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RocShemp 06-20-12 11:07 PM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by devilshalo (Post 11279144)
Spoiler:
As Capt. Stacy dies, he tells Peter (who has revealed himself as Spider-man to the Captain) to stay away from Gwen as his last wish. Knowing the danger he can bring to Gwen should someone find out. The last scenes are (from my viewing) Peter staying away from Gwen and she calls him out about it and figures out the her Dad is the one that told Peter to stay away.
Well that's not tear-inducing at all.
Spoiler:
Why would Peter even listen to the guy if he's such a dick? It's not like Peter would think him to have the best advice in the world. And with Gwen knowing Peter is Spidey, isn't she better off since she'd be more aware of potential dangers?

PhantomStranger 06-20-12 11:18 PM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by kgrogers1979 (Post 11279079)
The third movie could be the Clone Saga with Emma Stone playing both MJ and Gwen!!

Actually though, if they do kill off Gwen in the second movie, the third movie as the Clone Saga might not be a bad way to end the trilogy. (the original 1970s Clone Saga, not the horrid 1990s Clone Saga.)
I think the Internet would melt down if the movies ever tried introducing Ben Reilly into the story. They could save the franchise by revealing Andrew Garfield to be the clone, unveiling Tobey Maguire as the real Spider-Man all along.:lol:

Artman 06-20-12 11:26 PM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by dvdjunkie32 (Post 11279070)
I already hated the idea of a reboot. Raimi's Spiderman was just fine, the cast worked well, and those films were teasing the lizard already. So many great Spidey stories yet we have to endure another origin story.
It will likely take up even less time than the first one did...and we still get a villain, just as we would've otherwise. And if it was more than one everyone would be complaining about that as well.

I'd also categorize Raimi's films as "fine", but I'd rather have good or great ones.

resinrats 06-21-12 12:06 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Considering they already did a Goblin throwing Peter's girlfriend off a bridge scene. I wonder if they will change it in a future movie. You know there will be audience members pissed that the new movie just 'ripped off' a scene from the old movie.

kgrogers1979 06-21-12 02:46 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 11279591)
I think the Internet would melt down if the movies ever tried introducing Ben Reilly into the story. They could save the franchise by revealing Andrew Garfield to be the clone, unveiling Tobey Maguire as the real Spider-Man all along.:lol:
I did say the 1970s Clone Saga (i.e. the good Clone Saga) not the 1990s Clone Saga (i.e. the bad Clone Saga).



Originally Posted by resinrats (Post 11279633)
Considering they already did a Goblin throwing Peter's girlfriend off a bridge scene. I wonder if they will change it in a future movie. You know there will be audience members pissed that the new movie just 'ripped off' a scene from the old movie.
And they also already used the scene of Green Goblin being impaled by his own glider in the Raimi movie as well.

devilshalo 06-21-12 07:55 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 11279577)
Well that's not tear-inducing at all.
Spoiler:
Why would Peter even listen to the guy if he's such a dick? It's not like Peter would think him to have the best advice in the world. And with Gwen knowing Peter is Spidey, isn't she better off since she'd be more aware of potential dangers?
Spoiler:
Both Capt Stacy and Peter find a common ground when they go up to the top of the building to face the Lizard. Peter still has respect for him as he is Gwen's father. He's not so much a dick, but he doesn't condone a masked vigilante running around his town, much less making his cops look like fools. He almost is the one to give him the 'great power comes great responsibility' speech had Uncle Ben not given him a form of that earlier.

And then you go back to the first Spider-man where Tobey's Peter finds that he has to stay away from MJ because he could endanger the ones he loves. It's just that in TASM's case, Peter is trying to follow the wishes of him last words and Gwen figures it out because he out and out avoids her after the funeral. But she challenges him to break that vow.


:shrug:

RocShemp 06-21-12 08:16 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by devilshalo (Post 11279858)
Spoiler:
Both Capt Stacy and Peter find a common ground when they go up to the top of the building to face the Lizard. Peter still has respect for him as he is Gwen's father. He's not so much a dick, but he doesn't condone a masked vigilante running around his town, much less making his cops look like fools. He almost is the one to give him the 'great power comes great responsibility' speech had Uncle Ben not given him a form of that earlier.

And then you go back to the first Spider-man where Tobey's Peter finds that he has to stay away from MJ because he could endanger the ones he loves. It's just that in TASM's case, Peter is trying to follow the wishes of him last words and Gwen figures it out because he out and out avoids her after the funeral. But she challenges him to break that vow.


:shrug:
That's a little more reasonable but it ultimately makes no sense. However, that's more an issue with a comic book trope than the movies themselves.

Spoiler:
If a super hero's enemies found out who he is, they'd strike at his loved ones, regardless of wether he's around them or not. It's even worse in some comics where the hero hides the truth from his loved ones because "they won't be safe otherwise".

That's why I loved the Justice League story called Identity Crisis. Green Arrow sums it up when he says you put your family at risk the moment you put on the mask. And in that story you see that the League spouses are intentionally made aware of their being married to a super hero. Likewise, the parents of super heroes are aware of what they're kids are doing (wether they like it or not). This served as a protection for them, rather than keeping them in the dark.


In Spider-Man's case, it's silly for him to assume that
Spoiler:
Gwen would be safer if he keeps away from her. Unless the movie implies that Peter moves away. Only then could he reasonably keep his vow.

devilshalo 06-21-12 08:25 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 11279883)
In Spider-Man's case, it's silly for him to assume that
Spoiler:
Gwen would be safer if he keeps away from her. Unless the movie implies that Peter moves away. Only then could he reasonably keep his vow.
Spoiler:
And Peter doesn't realize that behind the scenes at OsCorp, some people (other than Connors) already know he is who he is and are monitoring him. This is seen in the trailer (and in early versions of the script there is dialog with Van Adder and someone offscreen).

RocShemp 06-21-12 08:49 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by devilshalo (Post 11279894)
Spoiler:
And Peter doesn't realize that behind the scenes at OsCorp, some people (other than Connors) already know he is who he is and are monitoring him. This is seen in the trailer (and in early versions of the script there is dialog with Van Adder and someone offscreen).
Well I guess it would play into the new subplot that
Spoiler:
Peter is partially a guinea pig for his dad's experiments.

Did that get a lot of screentime or was it mostly peripheral?

d2cheer 06-21-12 08:56 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Another site claims that this movie is tracking for about 125 million for 3-8th July. I would be stunned if it actually makes that much even though it is spread over 6 days...

kgrogers1979 06-21-12 09:13 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 11279883)
Spoiler:
That's why I loved the Justice League story called Identity Crisis.
:banned:

RocShemp 06-21-12 09:35 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by kgrogers1979 (Post 11279939)
:banned:
What didn't you like about it? It was a very solid murder mystery.

kgrogers1979 06-21-12 09:41 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 11279960)
What didn't you like about it? It was a very solid murder mystery.
Deathstroke beating the whole Justice League was just ridiculous and the rape was unnecessary.

Deftones 06-21-12 09:46 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
So nobody really has any interest in this, do they? :lol:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/242...track-for-125m

Though it's arguably the least anticipated of the three big superhero films of this Summer, that doesn't mean "The Amazing Spider-Man" won't make a small fortune in its own right.

The Hollywood Reporter says that early tracking figures indicate the superhero reboot is tracking to earn $125 million in its first six days from Tuesday July 3rd through to Sunday July 8th. The figures would make it easily the best performing film of the Summer outside of "The Avengers", and are on par with that of the first "Iron Man" film.

Comparatively in their first six days of release the first "Spider-Man" earned $144M, "Spider-Man 2" took $180M, "Spider-Man 3" scored $176M. In comparison with other superhero movies, "X-Men First Class" scored $70M, "Batman Begins" took $80M, "Thor" took $81M, "Iron Man" scored $121M, "Iron Man 2" got $153M, "The Dark Knight" raked in $222M, and "The Avengers" scored $258M.

The film is tracking strongly with males of all ages, but is also performing well with young females due to its young stars Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone.

The figures come following a half-dozen early print reviews from the UK (now up on Rotten Tomatoes) which paint a generally positive reaction. Time Out claims "We're never far from romance or laughs, and at times 'The Amazing Spider-Man' feels like a romcom upgraded to include 3D and industrial cobwebs", while The Guardian says "Webb successfully treads a fine line between keeping the hardcore superhero-movie fans happy and injecting a dose of meaningful affect."

d2cheer 06-21-12 09:59 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by Deftones (Post 11279970)
So nobody really has any interest in this, do they? :lol:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/242...track-for-125m
Followed by a 75% drop the following week... -wink-

islandclaws 06-21-12 10:07 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
and at times 'The Amazing Spider-Man' feels like a romcom upgraded to include 3D and industrial cobwebs
I'm sure I'll end up seeing this, but, man, that sentence could not sound less appealing.

Solid Snake 06-21-12 10:40 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
I think too many people dislike a spidey reboot in general so they've some stake in this. While I don't really agree w/ a reboot, I'll go w/ it and hope it's good.

RocShemp 06-21-12 11:26 AM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by kgrogers1979 (Post 11279965)
Deathstroke beating the whole Justice League was just ridiculous and the rape was unnecessary.
He didn't really beat them. he just held them back to allow Dr. Light the chance he needed to escape. And the rape served to place the Leaguers in a situation where they felt compelled to do something they'd promised themselves they'd never do again. None of it felt gratuitous (as it easily could have).

PhantomStranger 06-21-12 01:10 PM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Spidey is a license to print money at the box office, which is why Marvel is never ever getting him back for their movie universe. It's not like Raimi's movies were masterpieces and those blew through all expectations, including the putrid third one. I could see this movie doing great business, though not on the level of Avengers or Dark Knight.

Mike86 06-21-12 01:18 PM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Yeah I don't think the movie doing well financially was ever really in question. I think more people were concerned over how the quality of the film itself and why Sony felt the need for a reboot, but Spider-Man is a pretty popular character so no doubt the movie will make money.

Deftones 06-21-12 02:48 PM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 11280301)
Yeah I don't think the movie doing well financially was ever really in question. I think more people were concerned over how the quality of the film itself and why Sony felt the need for a reboot, but Spider-Man is a pretty popular character so no doubt the movie will make money.
go back and re-read this thread. many people claimed the movie would be a box office flop.

Nick Martin 06-21-12 03:48 PM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Positive review, courtesy The Hollywood Reporter:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/rev...-review-340662

Solid Snake 06-21-12 04:01 PM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
seems like the 3D was pointless. Wonder what others thought as well.

Nick Martin 06-21-12 04:02 PM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11280503)
seems like the 3D was pointless. Wonder what others thought as well.
When I see that, what that tells me is the film doesn't need it as a crutch. It's good enough without it.

Mike86 06-21-12 04:08 PM
Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Originally Posted by Deftones (Post 11280424)
go back and re-read this thread. many people claimed the movie would be a box office flop.
Yeah, I think most people were just talking out of their asses though for the most part because they didn't/don't like the idea that this is a reboot. I still kind of wonder how it will do in comparison to the Raimi movies though.


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