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Inception (Nolan, 2010)- The Reviews Thread
#351
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I especially like the idea of it being analogous of movie making and the relationship between the filmmaker and the audience.
And as stated, all of it being a dream explains away my one major criticism, that every other character besides Cobb was underdeveloped and almost peripheral.
And as stated, all of it being a dream explains away my one major criticism, that every other character besides Cobb was underdeveloped and almost peripheral.
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/10271091-post137.html
I usually don't pick up on things like that, but it stood out to me.
#352
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Wow, now I feel smart since I said that a few days ago here:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/10271091-post137.html
I usually don't pick up on things like that, but it stood out to me.
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/10271091-post137.html
I usually don't pick up on things like that, but it stood out to me.
I still think Michael Caine marked Dom for Inception so he could return to his kids, but doesn't really jive if the final scene is still a dream. Maybe he just moved up a level from Limbo and requires another attempt to get him one step closer to reality?? Damn I need to see this again.
#353
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Pretty solid theory from CHUD on why 100% of Inception takes place in a dream:
[spoilerized for space]
Thoughts?
[spoilerized for space]
Spoiler:
Thoughts?
If the movie is all a dream, and that theory makes an excellent argument that it is, then that gives us a good explanation as to why only Cobb has any backstory or depth. But that's still an intellectual rationalization that doesn't make the movie any more satisfying to me as an audience member. It's like what Dennis says to Dee in It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia when she tries to tell him a funny dream she had: "I hate hearing other people's dreams. It's like looking at someone else's vacation photos. If I'm not in them or no one's having sex, I'm just not interested."

But yeah, I think that theory is spot on in terms of what the film is actually about.
#354
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8 1/2 huh? You know, I don't think anyone pointed it out but the last scene with DiCaprio in the house I thought he was wearing the exact outfit that we have seen Nolan wear in interviews. They also keep their hairstyles the same.
I think the problem with Inception, especially in regards to comparing it to 8 1/2, is that it wasn't searching for any of the deeper meanings or philosophies that other films have achieved. Let's say that it was a dream... how does it change anything? What does it say or comment on about mankind?
I think the problem with Inception, especially in regards to comparing it to 8 1/2, is that it wasn't searching for any of the deeper meanings or philosophies that other films have achieved. Let's say that it was a dream... how does it change anything? What does it say or comment on about mankind?
#355
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I enjoyed the heck out of the movie, and am under the impression that Cobb was still dreaming. I think his wife had it right, which makes the ending kind of bittersweet for me.
#356
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Just got back and loved it, I thought the first 20 minutes or so were pretty weak and I was worried the movie wouldnt live up to the praise but once it gets going it becomes an awesome ride all the way up the end. Just an awesome movie.
9/10
9/10
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Eh, I don't think CHUD is right. But then again, technically nobody is right (or wrong). It seems far more logical to me that he is either in reality, or everything from Cobb going to sleep in Mombassa threw the end is a dream. The correct answer is always the simplest.
#358
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For me, the end was reality. The top never wobbled in a dream. Great movie.
#359
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But the top becomes irrelevant to Cobb once you realize it's actually his wife's totem and not his. Recall how everyone was careful not to let someone else even touch their totem. IOW, the top is unreliable as a totem.
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#360
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I know that the top spin is interrupted in Mombassa, but can someone give me a compelling story reason as to why it becomes a dream at that moment and not before? It seems like a totally arbitrary point in the story to have it become all a dream afterwards.
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This is certainly not meant to offend anyone, but it does kind of amaze me that some viewers "need" to believe in the reality theory to reaffirm that their film-going experience was enjoyable.
It's interesting, once art is out there, and it touches you in some way, you do kind of feel an ownership to it, to that feeling it brought out in you.
And I've been there, the whole "the whole story was a dream, it didn't happen" and have always felt it was such a cheap way out of telling a real story.
Nolan here is expanding my viewpoints however, I think I prefer Inception to have been nothing but a dream and love it for it.
It's interesting, once art is out there, and it touches you in some way, you do kind of feel an ownership to it, to that feeling it brought out in you.
And I've been there, the whole "the whole story was a dream, it didn't happen" and have always felt it was such a cheap way out of telling a real story.
Nolan here is expanding my viewpoints however, I think I prefer Inception to have been nothing but a dream and love it for it.
#362
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I honestly don't see how Nolan is any better of a director than Michael Bay. I found the action to be blurry, full of cuts, and hard to follow. It was also hammer-over-the-head monotonous.
And the film as a whole seemed to be incomprehensible just for the sake of being incomprehensible. Really, I walked out of it feeling like I saw a remake of Matrix Reloaded.
And the film as a whole seemed to be incomprehensible just for the sake of being incomprehensible. Really, I walked out of it feeling like I saw a remake of Matrix Reloaded.
#363
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In what way was it incomprehensible? I don't understand the comments from people saying that it was confusing or hard to follow. Nolan lays everything out methodically, specifically so the audience doesn't get lost.
And ardathbey, I agree with you. A movie that takes place in the "real world" is still as a fictional as a dream or a movie about a dream. Perhaps it's the fact that a movie about a dream is a fiction about a fiction that turns people off to it. After reading that CHUD article, I'm definitely in favor of the whole film having been a dream.
And ardathbey, I agree with you. A movie that takes place in the "real world" is still as a fictional as a dream or a movie about a dream. Perhaps it's the fact that a movie about a dream is a fiction about a fiction that turns people off to it. After reading that CHUD article, I'm definitely in favor of the whole film having been a dream.
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I honestly don't see how Nolan is any better of a director than Michael Bay. I found the action to be blurry, full of cuts, and hard to follow. It was also hammer-over-the-head monotonous.
And the film as a whole seemed to be incomprehensible just for the sake of being incomprehensible. Really, I walked out of it feeling like I saw a remake of Matrix Reloaded.
And the film as a whole seemed to be incomprehensible just for the sake of being incomprehensible. Really, I walked out of it feeling like I saw a remake of Matrix Reloaded.
#366
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Yeah people saying it was hard to follow just confuse me... Its not as simple as most films and does make you think a bit, but in no way is it not a pretty straight forward movie, although does allow for different interpretations of it (one of the reasons I enjoyed it so much). Hell my wife slept for the first hour or so and still was pretty much able to follow it (my wife has a tendency to sleep in most movies so).
#367
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Agreed, it was very straight forward. I do agree that some of the action scenes were lackluster though (but the multi-layered effect was always cool). Unlike Bay, though, Nolan films generally have a relatively unique story told with excellent, sustained pacing and generally don't hold the audience's hand (though I would argue, Inception held the audiences hand more than it needed to.)
I just wish he'd cut out his use of numbers. Everytime he mentions numbers it annoys me after the fact (number of dead bodies in The Dark Knight, how long each layer lasts in Inception.)
I just wish he'd cut out his use of numbers. Everytime he mentions numbers it annoys me after the fact (number of dead bodies in The Dark Knight, how long each layer lasts in Inception.)
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#368
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This is certainly not meant to offend anyone, but it does kind of amaze me that some viewers "need" to believe in the reality theory to reaffirm that their film-going experience was enjoyable.
It's interesting, once art is out there, and it touches you in some way, you do kind of feel an ownership to it, to that feeling it brought out in you.
And I've been there, the whole "the whole story was a dream, it didn't happen" and have always felt it was such a cheap way out of telling a real story.
Nolan here is expanding my viewpoints however, I think I prefer Inception to have been nothing but a dream and love it for it.
It's interesting, once art is out there, and it touches you in some way, you do kind of feel an ownership to it, to that feeling it brought out in you.
And I've been there, the whole "the whole story was a dream, it didn't happen" and have always felt it was such a cheap way out of telling a real story.
Nolan here is expanding my viewpoints however, I think I prefer Inception to have been nothing but a dream and love it for it.
But if Inception was all a dream, partially a dream, or the ending was still a dream, I don't see how that devalues the film at all.
#369
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I have to agree with the others. The movie was pretty simple to follow, Nolan did a great job explaining things and the pacing of that information drip, it's the interpretation that is complex.
I agree. It's a great article and I want to agree with it 100%, but I'd like to see the movie again first.
I agree. It's a great article and I want to agree with it 100%, but I'd like to see the movie again first.
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Thanks for the link to the CHUD article, slop101.
Interesting read, though I'm not sure I agree with it completely.
I love that Inception can generate so many diverse theories and ideas, nearly all of which seem to have to some substance. To me, that's the mark of a well-made film.
Interesting read, though I'm not sure I agree with it completely.
I love that Inception can generate so many diverse theories and ideas, nearly all of which seem to have to some substance. To me, that's the mark of a well-made film.
#372
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It's one thing if you say a show or movie that has nothing to do with dreams was "only a dream". That's a huge cop out.
But everyone knew this movie was about dreams, so IMO the potential was always there for it to all be a dream.
But everyone knew this movie was about dreams, so IMO the potential was always there for it to all be a dream.
#373
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It's hard to make it not feel like a cop out with the "it's all a dream" finale, it did make Mulholland Drive stronger, though. And oddly enough, spoiling that isn't really a spoiler
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I may not have a compelling story to give you but the first thing that came to my mind is that he needed that drug to sleep, to get what he wanted. It has to be a dream from there on. He knew he could do it but it was the drug he needed to inception.
#375
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Now convoluted is The Matrix Reloaded and that Architect...don't get me started. I don't think the Wachowski's even knew the meaning of that stupidness.





















