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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by CloverClover
(Post 9743340)
I agree, it has become a circus, now the mob is going on imdb and trashing every director who supported him and every actor who worked with him. I don't remember so much rioting even when the pianist came out, and when oliver twist came out, no one even talked about it. Something changed in the last five years in America to get this kind of sudden outcry... I think America is looking for scapegoats the last few months, with the economy and divided political realm, and peoples rage about corruption, and those in high places getting unpunished. There is also america's fear of sexual corruption which has gotten worse with things like craig hanson and the catholic molestors who were let off the hook. I think this was the worst time for him to be caught and face the wrath of america
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by CloverClover
(Post 9743340)
I agree, it has become a circus, now the mob is going on imdb and trashing every director who supported him and every actor who worked with him. I don't remember so much rioting even when the pianist came out, and when oliver twist came out, no one even talked about it. Something changed in the last five years in America to get this kind of sudden outcry... I think America is looking for scapegoats the last few months, with the economy and divided political realm, and peoples rage about corruption, and those in high places getting unpunished. There is also america's fear of sexual corruption which has gotten worse with things like craig hanson and the catholic molestors who were let off the hook. I think this was the worst time for him to be caught and face the wrath of america
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by CloverClover
(Post 9743340)
I agree, it has become a circus, now the mob is going on imdb and trashing every director who supported him and every actor who worked with him. I don't remember so much rioting even when the pianist came out, and when oliver twist came out, no one even talked about it. Something changed in the last five years in America to get this kind of sudden outcry... I think America is looking for scapegoats the last few months, with the economy and divided political realm, and peoples rage about corruption, and those in high places getting unpunished. There is also america's fear of sexual corruption which has gotten worse with things like craig hanson and the catholic molestors who were let off the hook. I think this was the worst time for him to be caught and face the wrath of america
It could be because most people didn't know much about it until now. I didn't know a thing about it until around the time The Pianist was showing and that knowledge was simply "sex with a minor." Critics don't write "alleged child rapist, and fugitive from justice, Roman Polanski" in every review. He doesn't live here, and has never visited in 30 years, so he's not exactly going to be in the usual Hollywood news/gossip. He's basically been out of sight, out of mind whenever he doesn't have something coming out, and people who enjoy his movies don't exactly bring it up each time a new one is released. Look at the way some of them are behaving now, for goodness sakes. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by eXcentris
(Post 9742754)
People waited 30+ years for Polanski to get arrested before waking up and expressing their outrage. The so-called trivialization of a 13 y/o being raped is a result of the US justice sytem making a circus and fucking up almost every high profile celebrity trial they handle. Why aren't people pissed at them and at law enforcement for messing up and doing virtually nothing for 30+ years?
More circus nonsense... In 1997, shortly after Geimer publicly forgave Polanski, an LA judge decided that if Polanski returned to the U.S., he would serve no more time in custody, on one condition: the proceedings would be televised. Polanski declined. On the other hand, it took Polanski finally getting arrested for the spotlight to be shone on a bunch of people who feel he doesn't deserve punishment or that what he did wasn't all that bad. THAT's what's got people outraged. We see people get away with evil shit all the time and we can accept it as a weakness of the system. On the other hand, it's not every day you have a bunch of famous people saying and/or acting like the rape of a 13-year-old wasn't that big of a deal. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by NoirFan
(Post 9734899)
I wonder if this will affect the release of The Ghost next year.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
(Post 9740526)
Salon.com's Kate Harding has one of the better commentaries on this story. It's long, so I'll provide only an excerpt below. But you can read the whole thing here.
Excerpt: Reminder: Roman Polanski raped a child So given that all other charges were dropped so the only charge against Polanski is "sex with a minor" which is therefore only a violation of California's age of consent law and then looking at the age of consent in Europe: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...of_Consent.png The age of consent is 15 y.o. or lower in most European countries and, even then, it's not considered nearly as much of a crime as it is here in the U.S. So it's not hard to understand why so many Europeans support Polanski and see this whole thing as prudish American puritans on a witch-hunt. This is a good article on this "puritanical" issue: The Daily Beast: How Young Is Too Young? |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9745413)
The age of consent is 15 y.o. or lower in most European countries and, even then, it's not considered nearly as much of a crime as it is here in the U.S. So it's not hard to understand why so many Europeans support Polanski and see this whole thing as prudish American puritans on a witch-hunt.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9745413)
This is a good article on this "puritanical" issue: The Daily Beast: How Young Is Too Young?
But that article says it's "perfectly legal." Hey, maybe I'm wrong, and it is 13 (I gotta say, I teach 13-year olds, and that is just plain disgusting, IMO). But don't just accept everything you read as fact. This writer provides no sources for his information, and just expects us to accept his credentials as a former college professor as evidence that his information is correct. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by RyoHazuki
(Post 9745439)
It's pretty hard to understand considering he drugged her and raped her while she was asking him to stop. It's not about "how young is too young" at all.
Rape charges: dropped This is the legal system I'm talking about, which is the only thing that matters for this case. It doesn't matter that he actually did those things, legally speaking, because the charges were dropped a long time ago. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Yeah but...he committed the crime. Which isn't cool. Do the crime, do the time. No?
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by Cheato
(Post 9745836)
So that's a "good" article? It says the age of consent in Japan is 13. Sorry, but it's 20. There was just a story/scandal here of a 24-year old guy who got his 16-year old girl pregnant and was arrested.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC
(Post 9745886)
Yeah but...he committed the crime. Which isn't cool. Do the crime, do the time. No?
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by Cheato
(Post 9745836)
So that's a "good" article? It says the age of consent in Japan is 13. Sorry, but it's 20. There was just a story/scandal here of a 24-year old guy who got his 16-year old girl pregnant and was arrested.
But that article says it's "perfectly legal." Hey, maybe I'm wrong, and it is 13 (I gotta say, I teach 13-year olds, and that is just plain disgusting, IMO). But don't just accept everything you read as fact. This writer provides no sources for his information, and just expects us to accept his credentials as a former college professor as evidence that his information is correct. The only one he gets correct is Spain, the land of pedo/hebephiles. *edit. Just checked and it appears that South Korea changed their Age of Consent law to 13 in 2001. When I was in South Korea, the age was 19. This still does not change the fact that at the time Polanski thought it would be cool to ass rape a 13 year old, it was still below the age of consent in South Korea. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
No special treatment for polanski:
http://www.reuters.com/article/peopl...5907H220091001 LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger said on Thursday that movie director Roman Polanski should be treated like anyone else if he came to the United States to face sentencing for having unlawful sex with a 13-year-old girl in 1977. Asked if he would consider pardoning Polanski, the actor-turned-governor told CNN: "I would not treat his situation any differently than everyone else's." Schwarzenegger would have the authority as California governor to grant Polanski a pardon, if asked, once the "Chinatown" director is extradited from Switzerland where he was arrested this weekend on a U.S. warrant. Polanski, who has dual French and Polish nationality, fled the United States in 1978 after pleading guilty in a California court to unlawful sex with a minor. He served 42 days in a prison, but left the country when he believed a judge would sentence him to years behind bars despite having made a plea agreement for time already served. His lawyers have said he will fight extradition. Schwarzenegger, the former "Terminator" action star who swapped Hollywood movie-making for politics in 2003, said he admired Polanski's work. He told CNN's Wolf Blitzer in an interview; "It doesn't matter if you are a big-time movie actor or a big-time movie director or producer. I think that he is a very respected person, and I am a big admirer of his work. "But nevertheless, I think he should be treated like everyone else. And one should look into all of the allegations, not only his allegations but the allegations about his case. Was there something done wrong? You know, was injustice done in the case?" Lawyers for Polanski sought and failed earlier this year to have the case against him dismissed because of alleged judicial misconduct in 1977. A Los Angeles judge ruled that Polanski would first have to return to California before he would consider a dismissal of the 1977 charges. The arrest of Polanski, who won an Oscar for his 2002 movie "The Pianist", caused a furor in France but industry reaction in Hollywood has been much quieter. (Reporting by Jill Serjeant; editing by Bob Tourtellotte and Mohammad Zargham) |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by crazyronin
(Post 9745893)
Actually the National AOC in Japan is 13, although it is superseded by Prefecture law which usually is about 17 to 18. The age of majority for voting is 20. The author of that craptacular also gets the AOC of S. Korea wrong. The AOC of S. Korea is 19 (age is measured differently in SK. A person is considered 1 year old 100 days after being born.)
The only one he gets correct is Spain, the land of pedo/hebephiles. *edit. Just checked and it appears that South Korea changed their Age of Consent law to 13 in 2001. When I was in South Korea, the age was 19. This still does not change the fact that at the time Polanski thought it would be cool to ass rape a 13 year old, it was still below the age of consent in South Korea. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9745413)
Another Reminder: all charges, including rape, were dropped except for "unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor" (which he plead guilty to). Like it or not, Polanski is NOT charged with rape (I don't think California even calls "sex with a minor" by the common name of "statutory rape").
So given that all other charges were dropped so the only charge against Polanski is "sex with a minor" which is therefore only a violation of California's age of consent law and then looking at the age of consent in Europe: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...of_Consent.png The age of consent is 15 y.o. or lower in most European countries and, even then, it's not considered nearly as much of a crime as it is here in the U.S. So it's not hard to understand why so many Europeans support Polanski and see this whole thing as prudish American puritans on a witch-hunt. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9745892)
Like when O.J. Simpson murdered?
Roman ran to Europe...like a...13yo girl. :lol: |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9745413)
So given that all other charges were dropped so the only charge against Polanski is "sex with a minor" which is therefore only a violation of California's age of consent law and then looking at the age of consent in Europe:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...of_Consent.png The age of consent is 15 y.o. or lower in most European countries and, even then, it's not considered nearly as much of a crime as it is here in the U.S. So it's not hard to understand why so many Europeans support Polanski and see this whole thing as prudish American puritans on a witch-hunt. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by superdeluxe
(Post 9746013)
Uhh, I think she was drugged and said NO, So even if she met the age of consent in some random European country, she still said no. Not sure what your point here is.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9746082)
This is a legal case. You have to be CHARGED with rape to go to jail for rape. The rape charges were DROPPED against Polanski, so he cannot go to jail for rape. The ONLY charge against him is a violation of the age of consent of the state of California. (Call it "statutory rape" if you want, but it's not considered "rape" by the law. Or, as Whoopi tries to say it, it's not "rape rape" but is legally considered a lesser crime.)
Will you stop making stuff up please? SINCE YOU LIKE CAPS- THE CHARGES WERE NEVER DROPPED - THERE WAS MERELY A PLEA RECOMMENDATION TO DROP THEM which was never legally acted upon because Polanski was too busy evading capture. The judge is under no compulsion to accept a plea RECOMMENDATION (which is in part why Polanski decided to go fugitive) and as such I'm not sure why you keep thinking the charges were dropped. Not sure why you are both defending this asshole and making stuff up in order to defend him - point me to a single legal document where the charges were dropped (you won't find one). |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by Giantrobo
(Post 9745916)
Good point. But at least Murderin' OJ was man enough to stay in the country and go to trial. Sure he did the White Bronco chase, but he never headed to the Airport.
Roman ran to Europe...like a...13yo girl. :lol: As Samantha Geimer said about Polanski fleeing: "Who wouldn't think about running when facing a 50-year sentence from a judge who was clearly more interested in his own reputation than a fair judgment or even the well-being of the victim?" Read her 2003 op-ed piece here |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by wirefan
(Post 9746096)
you are utterly wrong there was a plea bargain agreement to drop the charges between the plaintiffs and defense - this plea bargain was never formally acted upon by a judge which is what it takes for the plea bargain to be accepted and the terms of the plea bargain to be enforced.
The judge approved the plea bargain agreement but then went back on his word. There's a reason why both the D.A. and defense filed a join resolution to have the judge removed from the case (which was successful and he was removed, but Polanski had fled by then). A better judge not obsessed with being a celebrity back then and Polanski wouldn't have fled and this case would've been closed back in 1978. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
A better judge would've never accepted such a laughable plea deal to begin with, so your argument is baseless.
Besides, it's my understanding that the judge is legally able to abandon a plea deal up to the last minute. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9746136)
The judge approved the plea bargain agreement but then went back on his word. There's a reason why both the D.A. and defense filed a join resolution to have the judge removed from the case (which was successful and he was removed, but Polanski had fled by then). A better judge not obsessed with being a celebrity back then and Polanski wouldn't have fled and this case would've been closed back in 1978.
Drugged charges: dropped Rape charges: dropped You may not like the the judge changing his mind before the plea was made official, but that doesn't change the fact that the plea from a legal perspective was never formally completed. So all charges remain potentially open and Polanski is free to go argue any and all of them...and you are free to make apologies for a child rapist. And Bjacks is correct - that's why the plea between a prosecutor and the defense is merely an agreement and merely a recommendation to the judge (in fact the word "recommendation" is used when the plea is presented to the judge). More often than not the judge goes along, but he/she is not required to. Polanski fleeing resulted in the judge never formally LEGALLY acting on the plea (and it is irrelevant whether he was going to change his mind or not)... the plea was made invalid once Polanski fled the jurisdiction. Hate to break it to you, but all charges are possible - the defense can argue judicial misconduct and mitigating circumstances all they want, but the charges are open if the prosecution wishes to pursue any or all of them.... so all of your opinions that from a 'legal' perspective he can't be charge with rape is wrong... Had the plea been officially entered and agreed to by the judge then you would be right(and I'm not talking about his "word" in that self serving quote you provided, I'm talking about the only way a plea is made official - it being legally recorded on the record in a courtroom) |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9745413)
The age of consent is 15 y.o. or lower in most European countries and, even then, it's not considered nearly as much of a crime as it is here in the U.S.
And Polanski lived in and committed the crime in California. The laws in Europe are irrelevant. But again, age of consent is only part of the equation. Regardless of age, Polanski had sex with her against her will. Rationalize his behavior however you want, but he raped her. No matter what or how many charges are remaining, Polanski needs to face up to them. |
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