Solid Snake

I'm confused. Your comment stems from where? I've been gone a while.

Shannon Nutt

Actually, we're sick of superhero movies where the hero is dark, depressing and fighting inner-demons. What's wrong with a little hope?

kgrogers1979

Maybe they could get her to play Valkyrie...



And Punisher. He's so happy and hopeful. So are Wolverine and Ghost Rider. [/sarcasm]

Daredevil is actually a mix. In most early eras, he was pretty lighthearted. Then Frank Miller really darkened him up in the 1970s (like he would later with Batman in the 1980s). The Bendis and Brubaker eras were also really dark. I would love for Nolan to take on a Daredevil trilogy based on the Miller/Bendis/Brubaker eras.

Solid Snake

For sure DD works in a more "realistic" world. I hate using Nolan as an example..but..well..he is probably the best example of that. I dunno if I'd want Nolan for it but he made Batman as real as he could be w/ what one can do based on the material.

Dragon Tattoo

Yeah, that one we got every 4 years was really pushing it.

FRwL

It is tougher to pull off a goody-two shoes hero and make him cool withOUT resorting to any badboy routines, but cool only in his purely good way. I too am sick of the dark=cool, turmoil, redemption, etc. They are easy cop outs. This is why i do like Superman more than Batman. Can someone give me an example from the comics i dont have any clue at the moment.

Supermallet

That comment shows me that you haven't actually watched many of the movies based on Marvel characters.

Dragon Tattoo

Yeah, I've seen them all. The Marvel cinematic universe is custom made to sell toys. It's lightweight, children's entertainment.

Supermallet

Just because they're not over two hours or rated R doesn't mean they're children's entertainment. But whatever, I should know better than to feed the trolls.

PatD

Why is honest, dissenting opinion automatically considered "trolling"?

yoshimi

It is only trolling if you point out how bad the Nolan Batman films are. Any other time it is called having an opinion.

kgrogers1979

Your statements don't match. Before you said there were no movies period with darker Marvel characters. Then when people point out characters like Blade, Punisher, and Wolverine you backpedal and say you meant the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which isn't the same as all Marvel movies period.

And just because its "lighter" doesn't mean its exclusively meant for kids. That's just absurd. Its meant for an audience of all ages. Thinking that something "light" is too "kiddy" is the same idiotic excuse teenagers use for not liking Nintendo. Beating a prostitute's brains in in GTA is what they think is "mature."

Supermallet

"Every Marvel movie is children's entertainment" doesn't feel like honest dissent to me. Maybe if Dragon Tattoo elaborated I might change my mind about his intentions, but broad sweeping statements like that feel like trolling to me.

PatD

There's nothing wrong with a brooding superhero--if there's real substance behind there dark persona and it's organic to the character. If it's done simply for the sake of being "edgy"--then fuck that.

Back to the "Man of Steel":

What made the Christopher Reeve portrayal so brilliant was his balance of innocence with savviness and gentleness with strength. I hope against hope that they *don't* try to and "Vin Diesel-ize" Superman for modern audiences--but, they probably will.



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Solid Snake

what? Rephrase that.

PatD

Are you referring to what I said? "Vin Diesel-ize" means turning a beloved, likeable character into a typical alpha-male asshole in order to appeal to a more jaded audience.

RoboDad

I think what may have been confusing was the structure of this sentence fragment:

I assumed that you meant that you hope they DON'T try to "Vin Diesel-ize" Supes.

PatD

Oops. Corrected.

Solid Snake

Ok...that's what I thought.

I don't think they'll do that...but they'll give him a sense of power that Reeve's didn't have, nor did it call for it.

Again..it's w/ the whole..."how does the world react to a being like this?" type of thing. He's going to have a heart but he'll strike when a strike is needed and it'll be felt.

M1000be

Here is my problem.

I love Nolan and I appreciate what he has done for the genre, but I don't want my Superman brooding. The whole purpose of him is for hope. He doesn't wear a mask, he has bright colors and he should make you happy. From what I seen in the leaked Comic-Con footage, it appears the Nolan vision is at hand and this Kal-El is more brooding and angry. Even the textured and muted color suit suggests this.

The other problem is Snyder. Can he deliver a film without crappy CG and slow-motion every scene? I enjoyed 300 for what it was and I thought Watchmen was good but flawed. However, if he leaves too much of his own mark on the film, then it will suffer. If I am watching the movie and it makes me realize I am watching a Snyder film, it fails. If on the other hand, he pulls back, matures as a director and lets the story do the work, then I think it'll be okay.

Maxflier

I just did the same and boy did I dodge a bullet by not blind-buying it on Blu-Ray when it came out because it was a major bore. But I do agree that Cavill seems like he will make a pretty awesome Superman.

RoboDad

But if he "strikes" at the people of Earth, especially out of anger, he would cease to be Superman, and would become a villain himself.

Jules Winfield

I tried getting an elaboration from him before and I don't think he knows how to.

FRwL

Movies where good guys were more interesting than bad guys:
Day of the Jackal (1973)
Public Enemies (2009)

Solid Snake

That wouldn't be Superman anymore. I don't think you've enough faith in people understanding him. I don't think he broods. I think he has to discover himself. Not exactly brooding but more an self exploration of what he himself is. Once he goes Supes, that's where I think we'll see him grow into the symbol of hope that he is.



what? Where'd you get that he'd strike at the people at Earth?

He's a man who has to hold back. He's a god essentially. A god that must control himself physically and mentally. To not be tempted by that could be. The temptation isn't there because of his family. They gave birth to the Superman persona. The ethics and understanding of morality and mortality. They made Superman.