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Old 07-20-10 | 09:17 AM
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Now convoluted is The Matrix Reloaded and that Architect...don't get me started. I don't think the Wachowski's even knew the meaning of that stupidness.
...The Matrix Revolutions shows that they didn't.
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...The Matrix Revolutions shows that they didn't.

You're absolutely right.
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The real world is boring as fuck. I'm still confused as to how a society like that exists w/ those kind of advancements in technology. The ships and getting into The Matrix..fine, I'm convinced but..how the fuck does Zion have all this "X" but none of this "X"?
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in regards to Inception and my general opinion of the film, I liked the premise and FX, but the characters were all a bit bland and one dimensional - I really didn't care for them, this was one of the rare DiCaprio characters that I thought he did a less than stellar acting job.
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Yeah, Nolan was a little too caught up in executing the idea that he forgot a few other aspects of movie making (dialog and acting took a back seat, though the performances were generally decent). It didn't bother me as much as it bothered some others.
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Here is an illustrated guide of the 5 levels:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/An-Il...ion-19643.html
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I honestly don't see how Nolan is any better of a director than Michael Bay.
Go away.
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Originally Posted by Blu Man
Go away.
this post is not only bold... but silly.
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I agree with Blu Man. Lamphorn is trolling.
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Very good, that's right! ha!
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Originally Posted by RagingBull80
I agree with Blu Man. Lamphorn is trolling.
It's an opinion. I've simply never been Nolan fan, and no matter how much I wanted to like Inception based on the trailers, I just couldn't get past the fact that while he has some cool shots and sets, the story is just dreadfully told.

I liked Memento, not so much the Batman movies.. Heath Ledger made the Dark Knight watchable with his awesome performance, but the script was, like this one, philoso-psycho-babble Wachowski-lite drivel.

Haven't seen Insomnia or The Prestige, but I will someday.

As far as his directing, I think I shouldn't be bored throughout much of the movie, especially the action scenes.
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The snow fighting in particular so resembled "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2", that I started wanting to snipe motherfuckers and didn't even care about the story
. The editing and the action just got so monotonous. He has a cool visual style, but like Fincher (who has an even better style), you just don't give a flying fuck about the characters or what happens to them. You're just looking at the visuals. And frankly the cityscapes in this movie, like Dark Knight, are totally drab and just feel Matrix generic.

I will give Nolan and company (and the studio) credit for putting out a mature movie that isn't one of the endless 3D children's cartoons that are filling the theatres these days. These kinds of artistic risks SHOULD be taken and I totally applaud it. I just think Nolan's a crappy writer and so-so director. I'd be interested in seeing him direct something by another writer.

I particularly like this selection from A.O. Scott's review of "Inception" from the New York Times-

The accomplishments of “Inception” are mainly technical, which is faint praise only if you insist on expecting something more from commercial entertainment. That audiences do — and should — expect more is partly, I suspect, what has inspired some of the feverish early notices hailing “Inception” as a masterpiece, just as the desire for a certifiably great superhero movie led to the wild overrating of “The Dark Knight.” In both cases Mr. Nolan’s virtuosity as a conjurer of brilliant scenes and stunning set pieces, along with his ability to invest grandeur and novelty into conventional themes, have fostered the illusion that he is some kind of visionary.

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A.O. Scott's whining is beyond grating, it's fucking laughable.

TRANSLATION: "Everyone likes Nolan's movies because they WANT to like them, not because they're any good."

DEEPER TRANSLATION: "I'm so insecure in my own fucking opinion that I've convinced myself everyone else is delusional."
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Originally Posted by lamphorn
I'd be interested in seeing him direct something by another writer.
Insomnia was released 8 years ago and you haven't seen that, so you can't be that interested.
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Originally Posted by lamphorn
It's an opinion. I've simply never been Nolan fan, and no matter how much I wanted to like Inception based on the trailers, I just couldn't get past the fact that while he has some cool shots and sets, the story is just dreadfully told.

I liked Memento, not so much the Batman movies.. Heath Ledger made the Dark Knight watchable with his awesome performance, but the script was, like this one, philoso-psycho-babble Wachowski-lite drivel.

Haven't seen Insomnia or The Prestige, but I will someday.

As far as his directing, I think I shouldn't be bored throughout much of the movie, especially the action scenes.
Spoiler:
The snow fighting in particular so resembled "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2", that I started wanting to snipe motherfuckers and didn't even care about the story
. The editing and the action just got so monotonous. He has a cool visual style, but like Fincher (who has an even better style), you just don't give a flying fuck about the characters or what happens to them. You're just looking at the visuals. And frankly the cityscapes in this movie, like Dark Knight, are totally drab and just feel Matrix generic.

I will give Nolan and company (and the studio) credit for putting out a mature movie that isn't one of the endless 3D children's cartoons that are filling the theatres these days. These kinds of artistic risks SHOULD be taken and I totally applaud it. I just think Nolan's a crappy writer and so-so director. I'd be interested in seeing him direct something by another writer.

I particularly like this selection from A.O. Scott's review of "Inception" from the New York Times-
Do you happen to reside in New York?
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Originally Posted by dino88
Insomnia was released 8 years ago and you haven't seen that, so you can't be that interested.
Originally Posted by lamphorn
Haven't seen Insomnia or The Prestige, but I will someday.
But, yes, I'm not that interested. The films of his that I have seen aren't exactly inspiring me to rush out and see his ouvre. Someday it'll be on cable and I'll check it out.
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Do you happen to reside in New York?
No, why? Do you think I'm Armond White or something?

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Originally Posted by the_dude8
Here is an illustrated guide of the 5 levels:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/An-Il...ion-19643.html
Shouldn't there be one more level, Fischer Jr. level 1 is a dream?

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I am really thinking that the whole purpose of the movie is to get Cobbs out of the dream world. As mentioned by slop101, the top totem is his wife's totem, he has not gotten out of the dream world. Everyone is sent by the "father-in-law" or even Mal's herself, because she "killed herself" and finally has awoken to reality. Mal realizes that she needs people to get Cobbs out of the dream world. Cobbs is so into the dream world that he doesn't realizes this. And as for rules it seems only one person can have an individual totem.

As mention previously, the kids are his totem, we never see the faces until the end, when he has "woken" up to reality. The only part I am trying to figure out is the awaken part on the plane is still a dream and it's only when he gives his passport that is the reality. He doesn't acknowledge anyone during the baggage claim area or is even the whole airport scene a dream?

Was it my understanding that the deeper you go into the levels of dream, the longer time will be? So maybe it's been a month or two in reality?

The only question is if this is true, is Mal still alive? I don't know. I only saw the movie once I need repeated viewing to try to make it out.

That's my take on it.
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Originally Posted by lamphorn
No, why? Do you think I'm Armond White or something?
I dunno, are you?

You say that you don't care about the characters in Nolan's films, so you find the action boring because you don't care what happens to them. You brought up Michael Bay, do you care about the characters in his films? They are as single dimensional as possible and to top it off nearly all of his films have little to no story.

Nolan's and Fincher's films however are driven by story and supplemented with visual effects. Not to seem rude, but are you 12? Your opinions echo exactly what my nephew believes. We, the audience, are force fed high paced garbage, like Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen so often that apparently the average joe seems to think that when action scenes don't switch angles every 3 seconds that it is "boring".

You posting your negative thoughts on the film are fine, but you know very well that comparing Nolan, which many people believe is one of the best filmmakers in Hollywood today, to Michael Bay who is essentially the anti-christ of blockbuster cinema, will piss people off. That comment was simply to get attention and be a contrarian, like Armond White. Your sir, are acting like a troll.
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Originally Posted by tronmaster
Shouldn't there be one more level, Fischer Jr. level 1 is a dream?

Spoiler:
I am really thinking that the whole purpose of the movie is to get Cobbs out of the dream world. As mentioned by slop101, the top totem is his wife's totem, he has not gotten out of the dream world. Everyone is sent by the "father-in-law" or even Mal's herself, because she "killed herself" and finally has awoken to reality. Mal realizes that she needs people to get Cobbs out of the dream world. Cobbs is so into the dream world that he doesn't realizes this. And as for rules it seems only one person can have an individual totem.

As mention previously, the kids are his totem, we never see the faces until the end, when he has "woken" up to reality. The only part I am trying to figure out is the awaken part on the plane is still a dream and it's only when he gives his passport that is the reality. He doesn't acknowledge anyone during the baggage claim area or is even the whole airport scene a dream?

Was it my understanding that the deeper you go into the levels of dream, the longer time will be? So maybe it's been a month or two in reality?

The only question is if this is true, is Mal still alive? I don't know. I only saw the movie once I need repeated viewing to try to make it out.

That's my take on it.
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Originally Posted by Blu Man
I dunno, are you?

You say that you don't care about the characters in Nolan's films, so you find the action boring because you don't care what happens to them. You brought up Michael Bay, do you care about the characters in his films? They are as single dimensional as possible and to top it off nearly all of his films have little to no story.

Nolan's and Fincher's films however are driven by story and supplemented with visual effects. Not to seem rude, but are you 12? Your opinions echo exactly what my nephew believes. We, the audience, are force fed high paced garbage, like Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen so often that apparently the average joe seems to think that when action scenes don't switch angles every 3 seconds that it is "boring".

You posting your negative thoughts on the film are fine, but you know very well that comparing Nolan, which many people believe is one of the best filmmakers in Hollywood today, to Michael Bay who is essentially the anti-christ of blockbuster cinema, will piss people off. That comment was simply to get attention and be a contrarian, like Armond White. Your sir, are acting like a troll.
But is it trolling if the opinion is honest? I certainly knew evoking Bay would be charged, but it's a way of expressing my astonishment at the way Nolan is revered by so many cinephiles who I would normally agree with. To me, Bay and Nolan are directors of a similar stripe. Both make entertaining big-budget action flicks with visual flair. I think both are capable of composing beautiful individual shots but both create action scenes that are mind-numbing and direct dialogue scenes like a high school student. To top it off, Nolan writes scripts like a show-off Philosophy major [*cough*, Wachowski,*cough*]. Good acting from the likes of Heath Ledger and DiCaprio makes listening to it tolerable. As far as Fincher goes, I feel he's of a much higher calibre, but also falls into the trap of valuing spectacle over drama.

I will qualify this by saying I'm going on my memories of The Rock and Armageddon and haven't seen the Transformers films.. Maybe if I saw them, I'd change my opinion, but I truly can't grasp why one would consider either of those guys better than the other.

Trolls do drive-by's and threadcrap without backing up their opinions. I think I've explained mine pretty clearly. And politely, too.

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........direct dialoge scenes like a HS student? Wait...you haven't seen the latest Bay films..oh man. Watch them and then come back.
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I think we should note that while lamphorn's opinion is not popular, he has been nice enough to stick around and explain what he means, hasn't been rude, and hasn't made any comments about other posters. Let's make sure we extend the same courtesy to him.
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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC
........direct dialoge scenes like a HS student? Wait...you haven't seen the latest Bay films..oh man. Watch them and then come back.
Yeah, if you haven't seen Bay's films in the last few years, stop the comparison. The difference between the two is that Nolan's films are story first, visuals second. Bay is the exact opposite. I will conclude with saying that your opinions astound me, but they are your opinions. Just be fully aware that you are in the vast minority.
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Originally Posted by lamphorn
I've simply never been Nolan fan, and no matter how much I wanted to like Inception based on the trailers, I just couldn't get past the fact that while he has some cool shots and sets, the story is just dreadfully told.

I liked Memento, not so much the Batman movies.. Heath Ledger made the Dark Knight watchable with his awesome performance, but the script was, like this one, philoso-psycho-babble Wachowski-lite drivel.

Haven't seen Insomnia or The Prestige, but I will someday.
I highly suggest a viewing of The Prestige ... I love Memento ..... but I would say The Prestige is an even better ride ..... as I said earlier, Inception .... wanted to love it going in, wasn't so impressed coming out (save the "that's what she said jokes please (; )

Insomnia, didn't care for it a bit and the 2 Batman flicks, nothing more than well executed superhero movies which I guess is good since it isn't all that common outside of a few franchises (X-Men, Iron Man) of many
never saw Following

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