Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
The negatives amount to the story which is full of "remember when you first saw this? Remember how cool that was? well here it is again with a slight spin"
Part reboot/ part remake is as huge a spoiler as you need to know going in to adjust your expectations.
But then being Abrams, people should have been expecting this...especially with all the familiar iconography on display right down to the death starry looking thing on the one sheets.
If you were hoping for a narrative to blast off in new directions worthy of those visuals in the trailers and TV spots, you might be disappointed.
OTOH, I'm seeing nothing but praise for the new characters. People, even ones that have issues with the story, like them quite a bit and that is a huge leap over the prequel experience.
If they can shake the "been there/done that" with the next two films, then the new trilogy should be a clear net success.
Part reboot/ part remake is as huge a spoiler as you need to know going in to adjust your expectations.
But then being Abrams, people should have been expecting this...especially with all the familiar iconography on display right down to the death starry looking thing on the one sheets.
If you were hoping for a narrative to blast off in new directions worthy of those visuals in the trailers and TV spots, you might be disappointed.
OTOH, I'm seeing nothing but praise for the new characters. People, even ones that have issues with the story, like them quite a bit and that is a huge leap over the prequel experience.
If they can shake the "been there/done that" with the next two films, then the new trilogy should be a clear net success.
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#9628
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
Love Paul's pre-review, as if he doesn't even need to see the movie to know how to fix the sequels. It's rather uncanny.
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Brack, do you know/realize just how much of TFA cribs from the OT?
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You base this On what? The poster?
add to that Abrams track record as a filmmaker who seems to love to revisit good stuff that he enjoyed in his youth, but tweaking it so that it is supposedly new ("KAHHHHHNNNNN!")
and this was confirmed from reading just two reviews that don't recite a plot blow by blow synopsis, but do drop a few plot points
Spoiler:
Will be interesting to see how much that list will grow once people actually see the film.
And I do believe there is a big difference between a homage and plagerism.
I can just imagine what it was like for Lucas to sit in an audience watching people responding enthusiastically to material he basically already created almost 40 years ago, but that now has someone else's name attached to it like they created it out of whole cloth.
#9633
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
Well as long as the script is good, then it can be said they created it out of whole cloth, since he hasn't written a really good script since the original Star Wars.
#9635
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I knew there was going to be a lot of callbacks to the original film. A lot of things have hinted at that the entire time. I guess I don't really see it as an issue either if the film is good.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
FYI, The Phantom Menace was full of call backs and references too.
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^ True, but nothing that blatant. It didn't completely copy entire scenes... the closest was blowing up the droid control ship (at least there was no trench run) and the victory celebration at the end.
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ok, that's it. i'm out of this thread. the desire to click is too great. Later!
#9643
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Yeah me too. Its too tempting to click on the spoiler tags but I want to go in not knowing much and only have to wait until tomorrow night.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
Well, I had my suspicions based on all the old familiar iconography that has been on display all along (tie fighters, x-wings, stormtroopers...all tweaked slightly but by and large comfortingly familiar)
add to that Abrams track record as a filmmaker who seems to love to revisit good stuff that he enjoyed in his youth, but tweaking it so that it is supposedly new ("KAHHHHHNNNNN!")
and this was confirmed from reading just two reviews that don't recite a plot blow by blow synopsis, but do drop a few plot points
...
Will be interesting to see how much that list will grow once people actually see the film.
And I do believe there is a big difference between a homage and plagerism.
I can just imagine what it was like for Lucas to sit in an audience watching people responding enthusiastically to material he basically already created almost 40 years ago, but that now has someone else's name attached to it like they created it out of whole cloth.
add to that Abrams track record as a filmmaker who seems to love to revisit good stuff that he enjoyed in his youth, but tweaking it so that it is supposedly new ("KAHHHHHNNNNN!")
and this was confirmed from reading just two reviews that don't recite a plot blow by blow synopsis, but do drop a few plot points
...
Will be interesting to see how much that list will grow once people actually see the film.
And I do believe there is a big difference between a homage and plagerism.
I can just imagine what it was like for Lucas to sit in an audience watching people responding enthusiastically to material he basically already created almost 40 years ago, but that now has someone else's name attached to it like they created it out of whole cloth.
I understand it can be hard to watch other people take over something that you created and poured your heart and soul into. However, as for Lucas sitting back and watching, isn't that what he has gotten fat off of for the last 40 years? He didn't write any of those novels or comic books or video games or ... It's just that he doesn't get the final stamp of approval on the cash printing machine anymore.
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) — The Reviews Thread
SW and ESB are great films. RotJ is a flawed as hell. I hated the PT.
Not a SW fan at all. I just like good movies. And I'm pretty pumped for this too.
Not a SW fan at all. I just like good movies. And I'm pretty pumped for this too.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
AOTC had even more.
My point is that the presence or lack of call backs, references, fan service, whatever you want to call it, does not in itself indicate anything regarding quality.
#9649
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Going through the planet core was like Empire when they fly into the asteroid creature's mouth, numerous people "have a bad feeling about this", they go to Tatooine, the wise eldest Jedi gets killed by the bad guy Sith, Palpatine's guards are a call back to his red guards from ROTJ, that's just off the top of my head.
AOTC had even more.
My point is that the presence or lack of call backs, references, fan service, whatever you want to call it, does not in itself indicate anything regarding quality.
AOTC had even more.
My point is that the presence or lack of call backs, references, fan service, whatever you want to call it, does not in itself indicate anything regarding quality.
Nothing you cited is anywhere close to how TFA "references" it's sequences, nor how they fit into the service of the film as a whole.
If I simply say two words-
Spoiler:
This doesn't seem to bother most (all?) reviewers who seem to be very happy that the film has zip and pep and light-on-it's-feet humor, along with some enjoyably charismatic new characters.
Not having seen the film, on basic principle I'm not keen on what Abrams has done just because it is creatively lazy to the Nth degree.
OTOH, maybe this is exactly what needed to be done since Lucas had poisoned the OT well so thoroughly over the last 20+ years with his endless tinkering and 'fans are the problem' attitude.
Now everyone, young and old, can go forward- all on the same page and just ignore the OT for all intents and purposes since so much of it will be
Spoiler:
#9650
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I'm done with this thread until Saturday lol... See ya!