This guys getting weirder than Jacko. And that's from someone who's seen them twice. The last being 2002? I know I was at 1 of just a handful of shows since the tour was canceled.

My bro saw Axl's G'n'R last Sunday at Hard Rock in Vegas -- he said the show was off the charts. No mention on the album though.

At this rate, even Gilby Clarke will release an album before TCD.

Gilby has released several albums and EPs, actually--Axl even appeared on one.

But I didn't include Gilby, 'cause I was just sticking with the original guys.

I dont think he should ever release it. I mean come on, WAY to much build up and I think the majority of people who have heard his voice over the past few years will agree that its gone. So it will be released, diehard GnR fans will love it cause their god is back, and people who are not so easily swayed will tear it to pieces. He just doesnt have one of those personalties you want to like or help, or have pity for. He looks like such a poser these days too. I dont see how he can be taken serious anymore.
I would have liked to hear Chinese Democracy about 10 years ago, but now I have no real interest in hearing his broken horrid voice, and I certaintly dont want to keep seeing his self absorbed massive ego on tv. I get the idea he still thinks hes in 1988 and is the bomb. Even with MTV having him do the final performance a few years back at the VMAs, and acting as if it was the best thing ever, it still couldnt hide the fact that he sucked. Musically fine, voice crappy.
If it comes out and they fixed his vocals, whatever, fine, cool, but if not.....

Not only that, but Gilby has produced a few albums including the Bronx, Beat Angels, & Crash Kelly.

Axl's voice is gone?

This is from June 2006 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzfABIMXpac

What are you talking about?

That wasn't that good....his voice craps out a bunch..and his high register is pretty much a high 'croak'...sure he shines in a few parts but overall i wasn't that impressed...maybe I'm slightly biased because axl is a racist, obnoxious dick...

I'll give you the last two, but racist? Do you have anything to back that up? That's a pretty serious allegation.

oh boy.... is this gonna be the "one in a million" debate all over again?

disagree on the you tube 2006 rock am ring performance, that ROCKED

I saw axl and company in the 90s with metallica (they played first)

it was 3 hours of metallica, 3 hours of waiting for axl (ass-ho)
no liquor sold (yeah) no pass outs (yeah) sitting around the arena in the halls due to boredeom, people weren't in a particularly good mood by the time showtime rolled around again.

in something of an over correctiom for the 'one In a million' accusations perhaps, when axl finally did come out he was wearing a 'Free Mike Tyson' t-shirt as he walked on to the stage. this is in indiana, where tyson had just been incarcertated for raping some chick. axl was like 'fuck-in indiana' blah blah.......

anyway, besides trying to raise the ire of every redneck in marion county, or their wives at least, guns did once again ROCK. 9 hour show total. I went and immediately bought a 6 pack at 3 am. the st louis(?) riot show followed not to long after where people tore out the seats and destroyed the stage and set etc.

but I'd say he sounds better in this nightrain than when I saw him in the 90s. more passionate for sure. a LONG way from the out of breath paunchy vma performance.

on the other hand the metallica/guns show I saw was during the end period Illusion tour with horns & girl background singers and butchering the stone's 'wild horses' and stuff so, not his prime.

I think they sound like what they are, a rocking well rehearsed apparently pretty well oiled band ready to tour their new album. I'll be going.... it'd be worth it to me just to see tommy stinson again

amidst all the great bands and music out there now, I think somehow there's still a place for what was la sunset strip rock in the late 80s. or not. certainly nobody's aping that style anymore (cough) velvet revolver. I haven't heard any of the leaked chinese democracy though so I don't know how that fits into the overall canon

dabl

I just seen Tommy Stinson last night playing with Soul Asylum. Man that guy still can rock as well as the rest of Soul Asylum. Was well worth the $20 ticket price, would have gladly paid $50. By the way the show was in Milwaukee with a crowd of maybe 400 people.

GUNS N' ROSES ANNOUNCE "CHINESE DEMOCRACY" NORTH AMERICAN TOUR AND STRATEGIC RELATIONSHIP WITH MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL ADVANCED MEDIA
Hot on the heels of their sell out shows last week in Las Vegas, San Francisco and KROQ's Inland Invasion in Los Angeles Guns N' Roses announce the first leg of their "Chinese Democracy" North American Tour.

The tour which will kick off on the 20th of October in Jacksonville, Florida finds the band in top form having spent the summer in Europe playing to 700,000 plus people over 32 shows in 18 countries, making it one of the biggest tours of the year on the continent and in the UK. Concert goers were not let down as Axl Rose and his band mates Dizzy Reed, Robin Finck, Richard Fortus, Tommy Stinson, Chris Pitman, Brain and Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal burned through classics such as "Welcome to the Jungle," "Paradise City," "Nightrain," "Mr. Brownstone," "November Rain" and "Sweet Child O' Mine" as well as highlighting soon to be favourites from the forthcoming "Chinese Democracy" album.

Just this week, the Hollywood Reporter's concert review of KROQ's Inland Invasion observed, "when headliner Guns N' Roses took the stage everything old became new again - and everything new on the bill, just couldn't hold a candle in comparison... the night belonged to Guns N' Roses!"

Axl Rose commented, "We had an amazing tour in Europe this summer and last week’s shows here in the US were great. It's been a long time getting here but we look forward to coming to your town and having a lot of fun."

Sebastian Bach who has been guesting with Guns N' Roses on "My Michelle" will open the entire tour with the Special Guest slot going to a number of great bands starting with Papa Roach for the dates through the 3rd of November. The shows have been planned to cater to a Guns N' Roses rock n' roll party atmosphere with Sebastian hitting the stage every night at 8 pm followed by the Special Guest at 9 pm and Guns N' Roses shortly after 10 pm and lots of great music in between.

Guns N' Roses are also delighted to announce that they have partnered with Major League Baseball Advanced Media (MLB.COM) to provide their fans with premium ticketing opportunities and up to the minute information on the tour and the band's other activities via gunsnroses.com which will be launched as of tomorrow.

As for Guns N' Roses forthcoming "Chinese Democracy" album the only comment at this time is that there are 13 Tuesdays left between now and the end of the year.

The itinerary for the "Chinese Democracy" North American Tour is as follows. Tickets for most dates go on sale on the 30th of September with up to the minute information and pre-sales available now at gunsnroses.com.

October

10/20/06 Jacksonville, FL Vets Memorial Arena
10/22/06 Nashville, TN Gaylord Entertainment Center
10/24/06 Sunrise, FL BankAtlantic Center
10/25/06 St. Petersburg, FL St. Pete Times Forum
10/27/06 Estero, FL Germain Arena
10/29/06 San Juan, Puerto Rico Jose Miguel Agrelot Coliseum

November

11/2/06 Greensboro, NC Greensboro Coliseum
11/3/06 Huntington, WV Big Sandy Superstore Arena
11/5/06 East Rutherford, NJ Continental Airlines Arena
11/6/06 Portland, ME Cumber County Civic Center
11/8/06 Worcester, MA Worcester Centrum
11/10/06 New York, NY Madison Square Garden
11/13/06 Baltimore, MD 1st Mariner
11/15/06 Toronto, ON Air Canada Centre
11/17/06 Ottawa, ON Scotiabank
11/18/06 Quebec Colisee Pepsi
11/20/06 Halifax, NS Halifax Metro Centre
11/24/06 Cleveland, OH Quicken Loans Arena
11/25/06 Auburn Hills, MI The Palace of Auburn Hills
11/27/06 Chicago, IL Allstate Arena
11/29/06 Milwaukee, WI Bradley Center

December

12/1/06 Ames, IA Hilton Coliseum
12/2/06 Minneapolis, MN Target Center
12/4/06 Winnipeg, MB MTS Centre
12/6/06 Calgary, AB Pengrowth Saddledome
12/7/06 Edmonton, AB Rexall Place
12/10/06 Everett, WA Everett Events Center
12/11/06 Portland, OR Rose Garden
12/13/06 Fresno, CA Save Mart Center
12/15/06 Oakland, CA Oakland Coliseum
12/17/06 Universal City, CA Gibson Amphitheatre
12/19/06 Universal City, CA Gibson Amphitheatre

January

1/10/07 Sacramento, CA ARCO Arena
1/11/07 Bakersfield, CA Rabobank Arena
1/13/07 Reno, NV Reno Events Ctr
1/16/07 San Diego, CA iPayOne Center

Dvd josh - here's some of the lyrics to one in a million from GNR Lies

Police and ******s
That's right
Get out of my way
Don't need to buy none of your
Goldchains today

Immigrants and faggots
They make no sense to me
They come to our country
And think they'll do as they please
Like start some mini Iran
Or spread some fucking disease
They talk so many goddamn ways
It's all greek to me

the blanked word is the 'n' word

"nitrogen"?

yes nitrogen..and as you can see by the 's' on the end, pluralized

So since 50 Cent says the n-word no less than 200 times on his recent album, does that make him 200 times more racist than Axl?

Axl was writing about what the environment was like in LA when he first got there from Indiana.

I'll let Axl explain it himself:

http://heretodaygonetohell.com/artic...hp?articleid=3

Looks like Axl was a fucking moron back then as well.

Sounds like a lot of backpedaling...I've read like 5 other excuses he gives for using the word ******, all different.... ...and what about the immigrants and faggots part??...if ****** is a word he uses to describe a bother to him, then immigrants must be a word he uses to describe his chronic back pain and faggots must be the word he uses for a shitty batch of heroin....it's a blatant enough, and if he thinks anyone's going to buy any of those excuses, then he must be a DUMB racist tool...

Keep in mind that he was 24 when he wrote that song. You're the only one I've heard mention "One In A Million" as a racist song in at least ten years, so either you're behind the times, or you're just too ignorant to accept lyrics for their contextual meaning, and not at face value.

Here's another Axl interview on the subject (from 20 years ago, when the controversy died):

http://heretodaygonetohell.com/artic...hp?articleid=2

"you're just too ignorant to accept lyrics for their contextual meaning, and not at face value"

Hahahahahahaha - sorry...i guess I'm just not imaginitive enough to draw a different meaning from those lyrics...i mean they are pretty vague and open for personal interperatation...i guess Slash didn't get it either when he said "I'll say only I wasn't for that song at all, and I refuse to play it on the shows."

and by the way...Axl's a fucking moron...He doesn't like gays because of AIDS?..that's his reason?? His dirty needles are more in danger of spreading AIDS than gays are...He hates immigrants because of the guy at the gas station??..then I hate white chicks, because some waitress pissed me off last night and gave me shitty service...They're bullshit responses to save his ass in the press so people would keep financing his drug binges and those were the best things they could come up with. I guess the PR at Geffin was a little lacking at the time....

No one knew all that much about AIDS back in the '80s.

Axl's main problem was that he said "n****ers" and not "***********as". "ers" is racist.

I think there are more than the two positions you suggest but I happily admit to having no time/respect for Axl Rose. I think the guy is a waste of space/time and I endeavour never put money in his pocket.