Hey, I've been the one fighting to support your constant negativity here! I never said there's anything wrong with your opinion, like I said I think it's just a flimsy argument and one that I thought both Snake and I already had rebuttals against.

Personally though, the trailer and the portrayal of Bruce didn't tell me anything I already didn't know about the tone of the film.

No hard feelings. Like I said it's all speculation and opinion and I'm fine if people disagree. I'm just presenting my feelings and why I feel that way when people question things I say.

I get what Mike86 is saying.

The whole secret identity concept is one of the appealing aspects American superhero comics. Bruce Wayne is pretty much Batman in that scene. Defending Batman, making digs at Superman, and hinting strongly at the Joker.


From the trailer we don't see the duality that Mike mentioned. The more interesting but subtle elements of Batman and Superman seem like they're being eschewed in favor of explosions and cramming too many characters and concepts.

This one film has A LOT to introduce. They're borrowing from two big storylines (Death in the Family, The Dark Knight Returns, and The Death of Superman), introducing Batman AND setting up a conflict between him and Superman, and also introducing Lex Luthor. In addition to that they're also introducing Wonder Woman.

The Party/Charity Benefit/whatever it is scenes in the trailer are really pretty awful for several reasons.

For one thing, you have the world's greatest detective (supposedly) face to face with a being whose abilities are close to total omniscience. If either had any interest in identifying anyone, they should be able to do it- and fairly efficiently.
Add to that Luthor who is supposedly a tech whiz- which is a data variation on near total omniscience ability. Like Batman, except with different resources, if he wanted to crunch data and employ algorithms to divine an answer, he should be able to do it.
In other words, all three of these people should already be well aware of who at least one or the other is.

Secondly- by all appearances (the late hour it takes place, the flashy guests, the chamber orchestra warming up, the party atmosphere) this is a social function and not a business press event.
Because of that - why is Clark even there covering it? Wouldn't that be more up the alley of the papers social editor (y'know, someone who would actually know one of the richest men in the country on sight?). WTF is he even there?
Then to make matters even more stupid, why is he using that occasion to interrogate the richest man in the room on street crime matters in his hometown? How is that germane to the social function they find themselves at right now?

I totally understand where Mike is coming from in questioning why Bruce is so angry. It's not that we should be seeing Bruce falling into a fountain like a drunk playboy, it's why aren't we seeing him respond with something other than typical Batman speak.

It's the antithesis of the last trailer where we see Bruce witness the carnage and protect an innocent amidst the devastation being wrought by the alien uber-mensch.
there is nothing implied here. The entire trailer is at a pitch so that everything is explicitly spelled out for the simplest minds in the room, then underlined, then further wiped over with a florescent hi-lite marker.

This lack of nuance- combined with all the other angry, deadly seriousness on display- is why this trailer strikes me as hilariously cornball.

Am I the only one, given the premise of the movie, inspirations from various sources, previous trailers and all the marketing material, that had no illusions of this film exploring the duality of Batman and Bruce Wayne? Maybe my expectations were already set way early on to be upset about this, but I wouldn't expect any type of emphasis on this being a major theme of the movie, let alone see it in a trailer for the movie.

Maybe that's why i think it's so crazy that people are even bringing it up as a complaint here, as though it's some shock or surprise for this movie. In a stand alone Batman movie from Affleck sure, but in a Batman v Superman movie from Snyder I certainly don't.

For sure. I need context before I really can say as to why Wayne is like that.

The context is they are at a swanky social function (most likely the same one Gadot appears to be entering or leaving in the second trailer). What amount of tortured set-up dialogue is it going to take to even get us to this, everyone laying their cards on the table, exchange in the trailer?

the other context is- Man Of Steel was full of plenty stupid shit also that the same director and writer were apparently blind to.

I have a bit more hope w/ this one cuz Terrio rewrote it a bit.

well... it's a lot more pleasant to be around optimistic people

My criticisms are mainly leveled at the trailer as a trailer.
My overall expectations of the film haven't really wavered all that much- though they did peak a little after the last trailer, and even the knightmare clip. This trailer is putting them back for me at the level they were at when the film was first announced.

Yeah. It's an iffy trailer just as a trailer itself even.

People are looking for stuff to bitch about. It's a strange way to spend your time. I think the movie looks pretty fun.

And that statement proves my point. She has so far had mainly roles that just expect her to strut around looking good. I prefer roles to be given as much on proven acting as much as fitting the role looks wise. And what I have seen her in has been like watching an oak table trying to act.

As for Doomsday I think the bones will definitely be in the final movie. It would be such a missed opportunity if they didn't. Probably keep regrowing each time they are destroyed. The trailer is trying to keep some elements of surprise I am sure.

As for Bruce being angry, I don't mind it too much. A little played out now the Playboy Bruce Wayne. The older Bruce in the comics was portrayed as deadly serious.

As long as we're nitpicking, why does Clark ask Bruce about the "bat vigilante" like it's a new thing / breaking news? I thought Batman was well-established and retired in this continuity?

I guess he comes back cuz of whatever?

Do we know for sure he's retired?

Pretty much. Even not knowing the exact context of the scene it isn't all that hard to piece together what's happening. I still think he's too deadly serious when he shows up. It'd be one thing if he maybe got upset while talking with Clark but the second he steps out of his car he's looking pissed off for whatever reason.

This is what worries me the most. We saw how one dimensional Clark/Superman was in Man of Steel and how in many ways he was portrayed pretty far off from his comic counterpart. I worry that the same thing is going to happen with Bruce/Batman in this film.

I had very little expectations for this movie but the trailer where Bruce tries to save the kid amidst the destruction of Metropolis impressed me.

I don't think it's crazy considering we're on a movie discussion forum and teasers and trailers are meant to get the public talking. We're being conditioned to keep our expectations and standards low. "OMG! It's Superman and Batman in the same movie!! What are you complaining for!?"

The previous trailer was fine to me as well, although I don't really see how either of these replies are in response to what you actually quoted from me regarding exploring the duality of Batman and Bruce.

Maybe she had a great audition for the Producers and WB suits? I'm not going to write her off entirely because her U.S. resume doesn't have much substance. Apparently Gadot has a few decent roles from working in Israel. I'm sure she probably has an acting coach to help her improve her acting, especially since english isn't her 1st language. She must have done something right to beat out other candidates for the role. I doubt she was the only one brought in to audition for Diana/Wonder Woman.

Maybe your right. Okay, since this is the first introduction to Batman in this new DC movie universe, I can see why some people would feel there should be some play on the secret identity and duality nature of the characters. Was Mike86 surprised there wasn't or just posting a criticism?

I appreciate Nolan's approach to the material even more now after seeing this trailer. I don't like how Synder likes to translate the comic directly to screen versus adapting it. 300 was great but I didn't read the comic, and I felt the way it was shot made it feel more like a Greek myth, whereas in Watchmen, he made a more realistic approach to superheroes less realistic. Ironic because he was pattering the scenes almost directly from the panels. His approach reminds of comic book artists in the 90s who learned how to draw people by copying comic book artists, instead of studying real life.

I might just see it for Irons and Gadot though. The former was in Dead Ringers, and Gadot looks great and has a smile that fits the nature of WW. Never seen her acting except in some seen where she's at the beach and she manages to turn the head of a guy in Brazil who's already surrounded by women with far better bodies. I'll have to see if she has any non-action roles.

Yeah. Fast Five. That scene was ridiculously stupid. Even for that franchise. Gadot doesn't have the ass to compare to the "stereotypical" Brazilian ass of the women there.

I never get this complaint, but maybe that's because i'd certainly turn to look at Gadot and don't need a big booty to necessarily look at.

There were better asses of many sizes than Gadot. Gadot is a attractive but her ass wasn't much to compare to the standard ass they cast in this franchise for those moments.

You're overlooking the "new meat" factor...dude probably already banged all those big butts.

Again, doesn't mean I wouldn't turn my head to look at Gadot.