A band's creative lifespan
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A band's creative lifespan
I've had this theory buzzing around the brain for a while and wanted to toss it out here to see what people think.
If you look in retrospect, it seems many but by no means all artists seem to have a five-year span where they are at a creative peak, often bookended by two great albums. After that, one thing or another derails them. They get older, married, priorities change, suffer a tragedy or become victims of their success. As evidence:
Led Zeppelin: 1969-1974 (first album-Physical Graffiti)
Pink Floyd: 1974-1979 (DSotM-The Wall)
Not much of a Stones fan but it looks like 68-73 was their peak
U2: 1983-1988 (War-Rattle & Hum)
Rush: 1976-1981 (2112-Moving Pictures)
Aerosmith: 1973-1978 (debut-Draw the Line)
And I've seen it in metal bands a lot.
Metallica: 1983-1987 (debut-AJfA)
Slayer: 1986-1991 (Reign-Seasons)
Nevermore: 1995-2000 (debut-DHiaDW)
In Flames: 1995-2000 (Jester Race-Clayman)
Iron Maiden: 1982-1988 (ok six years, TNotB-SSoaSS)
I apply this to the truly unique bands who make a new album every time. I don't apply it to a AC/DC, where they basically remake the same album every time (and even they admit it).
Some of them have had great revivals. Aerosmith, U2, Slayer, Rush and Metallica all had great rebirths after a real creative low.
So, thoughts?
If you look in retrospect, it seems many but by no means all artists seem to have a five-year span where they are at a creative peak, often bookended by two great albums. After that, one thing or another derails them. They get older, married, priorities change, suffer a tragedy or become victims of their success. As evidence:
Led Zeppelin: 1969-1974 (first album-Physical Graffiti)
Pink Floyd: 1974-1979 (DSotM-The Wall)
Not much of a Stones fan but it looks like 68-73 was their peak
U2: 1983-1988 (War-Rattle & Hum)
Rush: 1976-1981 (2112-Moving Pictures)
Aerosmith: 1973-1978 (debut-Draw the Line)
And I've seen it in metal bands a lot.
Metallica: 1983-1987 (debut-AJfA)
Slayer: 1986-1991 (Reign-Seasons)
Nevermore: 1995-2000 (debut-DHiaDW)
In Flames: 1995-2000 (Jester Race-Clayman)
Iron Maiden: 1982-1988 (ok six years, TNotB-SSoaSS)
I apply this to the truly unique bands who make a new album every time. I don't apply it to a AC/DC, where they basically remake the same album every time (and even they admit it).
Some of them have had great revivals. Aerosmith, U2, Slayer, Rush and Metallica all had great rebirths after a real creative low.
So, thoughts?
Last edited by Traxan; 08-13-11 at 01:44 PM.
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You don't consider Achtung Baby to be part of U2's peak, but consider Rattle & Hum part of U2's prime? That theory doesn't hold water, at least with that band.
On the other hand, Pearl Jam certainly fits the profile with their peak in their first four albums 1991-1996.
On the other hand, Pearl Jam certainly fits the profile with their peak in their first four albums 1991-1996.
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I think a lot of bands "blow their wad" on their first(and sometimes second) album since those contain songs they've been crafting for some time. Obviously the great bands will have more to offer but i do think there's always that time span where a band does it's best work. Plus there's always that thing bands do where they try to change what they've been doing that often divides their musical career and divides fans opinion on them.
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Guns 'N Roses is an obvious example, with their notable albums being released from 1987-1991.
I guess the Beatles could work, if you include A Hard Day's Night (1964) through Abbey Road (1969). But, some would say their entire career was a peak.
I guess the Beatles could work, if you include A Hard Day's Night (1964) through Abbey Road (1969). But, some would say their entire career was a peak.
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Interesting thought. There's always exceptions, of course. Motorhead would be one. (I was one of those people that went around saying "only their first 4 albums were any good"; then I got called on it and actually listened to their "newer" stuff and had to disregard saying that anymore).
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The Stones doesn't work because their 1973 album was Goat's Head Soup, which was a noticeable step down from 1972's Exile On Main St. Also, several of their mid-60's albums are absolutely brilliant, like Between The Buttons.
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I think many PJ fans(including myself) would disagree with that.
I think a lot of bands "blow their wad" on their first(and sometimes second) album since those contain songs they've been crafting for some time. Obviously the great bands will have more to offer but i do think there's always that time span where a band does it's best work. Plus there's always that thing bands do where they try to change what they've been doing that often divides their musical career and divides fans opinion on them.
I think a lot of bands "blow their wad" on their first(and sometimes second) album since those contain songs they've been crafting for some time. Obviously the great bands will have more to offer but i do think there's always that time span where a band does it's best work. Plus there's always that thing bands do where they try to change what they've been doing that often divides their musical career and divides fans opinion on them.
BTW I forgot one more example: KISS. 1974-79, although Dynasty was nothing to brag about.
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Interesting thought. There's always exceptions, of course. Motorhead would be one. (I was one of those people that went around saying "only their first 4 albums were any good"; then I got called on it and actually listened to their "newer" stuff and had to disregard saying that anymore).
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I would argue Motorhead falls into the same category as AC/DC in that they don't really change much from album to album. I know 'head fans will go nuts, but the band has slowed as Lemmy has aged. He's 66, after all. Latter albums just aren't as ferocious as the Eddie/Philthy days.
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Great topic and i agree with 5 year on average peak. I mean we are talking creative peaks. Even if they have good to great albums after. Nothing like those 5 years. And yeah there are always exceptions. Here's my picks.
Van Halen (1978-1983)
The Black Crowes (1990-1995)
Van Halen (1978-1983)
The Black Crowes (1990-1995)
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The Cure: 1982 (Pornography) - 1989 (Disintegration)
Seven years... unless you want to start with Head on the Door instead of Pornography.
Seven years... unless you want to start with Head on the Door instead of Pornography.
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Disagree with the U2 one because I think most people would agree Achtung Baby was much better than Rattle And Hum. Rattle And Hum was them becoming dangerously close to self-parody and burning out, Achtung Baby was their renewal and helped save them. Now after AB things would never be the same again, but I would say most people would put it alongside War, Unforgettable and Joshua when it comes to "the big four"
Others I think would work, though it isn't all five year spans, but close enough:
Stevie Wonder 1972-1976 (Music Of My Mind through Songs In The Key Of Life. Hotter Than July in 1980 was quite good, but between Songs and July was Journey Through The Secret Life Of Plants)
David Bowie 1976-1980 (Station To Station through Scary Monsters, I know some people prefer the Ziggy/glam stuff but to me 1976-1980 is the Bowie that I truly love, he was edgier and more experimental and his voice was in its best form. After 1980 came the pop years, I did enjoy Let's Dance but it was a step down from the five that preceded it)
Prince 1980-1987 (Dirty Mind through Sign O' The Times. Seven years, but seven great albums. Although albums like Controversy and Parade don't get the love they deserve because they're sandwiched between albums like 1999, Purple Rain and Sign O' The Times, they were all very consistently excellent. He seemed to blow his wad on SOTT because afterwards was when he lost some of his magic. "Lovesexy" in 1988 was pretty good for a rushed effort (as he recorded it to make up for the canceled Black Album) but it wasn't as great as his standards, and then Batman came and proved the magic era was over)
Queen 1974-1980 (Queen II through The Game. Six years but those albums between 74-80 were the albums that made them the beloved icons they're remembered for today. After The Game came Flash Gordon and Hot Space, two albums that divide fans. I personally think Hot Space is underrated myself but it is not amongst their classic works.)
Others I think would work, though it isn't all five year spans, but close enough:
Stevie Wonder 1972-1976 (Music Of My Mind through Songs In The Key Of Life. Hotter Than July in 1980 was quite good, but between Songs and July was Journey Through The Secret Life Of Plants)
David Bowie 1976-1980 (Station To Station through Scary Monsters, I know some people prefer the Ziggy/glam stuff but to me 1976-1980 is the Bowie that I truly love, he was edgier and more experimental and his voice was in its best form. After 1980 came the pop years, I did enjoy Let's Dance but it was a step down from the five that preceded it)
Prince 1980-1987 (Dirty Mind through Sign O' The Times. Seven years, but seven great albums. Although albums like Controversy and Parade don't get the love they deserve because they're sandwiched between albums like 1999, Purple Rain and Sign O' The Times, they were all very consistently excellent. He seemed to blow his wad on SOTT because afterwards was when he lost some of his magic. "Lovesexy" in 1988 was pretty good for a rushed effort (as he recorded it to make up for the canceled Black Album) but it wasn't as great as his standards, and then Batman came and proved the magic era was over)
Queen 1974-1980 (Queen II through The Game. Six years but those albums between 74-80 were the albums that made them the beloved icons they're remembered for today. After The Game came Flash Gordon and Hot Space, two albums that divide fans. I personally think Hot Space is underrated myself but it is not amongst their classic works.)
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I'm going with personal faves. Diamond Dogs, Pin Ups and Young Americans are good albums but not amongst his best IMO. Everything from 76-80 was ***** and I prefer it to the earlier stuff everyone cums over.
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The entire Depeche Mode history really comprises of two bands, the 81-84 period of New Wave pop and the 84-90 period of Alternative/Goth. Stuff like Oberkorn hinted at the future.
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I would say you're pretty spot on with those bands. Although I would give Slayer a few more years because even now their new stuff sounds good.