NO! That is not COMMON SENSE! Stop trying to pretend scientists can have physical interests and hobbies!! /s

By the way, I'm not sure if it was in the other thread, but a page of the original script was leaked.

When did I say that I was following them around the store? Here I'll set the entire scene up for you. I was in the Lego store looking at The Simpsons house set. Next to it was the Ghostbusters fire house. A little kid walked up and said it looked cool. Then he asked his Mom about a new movie and she said there was one but it didn't look very good.

[QUOTEA movie with four dudes = totally normal

A movie with four chicks = pandering trash

If the remake is a gimmick, so was the original. But for a certain segment of the male audience, gimmicks are only bad when they're aimed at a different demographic.][/QUOTE]

Not the same thing. Dan Akroyd came up with a concept of four male scientists who fight ghosts. It was his original organic story concept that he came up with, thus it wasn't a gimmick in terms of the story he was trying to tell. By the same token, Paul Feig's entire pitch was Ghostbusters with women. So yes, this was nothing more than a gimmick because it wasn't an organic concept and was done for no other reason than trying a gimmick. It would be no different than if we got another 21 Jumpstreet remake where someone said we should have two females instead of two men.

Winner, winner! Why the feminists on this board can't seem to figure this out I have no idea.

You don't think scientists have gym memberships or physically intense hobbies?

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

Women who go to the gym three times a week are in better shape than Dan Aykroyd was. McKinnon, Wiig and Jones certainly look that fit, and you know there are going to be jokes about McCarthy huffing-and-puffing under the physical strain of the job.

It hasn't. It's likely going to be the same quality as any other reboot of a classic '80s film. But it'll be that way because it's a reboot of a classic, not because it's full of girl cooties as certain people keep insisting.

Yes, actually I've known several female scientists, doctors, lawyers and computer programmers who routinely go backpacking, mountain climbing, caving, skiing and whitewater rafting. These are not uncommon hobbies. Anyone who can handle them can handle a forty pound backpack.

I don't wanna live in this world anymore.

So pitching a movie where the lead characters are male is "organic," but pitching the exact same story with women is a "gimmick"?

Yeah, you're not using a double-standard at all.

Yeah. It's not that hard to lift 40lbs on your back. And if you workout... even better.

Here he goes completely off the rails.

First of all what weighs more: A ton of feathers or a ton of bricks? What the backpack is made, or what's inside of it is irrelevant. Back country hikers routinely carry 20 to 80 pounds. Whether it's 80 pounds of food and equipment or 80 pounds of lead bars is irrelevant. 80 pounds is 80 pounds.

Second, from my experience in the backcountry it's a meeting of the high and low. The people attracted to the sport are mostly people with low education (high school or college drop outs living as vagabonds) and people of high education (professionals with 4 years college or above), and not very much in between. On several occasions I have encountered college professors while hiking. It definitely attracts academic and intellectual types.

Not really. Ghostbusters was an organic concept that came from Dan Akroyd's mind. The story that he had envisioned four males. That story became one of the most popular and iconic movies ever. You can't have something which was never seen before be a gimmick. By the same token, Paul Feig's entire pitch for this was "Hey Ghostbusters with women!" So yes, it is a gimmick and it's not hard for most people with the exception of you and Guru to see.

Actually cars are mostly a lot bigger today than they were 30 years ago. It's because of safety/crash equipment that they keep getting bigger. Compare a 1986 Toyota Corolla to today's model. Today's BMW 3 series is a foot and a half longer than the 1990 model.

Being a remake changes the scope of the discussion, in my opinion - it's not just about casting 4 men versus 4 women, it's taking an existing concept and deliberately changing one particular aspect of it. If you think Sony/Feig aren't purposely casting an entire team of women to reach a certain demographic I could see the argument, but then we'll just have to disagree there.

It would be a double standard if someone here was arguing that it's not a gimmick if someone gender swapped women in to men in a remake, but I can't think of a real world example of that off the top of my head. That says something about the history of a male dominated Hollywood, sure, but I think that's a separate discussion.

Aykroyd's original concept was also a futuristic/Sci-fi concept before Ramis came on-board and they did the whole "rewrite the script to make the movie better" gimmick It was also originally written for John Belushi before Murray was cast. You know, the old Hollywood "cast a living, breathing human being in the place of the dead one" gimmick.

I'd be fascinating to see what your definition of "gimmick" is. Obviously anything short of cloning the original 4 actors would result in noticeable/obvious differences. Would you be calling it a gimmick if they cast a red-headed man? Or a bearded man? Or a taller man? I doubt it. Your continued use of the word is an obvious means to say anti-woman stuff while still saying "not sexist!"

Well, that certainly isn't even in the realm of possibility.

I really do wonder if Sony is considering changing the release date of this to around Halloween. It clearly won't do well this summer, and at least at that time of year it will fit with the season and maybe draw in some kids.

The promotional marshmallows and all the toys and shit are ready to go. Too late to move it.

The only PR promotional thing I will buy into for this is that Hi-C is bringing back Ecto Cooler. Hopefully I can find it.

I do agree that they should move the release date. When does tampon season start again?

Moving the release would just give the trailer a chance to hit a million dislikes.

Fcking issues with scientists carrying 40lb backpacks in a movie about busting ghosts. im pretty sure now I've seen it all on these boards.

[QUOTEI'd be fascinating to see what your definition of "gimmick" is. Obviously anything short of cloning the original 4 actors would result in noticeable/obvious differences. Would you be calling it a gimmick if they cast a red-headed man? Or a bearded man? Or a taller man? I doubt it. Your continued use of the word is an obvious means to say anti-woman stuff while still saying "not sexist!" ][/QUOTE]

Oh yeah your right I'm sooooo sexist for the fact that I think this is a gimmick. It has nothing to do with me thinking the trailer looked like crap and wasn't funny, I've never found McCarthy funny, think Jones is annoying and only find Wiig to be somewhat funny. Ignoring how I said in the last thread that I don't mind females being in the cast. I also find it funny how I've given repeated examples of how it's a gimmick and you choose to ignore them but what the heck here's the definition of gimmick:

"a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business."

Hmm lets see how this relates to the new movie. Is doing a reboot with four female leads for no reason other than being different a device? I say so. Is it being done to attract attention or publicity? Uh yeah. Is it being done to try and attract business from a certain audience? Yes females who watch romantic comedy movies. Your right. I don't see how anyone could ever think this is nothing more than a gimmick.

Here's a challenge: can you name a female comedian or comedic actress that you'd admit is funny AND sexually unattractive?

Bonnie Mcfarlane

Part of me is wondering if the re-shoots are to re-edit the movie and make it more kid friendly. Granted, the original got away with a bunch of innuendos and was PG, but that was before PG-13 (right before it actually). I just think kids are the best bet this movie has at an audience at this point.

I think Ellen is hilarious, and clips of her talk show are always enjoyable. Rosanne Barr is pretty funny too.

Wanda Sykes

I shoulda been more specific in aiming that comment at robin2099.

The "fuckable" factor is absolutely an aspect of the Ghostbusters backlash too. For every person who believes women can't physically support the weight of proton packs there's another who says "I wouldn't be upset it it was BLANK and BLANK instead of McCarthy and Jones." with the women in question inevitably being physically attractive. And there's also the fact that Wiig and McKinnon don't get 5% of the shit over this movie that McCarthy and Jones do.