing anymore, especially after seeing Krista, Monica and even Bunky's statements!
Go Will!
I cannot possibly imagine Will losing anymore, especially after seeing Krista, Monica and even Bunky's statements!
Go Will!
09-18-01 | 10:07 PM
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I'm sorry, but Monica was way off base. Did she think Will would have voted any way different?
And for her telling Julie that Nicole was lying, I have to ask, how? Nicole told her she had a better chance against Will in the finals and she had to do whatever helped her chances the most to win. She didn't lie or deceive her about this.
At least Nicole is a decent person who truly felt bad for voting Monica out, knowing that Monica is more deserving of Will to win. Will would have voted for Monica without any regrets or compassion whatsoever.
I have been rooting for Nicole to win ever since the horrible way Mike B. set her up in the beginning to lose. I thought that was a really crappy thing to do to a person. I was really happy that Nicole bounced back in the house. I think she been through quite an emotonal roller coaster ride in that house and she is a good person inside.
I think she is far more deserving than the evil doctor. The only thing Nicole ever did was look out for herself when she had to.
And for her telling Julie that Nicole was lying, I have to ask, how? Nicole told her she had a better chance against Will in the finals and she had to do whatever helped her chances the most to win. She didn't lie or deceive her about this.
At least Nicole is a decent person who truly felt bad for voting Monica out, knowing that Monica is more deserving of Will to win. Will would have voted for Monica without any regrets or compassion whatsoever.
I have been rooting for Nicole to win ever since the horrible way Mike B. set her up in the beginning to lose. I thought that was a really crappy thing to do to a person. I was really happy that Nicole bounced back in the house. I think she been through quite an emotonal roller coaster ride in that house and she is a good person inside.
I think she is far more deserving than the evil doctor. The only thing Nicole ever did was look out for herself when she had to.
09-18-01 | 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by Jadzia
I'm sorry, but Monica was way off base. Did she think Will would have voted any way different?
And for her telling Julie that Nicole was lying, I have to ask, how? Nicole told her she had a better chance against Will in the finals and she had to do whatever helped her chances the most to win. She didn't lie or deceive her about this.
At least Nicole is a decent person who truly felt bad for voting Monica out, knowing that Monica is more deserving of Will to win. Will would have voted for Monica without any regrets or compassion whatsoever.
I have been rooting for Nicole to win ever since the horrible way Mike B. set her up in the beginning to lose. I thought that was a really crappy thing to do to a person. I was really happy that Nicole bounced back in the house. I think she been through quite an emotonal roller coaster ride in that house and she is a good person inside.
I think she is far more deserving than the evil doctor. The only thing Nicole ever did was look out for herself when she had to.
I'm sorry, but Monica was way off base. Did she think Will would have voted any way different?
And for her telling Julie that Nicole was lying, I have to ask, how? Nicole told her she had a better chance against Will in the finals and she had to do whatever helped her chances the most to win. She didn't lie or deceive her about this.
At least Nicole is a decent person who truly felt bad for voting Monica out, knowing that Monica is more deserving of Will to win. Will would have voted for Monica without any regrets or compassion whatsoever.
I have been rooting for Nicole to win ever since the horrible way Mike B. set her up in the beginning to lose. I thought that was a really crappy thing to do to a person. I was really happy that Nicole bounced back in the house. I think she been through quite an emotonal roller coaster ride in that house and she is a good person inside.
I think she is far more deserving than the evil doctor. The only thing Nicole ever did was look out for herself when she had to.
OUTSIDE (I think on Saturday) she was saying how she wanted HOH so bad, so she can get "evil WILL" out so he doesn't win any money. That she would LOVE to give up all that cash just so he would LOSE. Now ofcourse she said this along time ago and things could have changed since week one, but she just TOLD MONICA this RECENTLY then turned around and did the opposite.
That's how Nicole operates, then goes off crying in the diary room asking for forgiveness and "convincing herself" that she did the right thing for her and "can keep her head held high" when in reality the whole time she has sunken lower than any of them.
The people Will lied to the most were Nicole and Hardy towards the end and mostly was because if he wasn't playing them he would have been played himself (which nobody questions or doubts). Nicole is TRUELY sick, the way she operates she needs HELP. She holds grudges, and really isn't seeing clearly.
On the couch "Why would Monica be mad at me?" "boo hoo hoo"
Well maybe because you just LIED TO HER saying you'd keep her before Will?! Hello?!
09-18-01 | 10:27 PM
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Jadzia, I'm probably the only one here who has been rooting for Monica for weeks in the face of the Will onslaught. If you go back and read my posts you will see that I predicted Will would evict Monica if he won HOH because he didn't have the character to face the tougher opponent (just like Nicole). I said Monica would evict Nicole because she would face the tougher opponent to do the right thing. We'll never know but I'm pretty sure I was right.
To me, Monica clearly deserved to win and I think her behavior on this show confirmed that to me even more. For all the reasons given by briank and others I think Nicole deserves squat. It's too bad she'll get $50,000 more than squat.
Between Nicole and Will, I'll take Will. And so will the jury. It won't be close.
To me, Monica clearly deserved to win and I think her behavior on this show confirmed that to me even more. For all the reasons given by briank and others I think Nicole deserves squat. It's too bad she'll get $50,000 more than squat.
Between Nicole and Will, I'll take Will. And so will the jury. It won't be close.
09-18-01 | 11:31 PM
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Evicted houseguests:
Monica- Vote for Will
Boogie- Vote for Will
Kent- Doesn't care who wins, fought with Nicole, so vote for Will
Krista- Feels that Nicole betrayed her, Vote for Will
Sheryl- ?
Autumn- ?
Shannon - Vote for Will
Hardy - Hates Will- Vote for Nicole
Bunky - The helicopter ride might of changed his mind about Will, vote for Will
Will- 6
Nicole- 1
Not sure- 2
That's what I think could happen with the voting
Monica- Vote for Will
Boogie- Vote for Will
Kent- Doesn't care who wins, fought with Nicole, so vote for Will
Krista- Feels that Nicole betrayed her, Vote for Will
Sheryl- ?
Autumn- ?
Shannon - Vote for Will
Hardy - Hates Will- Vote for Nicole
Bunky - The helicopter ride might of changed his mind about Will, vote for Will
Will- 6
Nicole- 1
Not sure- 2
That's what I think could happen with the voting
09-19-01 | 12:29 AM
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How much do the houseguests know about the tragedy? Just from watching the show, it's obvious they know that some hijacked planes hit the WTC towers, and the Pentagon, and that one jet crashed in Pennsylvania, but the show didnt make it clear if they knew that both of the WTC towers had collapsed, or that our nation is most likely going to war.
I can only imagine what Monicas reaction was after she got out of the house and REALLY got to see what happened for the first time.
Brian
I can only imagine what Monicas reaction was after she got out of the house and REALLY got to see what happened for the first time.
Brian
09-19-01 | 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by Jadzia
I'm sorry, but Monica was way off base. Did she think Will would have voted any way different?
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At least Nicole is a decent person who truly felt bad for voting Monica out, knowing that Monica is more deserving of Will to win. Will would have voted for Monica without any regrets or compassion whatsoever.
I'm sorry, but Monica was way off base. Did she think Will would have voted any way different?
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At least Nicole is a decent person who truly felt bad for voting Monica out, knowing that Monica is more deserving of Will to win. Will would have voted for Monica without any regrets or compassion whatsoever.
As Monica correctly interpreted: Nicole is just trying to find peace with her actions and justifies them in weepy ways.
And Monica never said Will would have voted otherwise. If you noticed she actually clearly said that she knew from the moment she saw the final 3 that she won't get into the final 2.
That was sure. However Will was never claiming to be something that he is not, as Nicole continuously does.
Nicole's bounce back from the first week was admirable indeed but this is only because she became more devious and managed for a good while to play "nice" and scheme more covertly until she totally lost it again towards the f5...
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09-19-01 | 05:20 AM
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From: On the road to reclaiming Lord Stanleys Cup, Turlock CA
Nicole? Decent person? 
Anyways, the look on her face at the end when Monica said to Will "It's on!" was priceless. She knew she just F'd herself out of 450K
Go Will!
Anyways, the look on her face at the end when Monica said to Will "It's on!" was priceless. She knew she just F'd herself out of 450K
Go Will!
09-19-01 | 08:09 AM
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Watched last night's show, and Monica's reaction to both Will and Nicole's final "taped" goodbye is very telling. She was all "kissy-kissy" and smiling when Will was paying her compliments, and all "whatever" when Nicole was yapping away with her final regards (similar to Krista's reaction when she viewed Nicole's taped regards). For Will to win over Monica speaks volumes of his gameplay and latent humanity.
Make no mistake about it, Will has won over the evicted houseguests. Nicole will be buried in the vote on Thursday night (at worst 7-2 for Will).
One more thing: I don't think Will slagged any of the evicted houseguests in the diary room (when he told Nicole he did this a couple of days ago - and got BB to promise not to show his diary room comments until after the vote), but did tell Nicole he did slag them all to give her even more false hope. No doubt about it, he's sneaky. But Will probably recorded diary entries being complimentary to all the evicted houseguests, just as he was with Monica, bacause will will want to look to be a gracious winner.
Make no mistake about it, Will has won over the evicted houseguests. Nicole will be buried in the vote on Thursday night (at worst 7-2 for Will).
One more thing: I don't think Will slagged any of the evicted houseguests in the diary room (when he told Nicole he did this a couple of days ago - and got BB to promise not to show his diary room comments until after the vote), but did tell Nicole he did slag them all to give her even more false hope. No doubt about it, he's sneaky.
But Will probably recorded diary entries being complimentary to all the evicted houseguests, just as he was with Monica, bacause will will want to look to be a gracious winner.
09-19-01 | 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by Gandalf
Right! She was also extremely sorry about voting Krista out (or actually she just begins to be sorry about that) and also she was sorry about voting Bunky and Autumn... Gee she was sorry to vote out almost anyone. Too bad she was the one who actually instrumented their outcast.
Right! She was also extremely sorry about voting Krista out (or actually she just begins to be sorry about that) and also she was sorry about voting Bunky and Autumn... Gee she was sorry to vote out almost anyone. Too bad she was the one who actually instrumented their outcast.
09-19-01 | 09:37 AM
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From: On the road to reclaiming Lord Stanleys Cup, Turlock CA
Originally posted by Jadzia
But you HAVE to vote people out, it's part of the game. It's not easy (unless you're Will) but it has to be done. She did nothing devious. Voting out the biggest threat every week is how you play the game.
But you HAVE to vote people out, it's part of the game. It's not easy (unless you're Will) but it has to be done. She did nothing devious. Voting out the biggest threat every week is how you play the game.
09-19-01 | 09:44 AM
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It's most likely the fake crying of Nicole's that turned off most of the evicted houseguests.
Plus, being in cahoots with Hardy for HoH required tha both Nicole and Hardy be looked upon as not only the strong, but the despised, so it's basic human nature that the other houseguests feel negatively towards Nicole. Will has played a passive-aggressive game where he let Hardy and Nicole do his "dirty" work, and this is why the rest of the houseguests like him more than Nicole.
Plus, being in cahoots with Hardy for HoH required tha both Nicole and Hardy be looked upon as not only the strong, but the despised, so it's basic human nature that the other houseguests feel negatively towards Nicole. Will has played a passive-aggressive game where he let Hardy and Nicole do his "dirty" work, and this is why the rest of the houseguests like him more than Nicole.