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Old 07-28-10 | 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
TRANSFORMERS 3 HAS A COOL OPENING... AND WE KNOW WHAT IT IS

Spoiler:

There's a disturbance on the Moon. A robot shaped disturbance. Scientists on Earth see this and the information gets passed up the chain of command. In the White House men in black suits are breathlessly running through the halls, and they burst into the Oval Office. The president is behind the desk, back turned to the door, looking out the window. One of the men tells the president, 'Sir, something's happened on the Moon!' The president turns around.

It's John F. Kennedy.

Yes, the opening scene of Transformers 3 takes place in 1961 or 1962. The gist of the story has to do with the Transformers' involvement in the space race, and this is the reason why JFK was so hot to make sure America was first to the Moon. It sounds like a fun direction; there are a lot of stupid conspiracy theories about Neil Armstrong et al meeting ETs on the Moon, and this is a fun way to play with them. I hear this was Spielberg's idea, and it really does sound like something he'd come up with. If you're like me and you like the Spielberg-influenced Transformers but hate the mostly Spielberg-free Transformers 2, this is all good news.

thats a pretty sweet idea. Much better then the opening of T2. I loved the first transformers but the second was fun when I seen it the first time in theaters, just didnt hold up much when watching it on Bluray besides some cool action scenes. I still think its a decent action flick but i really thought the first one was just plain awesome. There were so many just cool shots and cool moments that the second one was just lacking.
Old 07-28-10 | 02:23 AM
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Yeah, the second film is really just a good action-centric companion to the first but not too good as its own movie. However, the second movie is much better paced than the first. The first movie really lags after all the Autobots are introduced and until Bumblebee is captured. The second movie has a nice momentum going.

Wow, I can't believe I actually had something positive to say about the second movie beyond "cool action"!
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^ And the action in it really isn't all that great. Just chaotic.
Old 07-28-10 | 07:19 AM
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Yeah, the second film is really just a good action-centric companion to the first but not too good as its own movie. However, the second movie is much better paced than the first. The first movie really lags after all the Autobots are introduced and until Bumblebee is captured. The second movie has a nice momentum going.

Wow, I can't believe I actually had something positive to say about the second movie beyond "cool action"!
I finally rented Transformers 2 from Netflix a couple weeks ago. I got 45 minutes in before I put the disc back in the Netflix envelope and sent it on its way. Dreadful. I don't know why I keep following this series and gave Bay a second chance. I guess it's like driving by a horrific accident, you can't help but take a quick glance at the horrible mess you are witnessing.
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I finally rented Transformers 2 from Netflix a couple weeks ago. I got 45 minutes in before I put the disc back in the Netflix envelope and sent it on its way. Dreadful. I don't know why I keep following this series and gave Bay a second chance. I guess it's like driving by a horrific accident, you can't help but take a quick glance at the horrible mess you are witnessing.
Two points. First, only 45 minutes in means you didn't make it to Optimus Prime's forest battle with the Decepticons. A shame, because that's probably the most exciting scene in either of the two movies.

Secondly, at the risk of being a Bay apologist, because of the writers' strike and Paramount/DreamWorks insisting on honoring their scheduled release date, there really wasn't enough time to put together quality work. In fact, the bonus features make it clear that some special effects shots were still being finished on the day of the premiere! It's likely Bay might have made the same exact movie with more time, but it's also unlikely very many other directors could have executed on that large a scale with such little time. Not that Kubrick would have gone near Transformers in the first place, but can you imagine a director of his diligence completing that massive a shoot under those circumstances?
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So I snuck onto the set of Transformers 3 (56 HQ photos)

Well, I didn't. The author of the article did.
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that's pretty awesome
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I hate to admit it but I'm actually looking forward to this one. And it being shot in 3D is good thing because machine gun edits don't work in 3D. Which means that Bay will be forced to use the more relaxed editing style that he did for The Island and the forest battle scene in Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen.

Even if you choose to simply see this in 2D, it's still a positive change.
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So are only select scenes being filmed in 3D? All the on set images posted above have 35mm cameras in them, but no 3D cameras in sight...
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So are only select scenes being filmed in 3D? All the on set images posted above have 35mm cameras in them, but no 3D cameras in sight...
From what I've read, not all the scenes will be shot in 3D. Hopefully this means that the 3D will be used as a highlight (though nowhere near as minute as the IMAX shots in TF2) a'la TDK. I also hope this means that the 35mm footage won't be converted to 3D but left as-is.
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(though nowhere near as minute as the IMAX shots in TF2) a'la TDK.
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Bad grammar on my part. Basically, I hope 3D in this movie is used similarly to the way IMAX was used in TDK (for establishing shots and entire key sequences) rather than how sparingly it was used in TF2.
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
Bad grammar on my part. Basically, I hope 3D in this movie is used similarly to the way IMAX was used in TDK (for establishing shots and entire key sequences) rather than how sparingly it was used in TF2.
Ok, that's what I thought you meant, but I wasn't sure.
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Originally Posted by fl0w
Kinda expected, but here's the real confirmation:



So now we got Megatron, Soundwave and Shockwave so far confirmed as the decepticons present in the Chicago battle which takes places near the end of the movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MqGHJSZ3rk

Another good behind the scenes video in High Quality from a local news station. Some new footage, some old. Most notable is the scene where a trooper swings over to a big blue thing. Seems like he landed on a Decepticon or something since he got fried ^^
Here's hoping he doesn't have a gimpy arm like in the last movie.
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Two points. First, only 45 minutes in means you didn't make it to Optimus Prime's forest battle with the Decepticons. A shame, because that's probably the most exciting scene in either of the two movies.
That's a fair stance to take (I rarely quit on movies like that), but I posit that any solid drama on television provides more entertainment in that same amount of time. Why should a moviegoer have to sit through 45 minutes of shit to get to something good?

As for the second part about the movie being rushed, writers strike, excuses etc. Who cares? Why rush it if you know it's garbage? Sit out the strike and come up with something better later. I know this is a silly argument to make for a film that rakes in hundreds of millions, but those dollars will still be there 6-12 more months down the road.
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As for the second part about the movie being rushed, writers strike, excuses etc. Who cares? Why rush it if you know it's garbage? Sit out the strike and come up with something better later. I know this is a silly argument to make for a film that rakes in hundreds of millions, but those dollars will still be there 6-12 more months down the road.
Because release dates are setup in advance and it takes a lot of juggling to change that. Also, some actors don't get paid to appear in a movie. They get paid to set time aside in their schedule.

Say you're an actor. I pay you $5K for the months of June and July. If my movie gets delayed, there are other projects you signed on for and you have to go do them. I just lost $5K. Sure there are clauses to get you back but, guess what. Lots of key crew personnel use similar pay-or-play contracts. It all adds up.

In an ideal world, there's more than enough time to iron out all the kinks. Unless you're footing the bill yourself with little concern over how much money you'll make from ticket sales and tie-ins, there isn't any such time.
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
That's a fair stance to take (I rarely quit on movies like that), but I posit that any solid drama on television provides more entertainment in that same amount of time. Why should a moviegoer have to sit through 45 minutes of shit to get to something good?
No argument here!

As for the second part about the movie being rushed, writers strike, excuses etc. Who cares? Why rush it if you know it's garbage? Sit out the strike and come up with something better later. I know this is a silly argument to make for a film that rakes in hundreds of millions, but those dollars will still be there 6-12 more months down the road.
You make a good case, but I would counter that it is more fairly leveled against Paramount and DreamWorks--who set the release date--than against Bay, who was charged with delivering the film on time. I know it flies in the face the almighty auteur theory, but often a director's job is to execute the filming of a script. His breakneck shooting pace is credited with getting that done, though costing us what could have been Megan Fox's Oscar-winning performance.
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
In an ideal world, there's more than enough time to iron out all the kinks. Unless you're footing the bill yourself with little concern over how much money you'll make from ticket sales and tie-ins, there isn't any such time.
Revenge of the Fallen didn't have just a few kinks that needed to be worked out, the entire script and story would have needed to be overhauled to make it a decent movie. Visually it was great, Michael Bay is very talented at framing and composition, but story wise, it's disgusting. The movie is essentially a polished turd, hopefully the third film will be decent.
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Kinda stoked the Pat Dempsey is in this for some reason.
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Revenge of the Fallen didn't have just a few kinks that needed to be worked out, the entire script and story would have needed to be overhauled to make it a decent movie. Visually it was great, Michael Bay is very talented at framing and composition, but story wise, it's disgusting. The movie is essentially a polished turd, hopefully the third film will be decent.
I never said there were a few.

But, yes, the script had deep flaws. And the writers making crap up on the fly did not help at all. Kind of like how they admitted to pulling the "only a Prime can defeat me" BS from their ass but were delusional enough to think it was a brilliant fix for the fact that the titular villain barely appears in the movie.
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Because release dates are setup in advance and it takes a lot of juggling to change that. Also, some actors don't get paid to appear in a movie. They get paid to set time aside in their schedule.
So then the onus is on the studio (like MinLShaw pointed out) for setting the release date before having a script. Plus we're talking about Shia LaBeuf, Megan Fox and 98% CGI. How busy could their schedules possibly be? As part 3 has proven with Fox, the human characters are completely dispensable. People are there for the robots.

In the end, they proved that it doesn't matter though, turd or not the movies will pull in hundreds of millions.

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This is odd: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2358643/

Then again, IMDB has Rosie Whatshername still listed as Mikaela so it could just be a screwup.

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
So then the onus is on the studio (like MinLShaw pointed out) for setting the release date before having a script. Plus we're talking about Shia LaBeuf, Megan Fox and 98% CGI. How busy could their schedules possibly be? As part 3 has proven with Fox, the human characters are completely dispensable. People are there for the robots.

In the end, they proved that it doesn't matter though, turd or not the movies will pull in hundreds of millions.
Yes to all your points.
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
So then the onus is on the studio (like MinLShaw pointed out) for setting the release date before having a script. Plus we're talking about Shia LaBeuf, Megan Fox and 98% CGI. How busy could their schedules possibly be? As part 3 has proven with Fox, the human characters are completely dispensable. People are there for the robots.

In the end, they proved that it doesn't matter though, turd or not the movies will pull in hundreds of millions.
The CGI is pretty demanding. Remember, there are only a handful of digital studios out there doing all the work for all the movies. It's commonplace now for a major movie to farm out different aspects to different studios; ILM and Digital Domain, despite being competitors, are frequently contributors to the same film these days just to ensure completion.

As films become increasingly animated digitally, scheduling becomes increasingly important. If you can't get shot footage turned in on time, you risk being bumped for another film that can. And ultimately, that adds even more pressure to set a release date and shoot quickly than any given actor's schedule.

This isn't anything new; we've seen it time and again with shooting at larger studios. Remember how in-demand the 007 Stage at Pinewood gets for the blockbuster releases? There are only so many places large enough to accommodate the increasing scale of these kinds of tentpole movies. Same goes for the digital labs that finish the work.


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