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The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
07-24-12, 06:28 PM
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07-24-12, 06:38 PM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Glad to see the bit about Bale visiting the victims. Despite the screaming tape some years back, he's always seemed like a pretty decent guy and it's good to see he did something kind without turning it into a pr move.
Anyway, as a fan of pretty much all of Nolan's work who likes DKR, but thinks it's his most flawed film, I'm going to have bow out of this thread. It'd be too much of a pain in the ass to figure out who all to add to my ignore list to make it readable and would probably hide 2/3 of the posts. It's sadly hilarious how dickish and condescending people get when they think a movie's the best/worst thing they've seen in the last couple of months and goddam anyone who points out anything bad/good about it.
Anyway, as a fan of pretty much all of Nolan's work who likes DKR, but thinks it's his most flawed film, I'm going to have bow out of this thread. It'd be too much of a pain in the ass to figure out who all to add to my ignore list to make it readable and would probably hide 2/3 of the posts. It's sadly hilarious how dickish and condescending people get when they think a movie's the best/worst thing they've seen in the last couple of months and goddam anyone who points out anything bad/good about it.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
If you saw TDK in IMAX 15/70, you were most likely going to see TDKR in IMAX 15/70 knowing over an hour of the film was going to be presented in that format.
07-24-12, 07:37 PM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Yeah. This was really worth IMAX. How many minutes was it of IMAX footage? 70 + but exactly?
07-24-12, 07:59 PM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
I think you're really downplaying what actually happened in the context of the story. These guys share a connection that very few people in the world can understand. You're oversimplifying it with the "I saw your face and I knew" stuff. If Coleman Reese can figure it out on a hunch I don't know why John Blake couldn't. Blake talks about how excited they were to meet Bruce, he was a hero to these guys, because he was just like them, but wildly successful. Blake probably spent a lot of time thinking about Bruce and put it all together, it's not like there weren't other clues: Bruce Wayne's return after 7 years coinciding with Batman's emergence. Bruce Wayne being one of the only people in the world with the resources to fund something like Batman. Recognizing the mask hiding his pain and anger was only the final piece of the puzzle.
07-24-12, 08:12 PM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Reese's discovery was far more then a hunch. He had direct access to Wayne Enterprise documents and followed a paper trail. That makes a lot more sense to me then the explanation that Blake had in the movie. It would be less of an annoyance if the movie conveyed a little more of the discovery that you're assuming happened, but since it wasn't actually shown it just ends up somewhat abrupt and random.
I'm just saying that seeing the blue prints and seeing Wayne's expression isn't enough in either case, it's one of many clues that the characters used to piece it all together. What I find silly is the assumption that the film would have been better off by devoting precious time to Blake's investigation, when it was wonderfully summarized with a quick dialogue that also gave us some good character insight. I'd prefer using my imagination.
07-24-12, 09:14 PM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
in terms of the scenes that were shot as such, a couple of minor shots like when Bruce wakes up, walks down a flight of stairs and opens the door to his manor was a very odd scene to be filmed in IMAX if you ask me. But on the whole, the 15/70 shot scenes were amazing!
07-24-12, 09:15 PM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Bale with victim in Aurora...
I grew up in Aurora. Went to the same theater. My father died in the same hospital.
Great to see Bale visiting, the whole cast needs to visit.
I grew up in Aurora. Went to the same theater. My father died in the same hospital.
Great to see Bale visiting, the whole cast needs to visit.
07-24-12, 09:15 PM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
We don't see any of Reese's investigation either. Both characters figured it out in their own in different ways. It's just that you can swallow one, but not the other. Neither knew for sure, but it was a hunch. Despite the blue prints, it could have been anybody at Wayne Enterprises, or somebody with access to that information, a contractor, like Reese. But no, he took a gamble with Fox like Blake took a gamble with Bruce, and in neither case did they try to deny it.
In the case of Blake, all we have is his feeling that Wayne is an orphan with a similar history to his own. There is no dotted line that connects that feeling with "and therefore you are Batman".
07-24-12, 09:39 PM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
No they don't. It was an extremely nice thing for Bale to do but neither the cast nor studio owes anything to the victims or the city of Aurora. It was a really shitty thing that happened but the only one responsible was that crazy fucktard.
07-24-12, 10:15 PM
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07-24-12, 11:01 PM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
We don't see any of Reese's investigation either. Both characters figured it out in their own in different ways. It's just that you can swallow one, but not the other. Neither knew for sure, but it was a hunch. Despite the blue prints, it could have been anybody at Wayne Enterprises, or somebody with access to that information, a contractor, like Reese. But no, he took a gamble with Fox like Blake took a gamble with Bruce, and in neither case did they try to deny it.
I'm just saying that seeing the blue prints and seeing Wayne's expression isn't enough in either case, it's one of many clues that the characters used to piece it all together. What I find silly is the assumption that the film would have been better off by devoting precious time to Blake's investigation, when it was wonderfully summarized with a quick dialogue that also gave us some good character insight. I'd prefer using my imagination.
I'm just saying that seeing the blue prints and seeing Wayne's expression isn't enough in either case, it's one of many clues that the characters used to piece it all together. What I find silly is the assumption that the film would have been better off by devoting precious time to Blake's investigation, when it was wonderfully summarized with a quick dialogue that also gave us some good character insight. I'd prefer using my imagination.
I'm not saying we need to see Blake's investigation either, just him saying something more substantial then he's also an orphan and recognizes a look.
For what it's worth, Reese never specifically says it's Wayne, just that Wayne Enterprises is heavily involved. The actual exchange -
REESE
You wanted me to do the diligence on the L.S.I. Holdings deal, again. Well, I found some irregularities.
FOX
Their CEO is in police custody.
REESE
No, not with their numbers. With yours. Applied sciences, a whole division of Wayne Enterprise just disappeared, overnight. I went down to the archives and I started pulling some old files. Don't tell me you didn't recognize your baby out there, pancaking cop cars on the evening news. Now you've got the entire R and D department burning through cash, claiming it's related to cell phones for the army? What are you building for him now? A rocket ship? I want ten million dollars, a year, for the rest of my life.
FOX
Let me get this straight. You think that your client, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands... and now your plan is to blackmail this person? Good luck.
You wanted me to do the diligence on the L.S.I. Holdings deal, again. Well, I found some irregularities.
FOX
Their CEO is in police custody.
REESE
No, not with their numbers. With yours. Applied sciences, a whole division of Wayne Enterprise just disappeared, overnight. I went down to the archives and I started pulling some old files. Don't tell me you didn't recognize your baby out there, pancaking cop cars on the evening news. Now you've got the entire R and D department burning through cash, claiming it's related to cell phones for the army? What are you building for him now? A rocket ship? I want ten million dollars, a year, for the rest of my life.
FOX
Let me get this straight. You think that your client, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands... and now your plan is to blackmail this person? Good luck.
07-25-12, 08:15 AM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
With regards to his suit in this film, in Dark Knight doesn't Fox make he's suit more flexible at the cost of being more susceptible to being injured?
07-25-12, 08:18 AM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Yeah, I remember that from the 2nd film. Bruce wanted a suit that was easier to move in, but the result would be being more vulnerable to knives and dogs.
But yeah,
But yeah,
Spoiler:
07-25-12, 08:43 AM
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07-25-12, 08:45 AM
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07-25-12, 09:03 AM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Most movies are littered with plotholes, but they're usually nit picks and don't effect the thematic or character points, Nolan isn't exempt from this... Kind of like in Memento, if Leonard Shelby can't create new memories, how does he remember that he can't create new memories.
07-25-12, 09:22 AM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Most movies are littered with plotholes, but they're usually nit picks and don't effect the thematic or character points, Nolan isn't exempt from this... Kind of like in Memento, if Leonard Shelby can't create new memories, how does he remember that he can't create new memories.
07-25-12, 09:36 AM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread