Inhumans99

I am impressed that Thor Ragnarok will probably get close to grossing what Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice did domestically (when it finally leaves theaters it will probably be behind B V S by 10-12 million), and even worldwide gross will be fairly close to B V S worldwide (maybe behind B V S by 45-55 million). Not bad for the third film in a series, and especially good considering that Thor 2 Dark World made money but had one of the most "meh" reactions from theater goers in quite some time so people were not salivating at the idea of another Thor film.

I have said this at least twice already on DVD Talk regarding JL, but once again I want to say it was a pleasant surprise for me how fun the film was to watch but no matter how much enjoyment I and others received watching the film it is still a debacle for WB that they were not able to get more butts in seats.

Put it this way, plenty of folks think Age Of Ultron was a bit of a disappointment, both critically and some would even argue financially given its potential, but here's the thing even if you buy into that it was a 1.4 Billion(!) dollar grossing "disappointment" and I think we can all agree that WB would be insanely thrilled by a 1 billion dollar disappointment (heck they were thrilled when B V S disappointed with a nealy 900 million total gross not including home video/cable).

Hard to believe that JL will be out grossed domestically and probably internationally by Thor Ragnarok, but that is where we are at.

TheMovieman

Right now, TLJ is looking at between $102-112M for the 4-day weekend, but wouldn't surprise me if it's lower.

Edit: Deadline Hollywood, which had the upper end of $112M has lowered it to $102.5M (4-day).

RichC2

TLJ is down 68.9%, that's nearly double the drop of TFA (which fell only 38.9%). Now Christmas fell on Friday the 25th that year which gave it a boost, but still a hugh disparity

TheMovieman

3-Day:

TW	LW	Title (click to view)	Studio	Weekend Gross	% Change	Theater Count / Change		Average	Total Gross	Budget*	Week #
1	1	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$68,486,000	-68.9%	4,232	-	$16,183	$365,088,356	-	2
2	N	Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle	Sony	$34,000,000	-	3,765	-	$9,031	$50,605,967	$90	1
3	N	Pitch Perfect 3	Uni.	$20,451,000	-	3,447	-	$5,933	$20,451,000	$45	1
4	N	The Greatest Showman	Fox	$8,600,000	-	3,006	-	$2,861	$13,198,731	$84	1
5	2	Ferdinand	Fox	$7,050,000	-47.4%	3,630	+9	$1,942	$26,532,884	$111	2
6	3	Coco	BV	$5,208,000	-47.7%	2,111	-1,044	$2,467	$161,327,128	-	5
7	N	Downsizing	Par.	$4,600,000	-	2,668	-	$1,724	$4,600,000	$68	1
8	16	Darkest Hour	Focus	$4,105,000	+384.4%	806	+722	$5,093	$6,957,077	-	5
9	N	Father Figures	WB	$3,200,000	-	2,902	-	$1,103	$3,200,000	-	1
10	12	The Shape of Water	FoxS	$3,050,000	+78.3%	726	+568	$4,201	$7,615,665	-	4
11	4	Wonder	LGF	$2,000,000	-61.7%	1,130	-1,917	$1,770	$114,957,750	-	6
12	11	The Star	Sony	$1,375,000	-20.6%	1,106	-830	$1,243	$38,466,925	$20	6
13	5	Justice League	WB	$1,055,000	-75.5%	1,101	-1,601	$958	$222,678,455	-	6
14	10	Lady Bird	A24	$1,005,627	-52.1%	402	-545	$2,502	$28,306,445	-	8
15	8	The Disaster Artist	A24	$907,247	-66.6%	517	-493	$1,755	$15,717,648	-	4

TheMovieman

Despite the great reviews, The Disaster Artist has flamed out.

Yikes for both Downsizing and Father Figures, but hardly surprising.

DthRdrX

'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Had Largest First to Second Weekend Box Office Dollar Drop in History

Obi-Wanma

That's kind of a meaningless statistic. The previous record holder was The Force Awakens. And TLJ only beat it by 3 million. Breaking news: movies that make a shitload of money in their opening weekend have a precipitous drop in week 2

RichC2

It gives those most offended by the movie something to rally around. The 69% drop is far more damning than that record which I agree is pointless.

DthRdrX

It's a record nonetheless. This is the box office discussion thread yes? Are you personally offended the movie dropped so much? Do you have a personal stake in how much it makes?

Obi-Wanma

I absolutely do not, but it seems the haters certainly do.

fumanstan

I don't see the issue, the movie is making less money then it's predecessor and had a bigger 2nd week hit, which can certainly be attributed to the quality of the movie. It seems like an accurate discussion point. But yeah, the percentage is more interesting then the dollar amount.

Brack

But Christmas being on a Monday skews the percentage quite a bit. Anyone thinking this was going to make as much as TFA is fooling themselves. TFA had the nostalgia factor goIng stronger, but this time not so much. It’s still looking at around $600m plus, maybe around $700m, which isn’t anything to cry home about.

fumanstan

Oh sure, there are certainly other reasons for the difference in box office. I just think the quality of the movie is the primary reason and shouldn't be overlooked or chalked up to just haters (or from the other thread, "internet fanboy hatred"). With this weekend's estimates, there's currently a $175 million dollar difference between TFA and TLJ, which is more then just about holidays and nostalgia.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdow...oguevforce.htm

It'll be interesting to me what the box office is for the 3rd weekend and how it tracks versus Rogue One.

Brack

The extreme hype/build up as the first Star Wars in 30+ years to feature the Big Three cannot be overlooked. That was a HUGE reason for the massive opening and staying power. Movies that go darker in a series tend to not bring in as many people, thus quality is more or less a non-factor. It’s similar to how TPM played out vs AOTC, but with the grosses being significantly higher this time around.

fumanstan

Oh i'm not overlooking the nostalgia aspect, I agree that it's a big deal and played a big role in TFA's lasting power and huge opening. But TLJ had the second biggest opening weekend ever too behind TFA, and to me the 2nd weekend dropoffs usually are indicative of the quality of movie as we see how word of mouth holds up.

So I guess we disagree on it being a non-factor, I think if the audience reception was significantly more positive and not as mixed it would have held on much, much stronger in days following the opening weekend.

TheMovieman

4-Day Estimates

TW	LW	Title (click to view)	Studio	Weekend Gross	% Change	Theater Count / Change		Average	Total Gross	Budget*	Week #
1	1	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$100,669,000	-54.2%	4,232	-	$23,788	$397,271,356	-	2
2	N	Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle	Sony	$52,150,000	-	3,765	-	$13,851	$68,755,967	$90	1
3	N	Pitch Perfect 3	Uni.	$25,601,000	-	3,447	-	$7,427	$25,601,000	$45	1
4	N	The Greatest Showman	Fox	$14,000,000	-	3,006	-	$4,657	$18,598,731	$84	1
5	2	Ferdinand	Fox	$9,675,000	-27.8%	3,630	+9	$2,665	$29,157,884	$111	2
6	3	Coco	BV	$7,385,000	-25.8%	2,111	-1,044	$3,498	$163,504,128	-	5
7	N	Downsizing	Par.	$7,280,000	-	2,668	-	$2,729	$7,280,000	$68	1
8	16	Darkest Hour	Focus	$5,400,000	+537.1%	806	+722	$6,700	$8,255,077	-	5
9	N	Father Figures	WB	$4,920,000	-	2,902	-	$1,695	$4,920,000	-	1
10	12	The Shape of Water	FoxS	$4,300,000	+151.3%	730	+572	$5,890	$8,865,665	-	4
11	4	Wonder	LGF	$2,577,000	-50.7%	794	-2,253	$3,246	$115,534,750	-	6
12	11	The Star	Sony	$1,555,000	-10.2%	1,106	-830	$1,406	$38,646,925	$20	6
13	5	Justice League	WB	$1,550,000	-64.0%	1,101	-1,601	$1,408	$223,173,455	-	6
14	7	Thor: Ragnarok	BV	$1,154,000	-63.2%	701	-1,194	$1,646	$309,444,758	$180	8
15	6	Daddy's Home 2	Par.	$1,100,000	-71.1%	1,073	-1,420	$1,025	$99,375,556	$69	7
16	17	Call Me by Your Name	SPC	$1,042,063	+114.2%	114	+84	$9,141	$3,329,854	-	5
17	N	The Post	Fox	$830,000	-	9	-	$92,222	$830,000	$50	1

majorjoe23

After two whole weeks it’s only the 28th highest grossing film of all time. What a disappointment.

Brack

There's usually far more front-loading for sequels. TFA had 30+ years of anticipation, whereas TLJ had only two years, and while quality might have played a factor somewhat, I think it was inevitable that some folks simply weren’t going to go see the second film for a variery of reasons, maybe because no Han Solo, another death of a beloved character, etc. but I think the anticipation factor is the biggest factor. It’s similar to how people responded to ANH and TPM, but probably for different reasons, but mostly because of how much of an outlier those films were, in that they performed so extraordinarily well that it’s nearly impossible to replicate. TPM and TFA had anticipation on their side, and had far less to do with quality imo.

B5Erik

Let's not also forget that The Empire Strikes Back did less than Star Wars or Return of the Jedi at the box office - despite it being considered in hindsight to be the best movie of the series.

The Last Jedi was going to drop to a significantly lower number at the box office compared to The Force Awakens no matter what.

Artman

I agree, it's really resembling the OT... sequel drops by a third, the third film may be on par or a bit over. Definitely brings the SW series back down to Earth...the high end being 1.5b I think for any films going forward. Unfortunately the Solo film will continue the negative headlines...that may only make 6-700m. I really wish they scrapped it...

Defiant1

And James Cameron breathes a sigh of relief, with Avatar and Titanic still #1 and #2 of all time worldwide, successfully defending themselves from yet another contender for the throne.

I think they're safe until Episode XI at least. Even Infinity War won't threaten them.

Mondo Kane

At least it will help wipe out the memory of the prequels.

Franchot

I certainly don't. If done right, the Solo film could be a wonderful film. Bring it. The ball is in Disney's court to deliver. Keep your hopes up.

fumanstan

Star Wars also came and finished off Justice League which is basically done already and won't even come close to Man of Steel. Crazy.

TheMovieman

The 4-day actual is in, fell to $99.025M, off $1.643M from the studio estimate and the only one in the top 15 to be overestimated.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend...knd=51a&p=.htm