Superman: The Man of Steel (D: Snyder)
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I find all the bitching about the Flash costume funny since we're lucky he wore a costume at all. The network that produced that show was pushing real hard for the Flash to simply be a guy in regular street clothes and they refused at any given opportunity to allow any of his rogues gallery to be used. I still don't know how the makers of the show managed to get the Trickster in there and in full costume.
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Does anyone seriously think the British audience would have accepted an American playing the role of Harry Potter?
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Sorry. But Superman is an anchor baby. America was forced to accept him. Sent to Earth by his criminal parents. Working in the liberal press. And being a complete elitist about his abilities.
Let me guess, he's gay, too?
Let me guess, he's gay, too?
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Gotta love these fanboy arguments.
Really, what does it matter if Batman was portrayed by a Welsh guy and directed by a Brit?
What does it matter if Wolverine was portrayed by an Australian instead of a Canadian?
Is this really an issue for people or just something to talk about to pass the time?
Really, what does it matter if Batman was portrayed by a Welsh guy and directed by a Brit?
What does it matter if Wolverine was portrayed by an Australian instead of a Canadian?
Is this really an issue for people or just something to talk about to pass the time?
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It almost happened, actually. The role was once offered to Burt Reynolds. He turned it down because he felt Bond should be played by a Brit rather than an American.
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I hope the movie makers listen to people's complaints about Superman not being played by an American and decide to cast Shia Lebeuf in the role next time around.
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No, I think it is more analogous to US parents adopting infant children from third world countries. Would most people consider those adoptees as Americans by the time they reach adulthood?
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Eamon De Valera was the first president of Ireland, and for his part in the fight against the UK for independence and creating an Irish government, he's a monumental figure in Irish history.
De Valera, an Irishman, was spared from execution by British forces because he was born in the US and the UK weren't going to kill an American national.
In the movie Michael Collins, De Valera, an anti-UK terrorist/Irish patriot, is played by Alan Rickman. The most British man on Earth.
And not a single fuck was given by fans of the film because he kicked ass playing Dev. He disappeared into the role.
Wait until you see the performance before you judge whether Cavill is convincing in his portrayal of a longtime immigrant to the US. Prejudice just makes you look foolish. Thank you.
De Valera, an Irishman, was spared from execution by British forces because he was born in the US and the UK weren't going to kill an American national.
In the movie Michael Collins, De Valera, an anti-UK terrorist/Irish patriot, is played by Alan Rickman. The most British man on Earth.
And not a single fuck was given by fans of the film because he kicked ass playing Dev. He disappeared into the role.
Wait until you see the performance before you judge whether Cavill is convincing in his portrayal of a longtime immigrant to the US. Prejudice just makes you look foolish. Thank you.
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I don't think anyone is judging, just discussing an interesting double standard in films.
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+1
We have over 300 million people in this country, you would think Hollywood could find one American man in it to play Superman. Of course Hollywood partially does this because they think the movie will sell better overseas if they cast a foreigner. One of the problems is that many of the top executives making studio decisions in Hollywood are not from America. Most actors are awful at completely hiding their normal accents and it's usually pretty easy to guess which ones aren't American in a movie.
We have over 300 million people in this country, you would think Hollywood could find one American man in it to play Superman. Of course Hollywood partially does this because they think the movie will sell better overseas if they cast a foreigner. One of the problems is that many of the top executives making studio decisions in Hollywood are not from America. Most actors are awful at completely hiding their normal accents and it's usually pretty easy to guess which ones aren't American in a movie.
And since Christopher Reeve's ancestry is French Superman was also a chicken frog! The scene of him moving the Eiffel Tower in Superman III were secretly him in a turmoil over his identity.
Last edited by FRwL; 06-18-12 at 02:05 PM.
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So we should all be up for the role of Superman, despite not being actors? Who cares how many Americans there are, it's completely irrelevant when we're talking about casting a movie. You talk numbers that are actually relevant and you have less than a hundred actors who have the right talent, age, and physique to portray Superman. The producers went with the best actor for the role they envisioned. Deal with it.
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It depends on what era you are talking about. Pre-Crisis Clark was legally adopted. The Kents took him to an orphanage and later came back to adopt him. After COIE, Byrne rewrote it so that Jor-El created a "birthing matrix" in the ship so that Clark wasn't actually even born until he reached Earth. In that regard, he technically was born in America and therefore an American. The Kents took the newborn baby in as their own and got the birth certificate. I don't really know how that would work, if Martha lied and said she gave birth at home or what they did.
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For everyone saying that the studio did the right thing and went with the best actor for the role, surely you realize that even then there was no way people of certain races were going to play Superman. Cavill not being American was probably not on their list of considerations, but you can't tell me physical appearance didn't play more of a role than him being suited in the acting department. There is no way we will ever see Superman played on film by someone who isn't caucasion. So saying they went with the best actor based on acting alone is probably not a valid argument.
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Once upon a time I thought Denzel Washington and Samuel L. Jackson could have made for a pretty decent Superman/Lex Luthor combo. Certainly better than Aston Kutcher/Vin Diesel and some of the other crap choices that were kicked around.
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For everyone saying that the studio did the right thing and went with the best actor for the role, surely you realize that even then there was no way people of certain races were going to play Superman. Cavill not being American was probably not on their list of considerations, but you can't tell me physical appearance didn't play more of a role than him being suited in the acting department. There is no way we will ever see Superman played on film by someone who isn't caucasion. So saying they went with the best actor based on acting alone is probably not a valid argument.
We weren't talking about the visual. We were talking about his country of origin.




