The completely terrible on the nose interaction between Clark and Bruce make it sound like they both know who each other are at that point, in my opinion. Especially coupled with Lex's dialog, as silly as all of it was.

Anyway, If you agree that Bruce doesn't always portray himself as a carefree guy, without knowing the context of the scene it's difficult to say how out of character he is and unfair to judge. That seems pretty nitpicky to me. I also don't think it's shoving anything in the audience's faces; it's a trailer, they obviously just want to continue to show conflict between the two characters as the selling point, both in and out of costume.

That's the impression I got too - they already know who each other's alter egos are. But I don't think they know that the other knows.

I dunno about that. The way the trailer shows it, Kent doesn't know who Wayne is.

For all we know, maybe something beforehand to be at the point that Wayne's emotions are at. Shit. Maybe Supes and Bats already had a scuffle before that? Add in, it's not off for him to be that way either. He's a playboy but Wayne can only keep that up so many times. It's not like he hasn't been like that before in the comics.

The trailer just a has a crap way of showing everything really. It's weird in its editing.

Like I said I don't think he's always like that and maybe there is a reason he is that way at the party but generally Bruce out in public puts on the fake playboy persona. It could be that there's a reason he's upset upon arrival but I think the way Lex alludes to their fight and the interaction between Bruce and Clark in the trailer it's probably the first time they've encountered each other in person.

I just feel like in the trailer when we see Bruce he's projecting too much of his Batman personality and he just seems too pissed off. Bruce I think would normally compose himself (think Bale in The Dark Knight when he's asked about Batman laughing it off and saying how a man dressed as a Bat clearly has issues). The way Affleck is he's like ultra serious all the time which I just don't feel exactly works.

1. The selfish, womanizing, bored-at-party Bruce Wayne has already been done in three films with Bale so the producers want something different.

2. He's a much older Bruce Wayne who, by this time, is probably looked at as a good benefactor of the city and philanthropist. As Bruce Wayne he saw the destruction of Metropolis or some other city first hand, so it doesn't make sense that he'd be acting that bore playboy role 24-7. In Miller's The Dark Knight Returns Bruce Wayne acts pretty serious in interviews.

"Commissioner Gordon is a good cop but a bad judge of character. We have to believe in Harvey Dent and believe that our own demons can be conquered."
Bruce Wayne on the news discussing Harvey Dent's recovery and release.

I think the excuse about him being older is a lazy excuse. It's still not true to the way Bruce generally is portrayed. Bruce should be like Tony Stark only he's faking it and isn't really like that. I think they're just having to drive home the fact that our characters are dark and we're not like Marvel (despite how ridiculously over the top they've chose to have Eisenberg portray Lex).

But how much of old Bruce is generally portrayed? Right now I can only think of TDKR and he didn't do the fake playboy act in that comic.

I don't think the reasoning that he's older is lazy at all. If the producers continued the Bale-playboy act I would consider that lazy.

Also, Bruce Wayne by this time is probably even more heavily involved in the city. In this film Batman is heavily criticized for violating civil liberties, being a vigilante so if influential and powerful Bruce Wayne is still like "Batman=no good" he'd be expected by the public to openly support initiatives to go after Batman. In the comics he even starts Batman Inc admitting that he's been financing Batman all these years.

Bruce Wayne in this film has the swagger and look of George Clooney, a rich philanthropist who is a politically and socially conscious. I think this one aspect of the film is going to work.

The character should be portrayed with a sense of duality though. That's one thing I think most who have portrayed Bruce and Batman have struggled with. In my opinion Bale is the first to really nail playing them as two separate characters. Affleck seems like he's playing Batman and Batman light when he's Bruce.

Good point. I hated Bale's playboy impression as it seemed so fake that even the characters in the movie should've been able to see through it but at least they tried. Bruce Wayne in Batman Returns is pretty much Batman in a business suit.

I actually think that's why Bale's portrayal worked so well. It was so opposite of his Batman but we as the audience knew better and that he was fake as hell when he was Bruce but that's how people in that universe expected Bruce Wayne to be.

Again... there's no reason why he has to do the Playboy routine all the time. We don't where exactly this Wayne is at. What has he done so far? Etc. Maybe he's in a bad mood. Maybe whatever. Playboy Wayne isn't needed all the time. It's nice to have it there but maybe this Wayne had to grow up for some reason?

Even if things in his life as Batman have happened that would cause him to be in a darker place or whatever I still feel like Wayne in the public eye would put on the fake mask and not show his inner turmoil. If he's provoked its one thing but in the trailer he shows up and just seems like he's mad right away. He gives a fake smile but that's about it. Like I mentioned duality is key to playing Batman and Bruce and they shouldn't be portrayed as more or less the same.

I'm talking about visual Wayne. Not the man playing two lives. The man that Gotham knows in the public. Maybe that Wayne has had to experience or do stuff to be different in the public. Maybe he's just "matured" now?

There isn't ONE Bruce Wayne persona type. We've seen the playboy and it works. But even in the Arkham games we've seen Wayne play towards more "mature" or active roles that go beyond the Playboy role. He isn't always the Playboy.

Well yeah I've never denied that he has taken on other roles and that's fine but here if I had to guess he's just a guest at Luthor's party for whatever purpose (it could very well be that Lex somehow has figured out who they both are and is intent on getting them in the same place and sparking a feud). I doubt he's there on official business and even if he was I'd still think he'd be a tad more lighthearted at least rather than practically wearing a scowl and seeming all pissy.

Again... we just don't know context. We can't really say much on it aside from assumptions to not know why this is that way. The trailer doesn't do it much justice either.

I just chalk this up to you (or whomever else originally wrote it elsewhere that you saw it) nitpicking yet another thing about the movie because it doesn't fit your vision of the characters. No matter how much you repeat that you think Bruce always exudes a certain personality in public, I flat out disagree that's the case and showing a more stern Bruce in this particular trailer seems to fit the tone and context of that particular scene just fine.

There's a lot to dislike about the trailer, but without the overall context of the scene and knowing where Wayne is at that particular point of the movie it's such a strange thing to complain about to me.

I admit to not knowing the context of why he's acting the way he is in the scene and am making assumptions but the duality between Bruce Wayne and Batman has always been a part of the character(s). It's not a nitpick, that's a very large part of the character(s). Portraying them two different ways is important to how whoever portrays them acts in scenes as Bruce and Batman. It was pointed out to me later but after seeing it for me it is hard to unsee. Visually the way Affleck looks is good but the way he's playing the part I'm sketchy on.

It's a nitpick because you choose to not accept that fact that Bruce isn't always the happy public personality 100% of the time that you seem to think he is. It's not out of character anymore then Bruce being hidden away in his mansion for a decade and not being seen by anyone just because Rachel died in The Dark Knight Rises. Hell, that's much worse!

No one is questioning the duality of the character, and we haven't seen enough to show to see if we see that side of Bruce portrayed in the movie elsewhere.

We don't the "why" to how he is there. Don't focus on it cuz there's nothing to really follow on that. Watch the movie like a bunch of us will and then you'll know.

Huh? No I didn't. I've said a couple times at least that Bruce can show different emotions if he's given a reason to be upset or whatever. I just am saying that in general the way Bruce portrays himself he's not all serious and angry. Now granted like I said I do admit to not knowing the context of the scene in question and am making assumptions.

Then why the fuck continue on, hombre? It's nitpicking for damn near nothing.

Yeah, I agree with Snake. Then what's the problem? You admit don't know the reason, and you basically admit it's possible he's not out of character like you originally claimed.

It relates directly to the trailer and don't most on forums speculate? I get that I haven't been singing the film's praises but I think the way an actor is portraying a character is a good point of discussion even if it is based on speculation.

I think "haven't been singing the film's praises" is putting it lightly. Nothing wrong with the discussion, but again your original claim that Bruce is out of character is basically incorrect without more context and I call it nitpicking and reaching just because Bruce doesn't act like the way YOU think he should be acting in one scene of a trailer. "Bruce is too serious" just seems like a flimsy complaint. One that you're certainly entitled to

It's speculation and I've admitted that I could be wrong about how he's acting without more context but when a trailer is presenting a character it should give a general idea of the tone they'll have in the film as a whole. To me it's a bit telling that we'll probably see a lot of angry Bruce/Batman throughout. Again I could be completely wrong but I'm basing it off of what the filmmakers decided to present in the trailer and am discussing that. Frankly I don't see what's wrong with that and am giving an opinion. Not saying that it's right or that people have to agree with it.