PerryD

How would we be able to see Flash, Wonder Woman, and Superman if they didn't slow it down? The fight scenes would be one big blur. Kind of reminds me of Six Million Dollar man though, I never understood why they slowed the footage down when trying to show him moving super fast.

fujishig

And I said it before, I highly doubt there is an actual Gotham City Bank Prize Jackpot, he made it up. Unless this is a thing with some banks in which case let me know which one so I can switch!

Even the visual representation of this is him just adding money to her account. You can imagine he made it up so that she wouldn't feel like this was in error and try to return the money.

As far as money being an abstract concept, I don't think a bank can just add money digitally without some form of checks and balances (though I don't know exactly how it works) so it's easier to imagine he pulled an Office Space or stole from the rich or something but otherwise made it untraceable somehow. Or the lady is about to go to jail. I dunno.

d2cheer

Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one. Logic is hard for some as you know...Apparently there needed to be a sign in the window saying Sign Up for Gotham City Bank Prize Jackpot!!!

fujishig

Maybe I'm just too cynical. I can more easily suspend my disbelief for resurrected flying aliens in capes than a bank giving away 100,000 dollars in a lottery.

majorjoe23

Yeah, there was no contest. If she had just checked her account and saw $100,000, she likely would have contacted the bank and told them there must be an error. By making it “contest winnings,” she would accept it as good fortune, rather than a mistake.

maxfisher

This latest tangent is a great illustration of the problem with Snyder having unchecked creative control. Of course there actually being some Gotham Bank ‘hey, you win $100k’ contest is such a stupid idea that most of us immediately assume it had to be a cover created by Cyborg. But true believers remember details like the only reason Batman didn’t straight up murder Superman is that their mothers have the same name. Those fans know that a Gotham Bank sweepstakes barely even registers on the scale of how dumb of an idea Snyder can come up with, so why not take it at face value. For all we know, he storyboarded out a whole subplot where there were commercials for the sweepstakes, the lady going on morning talk shows to gush about winning it, her kids getting bullied at school because their mom was on tv and then some robber breaking her favorite necklace by pulling it taut against the slide of his handgun and firing it into her chest. Who’s to say in the Snyderverse?

Giantrobo

Dude, it's a DCEU thread. Nitpicking is what they do.

E Unit

Another amusing aspect - 4 hours and we still don't have better direction on stuff like this.

GoldenJCJ

I did appreciate immediately following the “Gotham City Bank Jackpot” shot that we see the people walking down the street recoil at the sight of Cyborg. Typically on movies like this, extras just walk down the street and never react to someone the way a normal person would.

Runaway

4 hours and the lottery is the biggest critizism people can come up with?

E Unit

Yep, that's it. That's why this thread is only 14 pages so far.

Runaway

Well it feels like most of those 14 pages are focussing on the lottery. I liked the movie and even I have bigger complaints than the stupid Cyborg montage. It was just a way of showing that Cyborg is a cyber genius and a decent guy in a comic book movie. It's not The King's Speech.

Draven

It’s one example from a lot of examples. In my initial review I listed like 20 dumb ass moments in the movie. Happy to tackle them all!

Toddarino

If by 14 you mean 2 then yes. If you’d like to discuss the other issues with this film, I’m more than willing to reiterate the problems I had.

Abob Teff

GoldenJCJ

I really liked the movie and I can name a handful of problems, the least of which is the Gotham City Bank Jackpot.

The numerous musical interludes throughout the first hour, to start.

and more of a pet peeve than a problem but those Amazon women have a ceremony for EVERYTHING! They’re in a hurry to warn Diana of the incoming intergalactic invasion....but first, they need to light torches and dress up in ceremonial garb, then they need to slowly walk the box with the sacred arrow in it out to the cliff side like it’s a damn funeral, then they have to slowly and ritualistically lift the arrow out of the box and rattle off a long dialogue about the meaning of the arrow, then they have to recite some ancient text, then slowly aim the arrow into the night sky, but before she shoots it, she has to make a final speech...

Jesus, it’s an emergency. Grab the fucking arrow and shoot it!

Hokeyboy

The cognitive dissonance here is astounding. I wish you well.

clckworang

At first, I had no problem with the ATM machine scene other than I thought the jackpot thing was a dumb cover for Cyborg to create. Now I see a bigger issue if some people seem to think there was an actual bank jackpot prize, much like a slot machine.

Wait. Am I being punked right now? It was an ATM. She got an insufficient funds notice. Cyborg put money in her account. He created the silly jackpot screen. .

Josh-da-man

Trvth.

Michael Corvin

I won't lie, I had a split second "how's that work?" thought when Cyborg pulled the ATM stunt but then I realized I'm watching a fucking comic book movie where characters fly, time travel is a thing, boom tubes beam in bad guys from another dimension and heroes get the shit beat out of them with nary a scratch.

You guys are too much.

Runaway

Since you wanted to go into detail. I cut out what I considered your taste, since it's pointless to discuss taste.

• The Martian Manhunter scene was nothing more than fan service. Snyder was cleary searching for a scene in his own movie, where he could cram him in. That's not pretty clever, but stupid fan service we see in every comic book movie, every Stan Lee appearence e.g.
• Subtlety is definitely not a tool in Snyder's toolbox, my wife doesn't like most comic book movies but she was watching part of the Snyder Cut and at one point said: "The movie missed the chance for more epic pictures, only every other picture tries to be epic." I guess that descibres Snyder's movies.
• I wasn't bored at all, but I caught myself several times thinking this is a scene which could/must be shorter, some of them actually play better in Whedon's Cut.
• I wouldn't have gone with the 4:3, but I didn't took notice after a while, but I guess if you're not enjoying yourself anyway and don't get lost in the movie, you get bothered by it, but I guess widescreen
• Superman making the Justice League obsolete is a problem which Snyder didn't create and can't fix, but I do think he did a pretty good job, in giving everything a task that helped to stop Steppenwolf's plan and while Superman could do all of those tasks, he couldn't do them all at once, so a team was necessary.
• I didn't care for the song and before that Bruce riding a horse was much longer than necessary. The part on Island was better in Whedon's Cut. Showing Momoa taking his shirt of, before going into the sea is mandatory, but not three times. I also wondered if he takes his shirt of everytime, why was he wearing a shirt when rescuing the fisherman.
• Meera isn't the only one who can make bubbles, Vulko makes a bubble too, but it's a stupid concept and I'm glad they didn't reuse it for the Aquaman movie.
• I liked the epilogue, it's a stretched out post credit scene and why not put in the cliffhanger. It at least forshadowes what could have been, that's the whole point of the exercise.
• I don't see a problem in wrecking his vehicles. It's not like they where useless and why be gentle if you're in a war? Iron Man goes through several suits in every movie.
• Obviously he can fix plastic too, not realistic enough?

fujishig

True, I don't actually care that much about this one particular scene, I'm just legitimately surprised that it was open to interpretation and I do think it's a fair point to consider where the money came from. But not so much that I was thinking about it through the entire movie or anything.


For instance, the whole Darkseid forgetting about Earth thing is way more central to the plot and confusing to me than the ATM. It feels like there should have been another reason Darkseid stayed away from Earth for so long, especially considering the gigantic visual of what looks like the anti-life equation etched on the ground (but maybe that was something else?) and the fact that he conquers a thousands of worlds on the regular and this one gave him an axe to the chest and caused him his (only?) defeat.

On a side note, this does remind me of the time we discussed Man of Steel, and some said they were bothered by all the destruction in Metropolis and that thousands of people must have died in that carnage. Then others adamantly defended the movie saying no way, they obviously all got evacuated off screen. Then Snyder himself says nah, tons of people died, and uses that in the beginning of his next movie.

Mike86

Finally got around to watching this over the past couple days. The chapter breaks do work pretty well as stopping points in the film. So that’s nice if a person wants to break up the movie instead of dedicating four hours at once.

Overall I liked this new cut quite a bit. It still has some issues, but overall it’s a much better flowing movie, and aspects I didn’t like in the theatrical version are better.

For instance I would say after watching this version of the film that Ezra Miller as Barry/The Flash is actually pretty good. In the theatrical version he was joking around all the time where his character was annoying. Here he had his moments where he was making jokes or making light of situations, but it was much more balanced.

Also Steppenwolf was actually a fairly good villain in this. Instead of just being a generic bad guy he had decent motivation. Also liked the glimpses of Darkseid and company we were shown. It was just enough to set up his presence, but not so much where it didn’t fit.

Some of the side characters in this really grew on me more too. I like Irons as Alfred and Simmons as Gordon. It’s really too bad that Affleck is probably out as Batman for good as I’d like to see him back along with those supporting characters.

Another thing is while I’m still not a huge fan of the character Cyborg definitely has a larger and more important role in Snyder’s film. A good chunk of the film is pretty much dedicated to him, and it almost feels like this was half his origin story.

My biggest takeaway from the Snyder cut is that I truly don’t understand how anyone at WB thought Whedon’s version was better. Had they brought him in to just finish up the film and maybe tighten up the run time a bit for the theatrical run I could understand more.

It feels like they just wasted a bunch of money on reshoots on a film that wasn’t nearly as good. Just a bizarre choice.

Overall this movie was enjoyable. I took issues with Snyder’s DC films initially, but I think this was a good effort. It’s a shame this isn’t the film we initially got and likely will be the end of versions of some of the characters. I would enjoy seeing more of Affleck as Batman and Cavill as Superman.

Noonan

They basically just wanted to copy Marvel/Avengers, making it a much brighter color pallet and more lighthearted. Even though that went 100% against the two films leading into JL. It was partially doomed long before then though, with WB not wanting to properly build the universe and instead introduce major characters during JL with little/no backstory. All within a 2 hour cut.

fujishig

I agree that the Snyder cut is better, which makes sense given how the Whedon cut was put together. However there is no chance even if he stayed at the helm that he would've been able to release a four hour cut, so I still think a lot of that side character stuff falls on the cutting room floor because the plot as is is just too dense.