Will DC fail?
 

I'm watching the special that was on the WB and just watching the footage and the way they say they are gonna connect it all together, I just can't help feel that this juggernaut will miserably fail...

Anyone else feel like this whole DC Universe will crash and burn or am I crazy?

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Yes. BvS will be a hit, but I fear keeping TV and Movie Universes separate is going to backfire big time in the long run.

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Nah. BvS will probably get mediocre reviews but do stellar box office.

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It won't be Marvel successful. I guess that's the litmus everyone will be judging it by. It won't get anywhere near there. But there will be hits (BvS, Justice League), and misses (Wonder Woman, AquaMan, Suicide Squad).

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It will make boatloads of money. So no, it will not fail.

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You know what's even more pitiful? The fact that even some of their TV shows seem to be split into different worlds based on their network.

On the up side, WB will never have to be in the dilemma that Marvel faces regarding recasting and rebooting. We are all used to it with WB.

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It'll peter out.

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Depends on a) whether they persist in their idea to do ten films over a couple of years and b) whether they learn the Marvel lesson(s): remember the roots and care about the fans.

They sem to be over-extending themselves on a very shakey foundation. Marvel's films are popular broadly AND among fans. If DC can (re)capture it's fans - and that may be tough, thanks to some spectacular oddities in the comics as well as on film - then there's a hope. Or, perhaps "normal" people will decide to care about a third Universe (after Marvel and, presumably, Star Wars). It'll be interesting to observe - and moreso depending on thbquality/'accuracy'/popularity of the resulting film(s).

If BvsS isn't utterly awful, and if WW actually comes out and isn't terrible, DC might just sneak the first solo female superhero film and ride that wave upwards...

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I don't think it'll be a failure box office wise, but it'll be a complete mess until they get their shit together in a way that benefits their universe and not just goes for the quick short term answering to Marvel but doing something to stand on their own.

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In the sense that they will not measure to Marvel, certainly. I suspect even the box office for BvS will be down given mixed reviews and people being sick of Batman and Superman movies. Personally I will probably wait till it hits BD like I did with MoS.

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I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and I know it's not the popular thing to do but, reserving judgement until seeing BvS.

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The movies will make money but they'll never reach the heights of the MCU. They've rushed things trying to create their own DCCU and there's no fixing that at this point. Critically, we'll have to wait and see but I'm weary. I guess the answer to your question all depends on what you'd consider "failing"?

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I feel that BvS and Suicide Squad will make money, but from then on things will go downhill after the quality of those films exposes the company like Green Lantern did. Everyone needs to remember that both FF movies, Daredevil, X-Men Last Stand, Spider-Man 3 and Amazing Spider-Man 2 made money, but the bad reviews due to the shitty quality of the films made Fox and Sony regroup and reboot or let rights go back (Daredevil). These DC films seem rush and already are to half assed starts (Green Lantern-which isn't even part of these DCU, and Man of Steel, which the more people see it, the more they hate it).

Will they fail in the short term? No. Long-term? Most likely, if they idiots at WB keep giving keys to the kingdom to Zack Snyder and Dan Didio. So far, their comic book division is going downhill at a steady decline. Won't be surprised if their film division of these films have the same fate. It's sad because so far, Flash, Arrow and iZombie have hit a positive note with the fans, with the potential of Legends of Tomorrow to do the same. On the other hand, Constantine was good but got screwed by NBC and Supergirl and Gotham are getting mixed reviews.

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BTW: Gotham is great this season.

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Depends almost entirely on the quality of the films. I'm on board with them doing it this way - but the stakes are much higher, they have to stick the landing on these next few films. BvS needs to be well received, make 1B+, Suicide Squad can get by with half of that (but still needs to be a well reviewed film).

WW needs to be a good film, hit 500-750m, JL part one is basically their Avengers...1B+ or bust. Love the ambition, but they need to hit home runs with every movie. 'The Batman' will be huge, and MOS2 should hold it's own. It's the B and C characters that are going to have to overachieve...Aquaman, Flash, Cyborg...and God help us...Green Lantern. If those movies make 500m I'd be very impressed.

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Eventually the hype will die down pretty fast. But Marvel hype will keep going.

This BvS movie looks way too cable/tv made. The special effects look like shit.

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Some of these complaints are completely ridiculous. I'm not particularly worried about Batman v Superman, they've had a very long time by production standards to polish it however they want.

I think Suicide Squad will end up being very popular in the end.

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I voted no, but it really depends on what the criteria for failing is. I don't think they'll reach Marvel's consistency across all their characters in quality and box office, but they'll make decent money and do enough to keep going without having to throw in the towel and cancel plans for their upcoming slate.

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I think due to a number of reasons, people are gonna stop giving a fuck about comic book movies before DC can roll out all the movies they have planned.

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Jesus H. Fuck me in the Asshole Christ. Really? Another thread for bullshit. Man, you must be desperate for validation on the internet.

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I doubt it will fail from a commercial perspective.

I hate Nolan's Batman trilogy and feel they fail on multiple storytelling levels but people continue to bow at that alter. I loathe Man of Steel but people will be lining up to see BvS.

Outside of the original Superman and Superman II I haven't really liked a DC movie (though I do remember enjoying an uncut VHS copy of Swamp Thing in the early to mid 80's) since. So, for me, DC has been nothing but one long cinema fail. I don't have a lot of faith that will change. The Suicide Squad trailer give a glimmer of hope but I don't know if I'll bite and actually pay to see it theatrically.

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All I know is, in the Batman/Superman trailer, Luthor's "Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent in the same room" line is way too fucking on the nose.

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I really have zero interested in the DCU. I thought Man of Steel was weak and nothing I've seen of Batman Vs. Superman makes me want to see it. I'm not a MCU fanboy either but I have found I enjoyed most of those movies. For me, none of that stuff will ever top Nolan's Batman trilogy anyway.

I think Marvel just beat DC to the punch by years and people are going to get fstigued by all this "cinematic universe" overkill.

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How do you define failure? I think most of the movies they make will probably make money, but maybe not to the levels that Marvel is making. Just as i think characters feel a little burnt out on Spiderman and the number of movies he has had in a relative short period of time, i think people feel the same to an extent about the characters of Batman and Superman. The last Batman movie left a bit of a bad taste for most and Man of Steel left a lot disappointed. These are the two cash cows for DC so they need to ensure that they are used well. Wonder Woman is a big risk if you ask me. I am positive that it won't lose money, but i honestly do not think there is as much interest in the character as DC believes. Female action heroes have a hard time at the box office and a character that on film so far has really only been seen as a less than serious effort in the 70s is not a good place to follow on from. I actually think the character would have been better suited on TV rather than in movies. They already failed with a Green Lantern movie, but i think trying to reboot that series is a good idea as the character has potential to be in good movies. Aquaman is actually a good way to go for DC. Marvel still has the rights to Namor i think with Universal or one of the other production houses, so it will mean DC can beat them to bringing a sub-aquatic world to life. This could work really well on the big screen, as long as they don't cheapen it by ensuring that for 75% of the run time he is walking around New York or come generic landscape.

One big thing i still don't understand is why they decided to keep the TV and Movie universes separate and re-cast roles for movies that already have existing people playing them on TV. It seems there are two DC Universes, the TV Universe and the Movie Universe. Maybe we should start by calling it the DCTVU and the DCMU. One of the strengths Marvel has is forward thinking (to an extent) and trying to have threads running through movies and into TV and vice versa. This is great self promotion and prompts people to watch other shows or movies that might have a continuing thread to follow. Its smart business, and also follows the style of the comics very closely where cross-overs and team ups were happening all the time.

I really hope that DC does well, but they should learn that as Marvel started to depend a lot on one guy (Whedon) might not necessarily be a good thing. They may love what Snyder is doing, but to not look any further would hurt then.

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Yeah, it really depends on what you consider a failure. Man of Steel made a lot of money, but was a steaming pile.

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As much as I disliked MoS, and would prefer a Superman movie that my kids can actually watch/look up to, I really hope they don't fail because I like DC.

Wait, Timm's doing another DC cartoon? Eh, the movies can crash and burn then.

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Don't care if they fail. Just DO NOT FUCK WITH THE FLASH TV SERIES.

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Nope, but it won't topple Marvel so they'll probably reboot the whole thing in 3 years.

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DC will do fine if they just get back to basics:

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A fat Superman? Yes, back to basics is what they need. I need someone to look up to.

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I don't think they'll fail but I don't see DC reaching the heights of the MCU. I think they're on pretty shakey ground and really need to knock the first couple films out of the park. Man of Steel was already met with mixed reviews but it technically came out before plans for a large cinematic universe were established so it can be discounted to some degree.

I think Batman V Superman will make money but like Man of Steel will probably be met with mixed reviews. The hype for it all around honestly doesn't seem as big as it should be in my opinion which could be a bad indicator. Casuals are going to go out and see it but I question it's long term success. Suicide Squad I think is going to be a film that mostly appeals to fanboys but probably not to a very wide audience. If Batman V Superman disappoints it'll be a hard sell for other character films going forward in my opinion.

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I guarantee WB will lose their shit if BvS doesn't clear $300m.

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I think 400m is the bar to be honest. But it's really about worldwide as well... it better do 1B+. Not sure if anything would happen if it doesn't clear those markers, except spend less on the upcoming solo movies.

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I think the real danger is that WB will hit the panic button if one or two of the films underperforms.

And by that I mean doesn't meet their expectations, not that it doesn't turn a decent profit.

I think they're really going to be scrutinizing the DC performance against the Marvel performance. They're going to be comparing BvS to Civil War (Bats vs Supes against Cap vs Iron Man), and they're probably expecting Suicide Squad to compare to Guardians of the Galaxy.

I think there's a real danger that WB is going to scuttle the whole project if it doesn't do Marvel numbers right out of the gate.

And the DCEU already looks darker and grittier (and thus less "kid friendly") than the brightly colored and quip-filled MCU. I don't know if that will bite them in the ass when it comes to box office or merchandising.

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I can see this too. They seem to be banking hard on Batman V Superman selling the rest of the DC films to come. If it underperforms even a little I think things could go south pretty fast.

Yeah and there's no way that either will compare. Particularly Suicide Squad in my opinion. Batman V Superman I can see making comparisons but DC and the versions of the characters they're using for this film have no history so in a way I can kind of see people not really caring too much. It'll just be another movie whereas Captain America: Civil War has build up and people have history with the characters.

Bingo. I've mentioned this a few times but no one has really replied. If you're a parent do you really think that you're going to take your kid to see Suicide Squad? Think about it for a bit, just the title alone having the word suicide is probably enough of a turn off for a lot of people and especially parents. On top of that the concept of the film is villains that are supposed to be heroes. The only people who are really going to get that in my opinion are fanboys.

I think the dark tone won't hurt Batman V Superman quite as badly initially. If its too dark and not kid friendly it could hurt the box office though in my opinion. Fact of the matter is as much as fanboys like to think these films are for them a huge chunk of who they're being targeted to is supposed to be kids and families who will go together. If they're too dark compared to the MCU I definitely think these films are going to be hurting.

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As already stated; these movies will make a lot of money but I think they will be mediocre at best. I'm a huge DC fan but I have no confidence in anything their now producing. I will watch this but really looking forward to Captain America and everything else Marvel is doing.

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I voted "no"

However, based on DVDtalk DC threads where bitching and moaning about what could be done better is king no matter what...and Internet Nerd Rage over WW not having a costume like Lynda Carter's and Superman being too angry, and the general PASSES given to any Marvel film no matter how mediocre (Iron Man films etc) they are. YES, DC will fail before it even fuckin' gets films onscreen.