Wonder Woman: I disagree, at least with Gadot. She is an ambassador for the brand on and off the screen. She has embodied Wonder Woman on a level that's probably only matched by RDJ and Chadwick Boseman. She IS Wonder Woman to millions of girls now after decades of no representation. They'd be foolish to let that slip through their fingers. They'd be taking a roll of the die casting someone else who would just be in it for the paycheck. If we're going by "WW84 wasn't good so she's expendable" metric then I have to point out WW84 has a higher tomatometer rating than Iron Man 2, and in the same ballpark as IM3. Did anyone call for RDJ's replacement? Gadot IS Wonder Woman.

Superman: Cavill isn't quite in the same league because of the Superman Snyder chose to present to the world, but it's akin to Brosnan as Bond. Great Bond saddled with horrible scripts. It's clear he loves the role, but you don't see clips of him in hospitals or surprising fans on the same level as the aforementioned bunch. I want him back, but he is in dire need of the perfect script.

Rest of the JL: the rest of the Snyderverse cast can be jettisoned. Momoa is great as Aquaman, but after his second movie I have to think we'll have had our fill of the ocean superhero for awhile. He's not all that necessary for the most part and they're stretching for inserting him into stories on land. Cyborg guy is gone (hopefully the character is too), as is Flash boy (he signed his own pink slip). It'll be fun seeing Affleck as Bats/Wayne one more time but I can say goodbye after Flashpoint.

Black Adam: it's a shame that the Rock spent a decade getting it made for it to be a flash in the pan thing. They could have built on it with Shazam and Superman. It may not have been huge but he is the kind of guy that will do the work necessary to benefit all involved and build the brand.

Shazam... I feel, so far anyway, that he kinda exists outside all the main DCEU action and if the character is to stick around they should absolutely stick with Levi as he's perfect for the role... that's assuming Shazam 2 does decent at the B.O. and there's a part for him in the DCEU at all. He didn't brush into the Snyderverse at all and references to Batman and Superman were minor so this one would actually be the easiest to transition into the new universe without any issues.

Lastly, Batman...out of all the slate to wipe, this couldn't be the one? Fucking hell. I know, I know, $$$$. Batman brings in the dough, but that's the character not who's playing him. I know I'm in the extreme minority but there is absolutely nothing special about Pattinson's take or Reeve's Gotham. Catwoman was terrible. Jeffrey Wright was okay as Gordon. Serkis was okay as Alfred. Colin as Penguin showed promise. The best thing here was Turturro as Falcone and well...he won't be returning no matter which universe moves forward. It was just a big ol ball of 'meh. Also, what about Joaquin's Joker? Again, dump it. The first was a fine movie about a sad-sack loser turned psycho, but it was a terrible take on Batman's arch-nemesis. There was just some weird disconnect between the script and what's on screen. It felt like it was a generic movie script about a guy that goes crazy that was in development purgatory until someone had the bright idea to dress him in purple and reference Bruce Wayne. Dump it all and make a cohesive Bat-verse with an extended Bat-family like was only hinted at in the Snyderverse. As vast as the Bat-verse is, it's laughable at how little we've actually gotten over the course of 8 films. Hell Snyder gave more of a hint in two non-Batman films than the other 8 films combined.

Greatest silver lining of all of this? Zero possibility of ever having Leto turn up as Joker again.

A dozen actresses could do a better job starting tomorrow.

And your list is?

Before Gadot the talk was whatsherface from Mandalorian. We see how great of an ambassador she could have been.

Gadot is fine but I don’t think she’s irreplaceable. I think a lot of people latched on to her because she’s one of only two interpretations of the character in live action and the only one in modern times.

Internet fandom is completely meaningless, you know that...I'm surprised studios still pay any attention at all to it. Hundreds of actresses who fit Gadot's age and talent are available at any given time...she happened to be in the latest Fast & Furious movie at the right time.

​​​​​Uh huh. Batman Beyond. Sure. At this point all these announcements are blind shots at a dart board hoping something hits the target. You know, so then these scoopers and reporters can claim they were in the know, when all they managed was a lucky guess.

No, they couldn't.

Of all of the DC characters, Gadot has the most similarity of bringing her character's persona off-screen to RDJ for Marvel and Iron Man. No one looks at Affleck and thinks "That's Batman" and their first thought for Cavill isn't "It's Superman" like it was for Christopher Reeve. She IS Wonder Woman to millions of women out there. And once again, there are a bunch of dudes in here trying to discount that.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, my wife had a bigger reaction to the "No Man's Land" sequence in "Wonder Woman" than she has had for any other superhero flick. It was the first time she felt truly represented on-screen in one of those movies. That's no small thing.

Of course people say she's Wonder Woman, she hardly has a career before that and she didn't impress in other roles either. Of course no one looks at Affleck and says Batman, because he was Ben Affleck long before that. Gal Gadot was a model and supporting actress in the Fast & Furious franchise. She did a great job in Wonder Woman and although I think the 2nd movie sucked, she was still great in it, I wouldn't replace her, but I wouldn't say she's as important to the role as Robert Downey, Jr. to Iron Man and I wouldn't say she cannot be replaced and I don't think no actress can be better.

So, I though the new guys were supposed to do things differently, lol. Sounds like more of the same misguided shenanagins. Gunn is just undercover for Marvel, lol.

“creating a riot” sounds like sour grapes from people who lost the freedom to do the dumb shit they want. And are upset that the new regime is trying to correct the ship and do what should have been done from the start.
Theres no reason to tell anyone anything yet until decisions are made.

As for the Rock and Cavill thing. Maybe i would care what the Rocks opinion is on the whole thing if he didnt have his hand in that pocketbook.

She was a relative unknown when she got thrust into the spotlight as Wonder Woman. Of course people are going to identify her as Wonder Woman. What alternative do they have? They don't know her from anything else. For the vast majority of people watching these movies, she's also the only live action Wonder Woman they have ever known. It's not like Batman where we've seen how many actors play live action Batman in the last 10-20 years? She was great in the first movie, no doubt, but she is most definitely replaceable and of course there are actresses out there that could do a better job. I personally would like to see her continue on in the role, as I think she was great as Wonder Woman.

I hope Gadot continues as Diana/WW and that she'll be given much better writing next time around.

Here's what I would do (not that anyone asked lol).

So I also feel like Gadot & Cavil are about as good as it gets. But there is just too much baggage. It's too fractured and messy. And you just gotta blow it all up. You'll lose out on good interpretations and performances. But if you want a truly overarching and and cohesive universe, you can't keep partial pieces. Throw it all out. Even Gunn's own Peacemaker which is pretty great has to go.

Instead you focus on singular universes. You keep Reeve's The Batman. That is the first film of The DCBU. DC Bat Universe. His story and universe is the starting point of this new overarching endeavor. You did a Batman film that was well received. You keep it going and grow it, keeping it separate from anything else DC. The Joker gets scrapped as part of the old universe because there shouldn't be else-worlds or confusing alternate interpretations. You build up his villains with stand alone movies. You give other Bat Family members movies or series. You can build to a Bat Family team up film in the vein of Justice League.

You simultaneously cast a new Superman and you do a DCSU. DC Superman universe. You give him his own tone that does not have to match The Batman tone. You world build Superman and his foes in the same way. You build up his allies like Supergril to build to a team ups in his universe. You also do a DCWU in the same way. DC Wonder Woman Universe. You keep those three universes separate. You keep them apart for YEARS. You build them totally separate. They live in the same earth / universe but they stay in their own cinematic universes with zero cross over.

Then a decade down the line you do a Justice League team up with these three characters that have a decade of universe building equity fighting against a major big bad threat too big to be defeated alone. And boom built in want / desire / need to see this crazy team up movie with these three iconic performers finally teaming up. You can end it by debuting a new Flash & Green Lantern & Cyborg. Your next decade is world building these three new characters separately and only having them team up & cross over for another Justice League movie.

That's the only way it can be done. You have to nail all the casting. You can't waiver from the plan if something under performs. Discipline. Structure. Storytelling. There's no shortcuts. You start a new and do it right.

I personally feel like going with a mostly clean slate is what’s needed. I get people being pissy about it to a degree but really the DCEU was broken for a long time. Why keep clinging to elements of it while trying to rebuild?

I was kind of excited about Cavill retuning but at the same time the more I think about it why do that when the Snyderverse isn’t continuing? He’s good in the role sure, but he’s not irreplaceable.

I feel the same way with Gadot. She’s good sure, but no one else has really played the character (beyond Lynda Carter in the 70s). Also like mentioned it was her breakout role so people are probably attached for that reason. I feel like there are other actresses who can replace her and be as good.

Get fresh faces and takes on characters. It can still work out. It’s just going to take some time, but that’s fine because we saw what happened when things were rushed along.

Which current Hollywood male star fits Clark Kent and Superman beyond Cavill? There are not a lot of great options unless they cast an unknown, which I do not think is likely in this market.

Gadot has been fine in the role but I don't think she's irreplaceable. But going in a different direction is extremely risky, which makes me think they'll bring her back in some sort of team-up movie. The creatives at WB have a serious jones for hooking Batman and Wonder Woman up - it's been in several different treatments for proposed projects.

I thought the Batman Beyond film was basically Batgirl with Keaton under the old regime that wanted the All Female Trinity.

If they do decide to do Beyond, hopefully it will be a trilogy and done right.

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Gunn dealing with people making up rumors online.

That's great.

When Cavill was cast he was anything but a "Hollywood star". There are thousands of unknown or lesser-known actors who could easily bit the bill. I only knew Cavill from The Tudors but that was about it.

For me, before he was cast as Superman, he was the kid from The Count of Monte Cristo.

Even Brandon Routh did a good job, the movie just wasn't that great. I do like Cavill more, to me he is the best Superman so far, but essentially you need a tall, good looking dude, the rest is the cape.

The thing is that DC has several story arcs dealing with their own multiverses that can come to a unified conclusive DCEU if done right. Maybe Gunn has that vision, but at the same time, he has to trim the fat as well as get approval from Zaslav. A 10 year project is not a lot of time.

10 years of movies, no. But if the plan is one massive arc spread across ten years of movies, multiple TV shows, multiple animated movies, and multiple video games, that's a lot of space to flesh out a narrative. If anything, the plan might be too ambitious. I really hope Gunn and Safran pull it off.

I mean theoretically ten years should be a good chunk of time to build the DCU. Look at what the MCU achieved in that time. Not trying to make a direct comparison but it’s possible to build a pretty robust universe in that span of time.

That was going off of far less established characters too. DC’s problem is that they were so aimless for a long time and films were green lit seemingly just because without any real rhyme or reason. That’s why they’re in the mess they are in my opinion.