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Old 10-24-14 | 09:56 PM
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That's a cool song, for sure. Leave U2 out of it.
Old 10-24-14 | 10:34 PM
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Absolute Dissent is really good


Originally Posted by Strevlac
Boys Don't Cry
Seventeen Seconds
Faith
Pornography
The Top
I was going to post that a while ago, but when I thought about it I realized that "The Top" is not that good.
Pornography IMO is a masterpiece and is the best album by The Cure.
Old 10-24-14 | 10:39 PM
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The Cure's best run of albums is The Head on The Door, Kiss Me^3, and Disintegration.

The Top kind of fucks things up.
Old 10-24-14 | 10:42 PM
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Agree w/ The Top, everything else around it is great. Maybe if they would've replaced some of it's weaker songs with the non-album singles of that era off of Japanese Whispers EP, then it could be a contender.
Old 10-25-14 | 02:30 AM
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Re: Make a Bold Statement About Music

Originally Posted by Strevlac
Boys Don't Cry
Seventeen Seconds
Faith
Pornography
The Top
Except that "The Top" sucked. I blame it on the drugs. A silly, stupid album.

Originally Posted by inri222

I was going to post that a while ago, but when I thought about it I realized that "The Top" is not that good.
Pornography IMO is a masterpiece and is the best album by The Cure.
High five dude. "Pornography" blew my teenage mind and they never, ever equaled it, despite all the millennial love for "The Head On The Door" and related shit.
Old 10-25-14 | 09:06 AM
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What are you guys talking about? The Top is a wierd drugged out masterpiece. How can an album with Shake Dog Shake, Birdmad Girl, The Caterpillar, Dressing Up, Bananafishbones and Piggy In The Mirror be considered bad?

IMO Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me is the one that messes up the 80's run.
Old 10-25-14 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Most rap is NOT music.
So true...

Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
Bob Dylan's version of "All Along the Watchtower" is superior to Jimi Hendrix's.
Dave Mason's version of "All Along the Watchtower" is superior to both Dylan's and Hendrix's versions.

Without George Martin's production "The Beatles" would have faded into oblivion after their first album (and I'm a *huge* Beatles fan).

Ringo Starr is one of the best drummers in rock history.

Before Joe Walsh joined "The Eagles" they were just another average country-rock band.

David Bowie ceased to be relevant with the release of "Diamond Dogs."

"Tales from Topographic Oceans" is a *good* album.

Jill Sobule is a highly underrated singer/songwriter.
Old 10-25-14 | 03:03 PM
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I am a huge fan of The Beatles but Lennon's songs such as "I Am The Walrus, A Day In The Life, For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite" and the other "weird" ones are just Dylan lite.
Old 10-25-14 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by slop101
Agree w/ The Top, everything else around it is great. Maybe if they would've replaced some of it's weaker songs with the non-album singles of that era off of Japanese Whispers EP, then it could be a contender.
It's best if The Top is treated as a Robert Smith solo album.
Old 10-25-14 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by slop101

I like both those bands, and have seen both live a few times, but they're just not as good (live or on record), and they don't have the depth and breadth of material the other bands have. Their songwriting isn't as strong either.
In bizarro world, maybe.
Old 10-26-14 | 01:44 AM
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In bizarro world, maybe.
No, in the real world, both QotSA and Tool just beat the same thing on the head over and over, never innovating, deviating or progressing beyond their first album. What they do, they do well, but that is all they do, and they're stuck in a tired rut.
Old 10-26-14 | 08:30 AM
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posting five popular and successful albums in a row as evidence of the "best" period in an artist's career is hardly a "bold statement" about music.

Example:

2112
Farewell to Kings
Hemispheres
Permanent Waves
Moving Pictures

is hardly controversial.

Hold Your Fire
Presto
Roll The Bones
Counterparts
Test For Echo

would be fairly bold in light of their better output.
Old 10-26-14 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BobO'Link
Without George Martin's production "The Beatles" would have faded into oblivion after their first album (and I'm a *huge* Beatles fan).
Interesting. You may have something there. In fact, the very first Beatles album I owned, because it was the only one I could afford, was an album of George Martin instrumentals of Beatles tunes. It might have been an alternate soundtrack of A HARD DAY'S NIGHT without the songs. We're talking 50 years ago.
Old 10-26-14 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason
posting five popular and successful albums in a row as evidence of the "best" period in an artist's career is hardly a "bold statement" about music.
My initial post was that one band's best 5 consecutive albums were better than any other band's 5 consecutive albums. Which was a bold statement.

I didn't mean for this thread to devolve into people rattling off their favorite 5 consecutive albums from random bands.
Old 10-26-14 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by slop101
My initial post was that one band's best 5 consecutive albums were better than any other band's 5 consecutive albums. Which was a bold statement.

I didn't mean for this thread to devolve into people rattling off their favorite 5 consecutive albums from random bands.
Well, since I included The Top and most people seem to hate that one, I guess you could consider that somewhat bold.
Old 10-26-14 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by slop101
No, in the real world, both QotSA and Tool just beat the same thing on the head over and over, never innovating, deviating or progressing beyond their first album. What they do, they do well, but that is all they do, and they're stuck in a tired rut.
Uh. No.
Old 10-27-14 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by slop101
Some fey little pussy band called Belle & Sebastian. They're not bad, just sissies. I actually like their album "Life Pursuit", but I'd never put them or their work up as the best or greatest of anything.
"pussy band"?? Wow.

They have near perfect pop song structure.
Old 10-27-14 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by slop101
Bold statement:

The greatest American rock band of the past 25 years is The Black Crowes (or maybe Wilco)*.


*This has more to do with the abysmal state of American rock music than it does with the Crowes or Wilco, though they are great.
I said that 3 pages ago except I don't equivocate. And Black Crowes.

Not a bold statement anymore.
Old 10-27-14 | 03:11 PM
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Re: Make a Bold Statement About Music

Originally Posted by CRM114
If You're Feeling Sinister
The Boy with the Arab Strap
Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant
Dear Catastrophe Waitress
The Life Pursuit
Fold Your Hands was only half of a good album...too much forced democracy.
After that, B&S kind of disappeared up their own ass (although the Books EP is fantastic).

P.S. You forgot Storytelling, but so did everyone else.
Old 10-27-14 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CRM114
"pussy band"?? Wow.

They have near perfect pop song structure.
I'm not talking structure, but aesthetics. Their sound doesn't have the weight of their words.
Old 10-28-14 | 07:54 AM
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Fold Your Hands is a great album and dismissed by early B&S fans as the start of the evolution into a different sounding band. That different sounding band is not "in their own ass" but a better version of the band. (I do agree that Talk About Love is a letdown but I think even they know that.)

Regardless, this is a tangential topic that I had no plans of carrying forward. I just think they are a brilliant band. As for their "sound", I wouldn't call Nick Drake a pussy either - listen to Hazey Jane II and then listen to a B&S album.
Old 10-28-14 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by slop101
And I may as well put in the bold statement that MSP is the greatest rock band of the last 25 years.
Agreed. And they are honestly still getting better.

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That's a great four album run!
Old 10-28-14 | 10:49 AM
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Journey is the greatest American rock band.
Old 10-28-14 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by madcougar
Journey is the greatest American rock band.
Old 10-28-14 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by slop101
I'm not talking structure, but aesthetics. Their sound doesn't have the weight of their words.
I don't know why music has to be "heavy" or "weighty" to match profound or meaningful lyrics. I would argue it definitely need not. Think about all of the powerful folk music.


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