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Old 06-16-12 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
It's the Internet. When we run out of real things to bitch about, we start makin' shit up.
Probably the most clever summary of internet forums I've ever heard.
Old 06-16-12 | 09:10 PM
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It's the Internet. When we run out of real things to bitch about, we start makin' shit up.
Hey! We were doing that long before you whippersnappers began twiddling around with the gosh-darned internets.
Old 06-16-12 | 11:05 PM
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I find all the bitching about the Flash costume funny since we're lucky he wore a costume at all. The network that produced that show was pushing real hard for the Flash to simply be a guy in regular street clothes and they refused at any given opportunity to allow any of his rogues gallery to be used. I still don't know how the makers of the show managed to get the Trickster in there and in full costume.
Old 06-17-12 | 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC
I'd agree that w/ Cap he had to be an American. Cuz...well...America is part of his name it'd be a huge joke.

Superman though? No.
Superman lived his entire childhood in Kansas and then moved to Metropolis (fictional alternative to New York or Chicago) as an adult. If he's not American, than what is he? He certainly would have an American accent and grown up with American values.

Does anyone seriously think the British audience would have accepted an American playing the role of Harry Potter?
Old 06-17-12 | 12:31 AM
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Sorry. But Superman is an anchor baby. America was forced to accept him. Sent to Earth by his criminal parents. Working in the liberal press. And being a complete elitist about his abilities.

Let me guess, he's gay, too?
Old 06-17-12 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Martin
Gotta love these fanboy arguments.

Really, what does it matter if Batman was portrayed by a Welsh guy and directed by a Brit?
What does it matter if Wolverine was portrayed by an Australian instead of a Canadian?

Is this really an issue for people or just something to talk about to pass the time?
They're just doing the jobs Americans wont do.
Old 06-18-12 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
Superman lived his entire childhood in Kansas and then moved to Metropolis (fictional alternative to New York or Chicago) as an adult. If he's not American, than what is he? He certainly would have an American accent and grown up with American values.
...and you realize you've just supported President Obama's position for illegals who came to the United States through no fault/choice of their own.
Old 06-18-12 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
Does anyone seriously think the British audience would have accepted an American playing the role of Harry Potter?
That's an interesting way of looking at it. No way Bond will be played by an American either. Double standards.
Old 06-18-12 | 07:20 AM
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That's an interesting way of looking at it. No way Bond will be played by an American either. Double standards.
It almost happened, actually. The role was once offered to Burt Reynolds. He turned it down because he felt Bond should be played by a Brit rather than an American.
Old 06-18-12 | 07:28 AM
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Bond has been played by an American.
Old 06-18-12 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Groucho
Bond has been played by an American.
Yeah but the character was called Jimmy Bond and it isn't considered one of the "official" Bond films. It's also a short, as I recall.
Old 06-18-12 | 08:24 AM
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I hope the movie makers listen to people's complaints about Superman not being played by an American and decide to cast Shia Lebeuf in the role next time around.
Old 06-18-12 | 10:09 AM
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...and you realize you've just supported President Obama's position for illegals who came to the United States through no fault/choice of their own.
No, I think it is more analogous to US parents adopting infant children from third world countries. Would most people consider those adoptees as Americans by the time they reach adulthood?
Old 06-18-12 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Goat3001
I hope the movie makers listen to people's complaints about Superman not being played by an American and decide to cast Shia Lebeuf in the role next time around.
& Megan Fox as Lois Lane. Brainiac looks suspiciously like Megatron.
Old 06-18-12 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC
I don't care where the actor is film. As long as he plays the role well...that's all that matters.
Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
This x1000
You agree with the statement, "I don't care where the actor is film", that vehemently?
Old 06-18-12 | 11:49 AM
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Eamon De Valera was the first president of Ireland, and for his part in the fight against the UK for independence and creating an Irish government, he's a monumental figure in Irish history.

De Valera, an Irishman, was spared from execution by British forces because he was born in the US and the UK weren't going to kill an American national.

In the movie Michael Collins, De Valera, an anti-UK terrorist/Irish patriot, is played by Alan Rickman. The most British man on Earth.

And not a single fuck was given by fans of the film because he kicked ass playing Dev. He disappeared into the role.

Wait until you see the performance before you judge whether Cavill is convincing in his portrayal of a longtime immigrant to the US. Prejudice just makes you look foolish. Thank you.
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I don't think anyone is judging, just discussing an interesting double standard in films.
Old 06-18-12 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Numanoid
You agree with the statement, "I don't care where the actor is film", that vehemently?
If the from is good then who cares where the actor is film?
Old 06-18-12 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
It almost happened, actually. The role was once offered to Burt Reynolds. He turned it down because he felt Bond should be played by a Brit rather than an American.
Also Adam West right after connery but turned it down for similar reasons... and then went on to b-movie goodness. These guys are total nobles.

Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
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We have over 300 million people in this country, you would think Hollywood could find one American man in it to play Superman. Of course Hollywood partially does this because they think the movie will sell better overseas if they cast a foreigner. One of the problems is that many of the top executives making studio decisions in Hollywood are not from America. Most actors are awful at completely hiding their normal accents and it's usually pretty easy to guess which ones aren't American in a movie.
One of the reasons Connery was so big as Bond is because he looked vaguely international since he had a darkly complexion instead of being a stereotypical Brit.

Originally Posted by troystiffler
Sorry. But Superman is an anchor baby. America was forced to accept him. Sent to Earth by his criminal parents. Working in the liberal press. And being a complete elitist about his abilities.

Let me guess, he's gay, too?
And since Christopher Reeve's ancestry is French Superman was also a chicken frog! The scene of him moving the Eiffel Tower in Superman III were secretly him in a turmoil over his identity.

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Old 06-18-12 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
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We have over 300 million people in this country, you would think Hollywood could find one American man in it to play Superman.
So we should all be up for the role of Superman, despite not being actors? Who cares how many Americans there are, it's completely irrelevant when we're talking about casting a movie. You talk numbers that are actually relevant and you have less than a hundred actors who have the right talent, age, and physique to portray Superman. The producers went with the best actor for the role they envisioned. Deal with it.
Old 06-18-12 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RoboDad
No, I think it is more analogous to US parents adopting infant children from third world countries. Would most people consider those adoptees as Americans by the time they reach adulthood?
Yes, but Superman wasn't officially adopted. The Kents would have had to fudge the paperwork/produced a fake birth certificate. Hence = ILLEGAL alien!
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
Yes, but Superman wasn't officially adopted. The Kents would have had to fudge the paperwork/produced a fake birth certificate. Hence = ILLEGAL alien!
It depends on what era you are talking about. Pre-Crisis Clark was legally adopted. The Kents took him to an orphanage and later came back to adopt him. After COIE, Byrne rewrote it so that Jor-El created a "birthing matrix" in the ship so that Clark wasn't actually even born until he reached Earth. In that regard, he technically was born in America and therefore an American. The Kents took the newborn baby in as their own and got the birth certificate. I don't really know how that would work, if Martha lied and said she gave birth at home or what they did.
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For everyone saying that the studio did the right thing and went with the best actor for the role, surely you realize that even then there was no way people of certain races were going to play Superman. Cavill not being American was probably not on their list of considerations, but you can't tell me physical appearance didn't play more of a role than him being suited in the acting department. There is no way we will ever see Superman played on film by someone who isn't caucasion. So saying they went with the best actor based on acting alone is probably not a valid argument.
Old 06-18-12 | 02:54 PM
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Once upon a time I thought Denzel Washington and Samuel L. Jackson could have made for a pretty decent Superman/Lex Luthor combo. Certainly better than Aston Kutcher/Vin Diesel and some of the other crap choices that were kicked around.
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For everyone saying that the studio did the right thing and went with the best actor for the role, surely you realize that even then there was no way people of certain races were going to play Superman. Cavill not being American was probably not on their list of considerations, but you can't tell me physical appearance didn't play more of a role than him being suited in the acting department. There is no way we will ever see Superman played on film by someone who isn't caucasion. So saying they went with the best actor based on acting alone is probably not a valid argument.
Not exactly. Where he's from is irrelevant. What he looks like? Very relevant. Though the former can influence the result of the latter, of course.

We weren't talking about the visual. We were talking about his country of origin.


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