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#851
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I think with TDKR, the problems with the plot are so deeply tied to emotional scenes that they are much more glaring than, 'hey the actor has a different shirt on in this scene'...
The unarmed cops running to fight close quarters with billy clubs against machine guns is an emotional scene so it underscores the feeling: 'hey this is stupid, where did the guns go? why can't they drive a car up the street first to break up the bad guys? Hijack a pickup with a 50cal machine gun like Gordan and 3 guys did'
That is what takes you out of the movie and why. Same with the whole existence of the Pit and how it's set up.
The unarmed cops running to fight close quarters with billy clubs against machine guns is an emotional scene so it underscores the feeling: 'hey this is stupid, where did the guns go? why can't they drive a car up the street first to break up the bad guys? Hijack a pickup with a 50cal machine gun like Gordan and 3 guys did'
That is what takes you out of the movie and why. Same with the whole existence of the Pit and how it's set up.
#852
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Not to derail this thread, but that's all spelled out in Memento. Leonard knows everything about his condition because Sammy Jankis had the same condition. Anterograde amnesia impairs declarative memory, but not procedural memory (at least not to the same degree). Leonard procedurally sees his "Remember Sammy Jankis" tattoo and is aware of his condition.
#853
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Not to derail this thread, but that's all spelled out in Memento. Leonard knows everything about his condition because Sammy Jankis had the same condition. Anterograde amnesia impairs declarative memory, but not procedural memory (at least not to the same degree). Leonard procedurally sees his "Remember Sammy Jankis" tattoo and is aware of his condition.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Didn't Bane figure out Wayne's identity just by looking at video footage? I never read the comic, but I read the novelization of Knightfall twice and just finished my 2nd readthrough last night. He narrowed it down to a bunch of rich dudes in the area, but then got footage of all of them and as soon as he saw Bruce knew it was him.
Finally, Bruce Wayne: tall, handsome, but vacuous. Shambling walk, slouching posture, empty grin.
"Him," said Bane. "The manner is a mask. Beneath it is steel."
I dont see that as much different than what Blake did.
Finally, Bruce Wayne: tall, handsome, but vacuous. Shambling walk, slouching posture, empty grin.
"Him," said Bane. "The manner is a mask. Beneath it is steel."
I dont see that as much different than what Blake did.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
In fairness, that detail gets muddied when Teddy tells Leonard that Sammy was just a con man and the scenario Leonard ascribes to Sammy and his wife is actually what happened to Leonard. If that's to be believed (and I think the movie leaves it open), it raises a lot of questions about the very nature of memory. Even though Leonard can't create "new" memories, can his mind alter the past memories that he does have based on current experiences? There was a really fascinating article related to that kind of question in a recent issue of Wired that detailed how our memories are stored and played back in the brain. But now I'm veering even further off topic...
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
By the way, I saw the movie again last night, and to answer all the whinging questions asking "How Bruce got home from India,"; I had a suspicion, but seeing it again confirmed it.
He got home using "The Bat", via it's fixed autopilot. When he comes back Lucius asks him do you remember where you parked it and then you see it on a rooftop next, it has an Arab/Indian terrain camo cover. Which is obviously meant to imply that he used it to fly back from the other side of the world.
He got home using "The Bat", via it's fixed autopilot. When he comes back Lucius asks him do you remember where you parked it and then you see it on a rooftop next, it has an Arab/Indian terrain camo cover. Which is obviously meant to imply that he used it to fly back from the other side of the world.
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He got home using "The Bat", via it's fixed autopilot. When he comes back Lucius asks him do you remember where you parked it and then you see it on a rooftop next, it has an Arab/Indian terrain camo cover. Which is obviously meant to imply that he used it to fly back from the other side of the world.
#858
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but the city was being patrolled by fighter planes to keep people from flying out or in. Adding to the problems of Bane and his friends leaving on a charter plane.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Not to mention the fact that for this "logic" to work, Fox would also have to have known that the autopilot was working, based on the "remember where you parked?" line, which completely invalidates the scene later when it is revealed to him that it was fixed months ago by Wayne.
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Um, Yes. What exactly is so unrealistic about this? He could clearly operate it from afar? Why exactly could he not give it a general location to land in once he knew where he was?
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Not to mention the fact that for this "logic" to work, Fox would also have to have known that the autopilot was working, based on the "remember where you parked?" line, which completely invalidates the scene later when it is revealed to him that it was fixed months ago by Wayne.
Are you actually comprehending what I posted? Lucius asking him if he remembered where he parked does not mean that Lucius knows that the autopilot was working.
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Quite frankly, I don't think any implied explanation for how Bruce got back to Gotham is necessary. By this point in the trilogy he's been shown be an incredibly resourceful, cunning, and stealthy individual who could figure out how to get back and get into the locked-down city just fine.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
He definitely DID NOT USE THE BAT TO GET HOME. Lucius asks him if he remembers where he parked it....FIVE MONTHS AGO, before he was beaten to a pulp. It has that camo on it to keep it hidden from prying eyes. There is no explanation in the film itself as to how he got back, but it doesn't matter anyhow - but without a doubt, he didn't use The Bat. (and it's not like he had a transmitter on him to give The Bat his location). I've seen this movie three times and this idea is ridiculous.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
So when in the movie was this explained. You seem to have seen a different cut than I did.
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By the way, I saw the movie again last night, and to answer all the whinging questions asking "How Bruce got home from India,"; I had a suspicion, but seeing it again confirmed it.
He got home using "The Bat", via it's fixed autopilot. When he comes back Lucius asks him do you remember where you parked it and then you see it on a rooftop next, it has an Arab/Indian terrain camo cover. Which is obviously meant to imply that he used it to fly back from the other side of the world.
He got home using "The Bat", via it's fixed autopilot. When he comes back Lucius asks him do you remember where you parked it and then you see it on a rooftop next, it has an Arab/Indian terrain camo cover. Which is obviously meant to imply that he used it to fly back from the other side of the world.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
I think with TDKR, the problems with the plot are so deeply tied to emotional scenes that they are much more glaring than, 'hey the actor has a different shirt on in this scene'...
The unarmed cops running to fight close quarters with billy clubs against machine guns is an emotional scene so it underscores the feeling: 'hey this is stupid, where did the guns go? why can't they drive a car up the street first to break up the bad guys? Hijack a pickup with a 50cal machine gun like Gordan and 3 guys did'
That is what takes you out of the movie and why. Same with the whole existence of the Pit and how it's set up.
The unarmed cops running to fight close quarters with billy clubs against machine guns is an emotional scene so it underscores the feeling: 'hey this is stupid, where did the guns go? why can't they drive a car up the street first to break up the bad guys? Hijack a pickup with a 50cal machine gun like Gordan and 3 guys did'
That is what takes you out of the movie and why. Same with the whole existence of the Pit and how it's set up.
The scene with the cops running at the gun wielding bad guys took me out of the movie, because it is just silly to be running towards men with machine guns.
And you're right, it was all just a set up to add emotion to the scene. Just like the quick shot of Batman in the plane flying over the bay with the nuke. Logically, it didn't make sense for Batman to be there. He would have hit the eject button and put the plane on auto-pilot already.
Still though, for a director that has a tough time creating emotion, I thought Nolan did a pretty admirable job with it here. I wasn't crying when we thought Batman died but I was very happy when it was revealed that Bruce Wayne was able to get out of Gotham alive and well.
And it was pointed out in a blurb I read, but did anyone notice that the speech Alfred gave Bruce was the same idea as the speech Affleck gave Damon in Good Will Hunting?
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
I agree. Typically, anytime a movie takes you out of the moment it's a bad thing.
The scene with the cops running at the gun wielding bad guys took me out of the movie, because it is just silly to be running towards men with machine guns.
And you're right, it was all just a set up to add emotion to the scene. Just like the quick shot of Batman in the plane flying over the bay with the nuke. Logically, it didn't make sense for Batman to be there. He would have hit the eject button and put the plane on auto-pilot already.
The scene with the cops running at the gun wielding bad guys took me out of the movie, because it is just silly to be running towards men with machine guns.
And you're right, it was all just a set up to add emotion to the scene. Just like the quick shot of Batman in the plane flying over the bay with the nuke. Logically, it didn't make sense for Batman to be there. He would have hit the eject button and put the plane on auto-pilot already.
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You're making a major leap that the style of camouflage shown over the Bat in that shot is supposed to indicate that the Bat was used to help Batman get back to Gotham City. When I saw that in the movie, I just assumed he used a camo cover that blended well with the top of the building to keep the Bat from being obvious. That's far more plausible than your suggestion.
#873
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Everybody has to remember that these are still superhero movies. It's about a guy that dresses up as a bat and fights mystic villians and those that wear scarecrow masks and a guy that dresses up as a clown, but doesn't get laughed, etc, etc. Nothing in these superhero movies are realistic. Nolan's Batman films might be MORE realistic than other superhero movies, but they're not meant to be hyper realistic like say Saving Private Ryan's opening scene or something like that. They're just fun movies about guys that dress up in costumes.
I feel that cops running towards machine gun fire breaks a rule of Nolan's Batman world. The cops in these movies have never been that reckless.
I also feel that the quick shot of Batman in the plane broke the rule because well, it just didn't make sense for him to be there. I know Nolan was trying to make us believe that Batman actually blew up. If he just showed the plane flying over the bay with no shot of Batman inside, it would have been too obvious that Bruce wasn't in there. So I get what he was trying to do, just chose a poor way to do it.
With that said, I don't think him finding a way to go from India to Gotham was a big deal. We know Bruce to be a savvy guy with plenty of connections. I didn't need to see how he got back.
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