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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Okay, let me say that before watching the documentary "Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired," I only thought Polanski had done what he was charged with, unlawful sex with a minor. I didn't know any of the details whatsoever as most press releases about Polanski up to this point only mentioned that he was charged with said crime in the late 70s and fled the country. They never mentioned stuff about the qualudes or stuff that actually constitutes rape in most eyes.
That said, I cannot say I support him being free to go in America, but I also think that the wishes of the victim should be honored because she is the victim in all of this, not him. If she wants this behind her and forgotten, do so, don't drag it out into something that will just make the legal system look more inept than it already is at this point. Let's take a look at the track record for celebrities on trial. O.J. Simpson- Not Guilty, despite DNA evidence saying there was about a one in a million chance he didn't do it. Robert Blake- almost everything points to him killing his wife, yet he walks Michael Jackson- I really don't think I need to even start here. Let's look at what they have against Polanski if they re-instate the only charge: -Unlawful sex with a minor (all of the other horrific acts were plea bargained away) -A victim who sounds unwilling to testify or have anything to do with the case -A trail of judicial misconduct and botched legal proceedings Given the fact that Polanski will most likely get a great legal team if brought back, how long do you think it will take for them to make mince meat out of this? Again, I'm not saying I'm against him being punished for what he did, but I think this should be looked at from a legal standpoint and not a moral one. |
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ABC News has posted an article recapping the events. Here's some excerpts:
Polanski took pictures of Geimer at someone else's residence before they drove to Jack Nicholson's home. There, events took a darker turn, as Geimer said Polanski loaded her with champagne, then asked her to pose topless again. "We did photos with me drinking champagne," Geimer later told "GMA." "He was friendly and then right toward the end it got a little scary, and I realized, you know, he had some other intentions, and then I knew I was not where I should be. I just didn't quite know how to get myself out of there." Geimer said the other intentions became clear after Polanski offered her part of a Quaalude, which she took, then asked her to get into a Jacuzzi without her underwear. He took pictures of her in the Jacuzzi naked, before taking off his clothes and joining her in the water, she said. Geimer said she grew uncomfortable when he grabbed her around the waist and started to move her hips around. When she hopped out of the Jacuzzi and retreated to the bathroom, she said, Polanski followed her there and she told him she wanted to go home. "Yeah, I'll take you home soon," he said, according to her testimony. "No, I have to go home now," Geimer said she told him. Geimer testified that Polanski persuaded her to go to the bedroom and lie down. Geimer went, she said, but she sat on the couch in the bedroom. She described Polanski sitting next to her and reaching over to kiss her. Geimer said she told him, "No, keep away" and "Come on, let's go home." He ignored her, she testified, then "went down and he started performing cuddliness (sic)." When the district attorney asked Geimer what "cuddliness" meant, she clarified, "he placed his mouth on my vagina." "I was ready to cry," she said. "I was going, 'No. Come on. Stop it.'" Instead, a few minutes later, Geimer said, Polanski began having intercourse with her, while asking her if she was on the pill and when her last period was. She testified that he then asked, "Would you like me to go in through your back?" Then, he started performing anal sex on her. At one point, Geimer said, there was a knock on the door. The Los Angeles Times reported that the woman was actress Anjelica Huston, Nicholson's girlfriend at the time, but Geimer testified that she did not know who the woman was who was in the house. According to Geimer, the woman who knocked on the door said, "Roman, are you in there?" Polanski went to the door and opened it a crack to speak to the woman. Meanwhile, Geimer testified, she put her underwear back on and started toward the door. When asked why she didn't say anything to the woman, Geimer said, "I was still pretty much afraid of him (Polanski)." She added that he was her only way home. Geimer testified that Polanski closed the door before she could reach it, took off her panties and began intercourse again. When he finally let up, she said, she went to the bathroom and put on her dress again. On her way outside to the car to wait for Polanski, she said, she again saw the woman in the house, spoke with her, but didn't tell her what had just happened. Geimer said she began to cry in the car, and Polanski got in about 10 minutes later and drove her home. http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...ory?id=8705958 |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
(Post 9741645)
That said, I cannot say I support him being free to go in America, but I also think that the wishes of the victim should be honored because she is the victim in all of this, not him. If she wants this behind her and forgotten, do so, don't drag it out into something that will just make the legal system look more inept than it already is at this point. Let's take a look at the track record for celebrities on trial.
If a grown woman is brutally beaten by her boyfriend or husband, but "he really does love her" and does not want anything to happen to him, prosecutors shouldn't try to prosecute him? The legal system should not be based entirely on the victims feelings, it should be based on the law. |
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Originally Posted by collector_cliff
(Post 9741873)
So if a parent or adult was to molest or rape a child and the child does not want anything to be done we should listen and not press charges?
If a grown woman is brutally beaten by her boyfriend or husband, but "he really does love her" and does not want anything to happen to him, prosecutors shouldn't try to prosecute him? The legal system should not be based entirely on the victims feelings, it should be based on the law. |
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I'm really disappointed in all the famous people coming out to demand Polanski's release. At least the one film person I admire most, Werner Herzog, has apparently not added his name to the list.
This isn't about forgiveness, which I am all for, but unless these people regularly write letters asking for clemency for people who drug and rape children, it's obviously about Polanski's 'special status' because he is one of the elites of society. If the child was the famous star, and the rapist was a person with a brief modeling career, I wonder how many of these same people would be calling arrest an outrage and writing open letters about it? |
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I totally am about separating art from the artist. I'd pee in Woody Allen's Ovaltine when he wasn't looking, but be first in line for his next movie. I'd punch Mel Gibson in the throat if I ever came face to face with him, but then I'd hand him 10 bucks for Apocalypto 2: The Clone and the Magic Taco.
Polanski needs to answer for his crimes. He's a total scumbag who drugged and raped a child, a beyond-despicable act no matter how thin you slice it. But I'll still gladly fork over the $$$ when I can get Chinatown and Rosemary's Baby on Blu-Ray, and wax poetic about Repulsion to anyone who'll listen. Which lately, is nobody, because apparently I'm a pushy loudmouth who always sticks his nose into everybody's business. I hope you're reading THIS, Marie. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by collector_cliff
(Post 9741873)
So if a parent or adult was to molest or rape a child and the child does not want anything to be done we should listen and not press charges?
If a grown woman is brutally beaten by her boyfriend or husband, but "he really does love her" and does not want anything to happen to him, prosecutors shouldn't try to prosecute him? The legal system should not be based entirely on the victims feelings, it should be based on the law. |
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To the celebs that say "She's forgiven him" Perhaps she has stockholm syndrome? I can guarantee you deep down inside that she wants that man to be punished.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by mhg83
(Post 9742067)
To the celebs that say "She's forgiven him" Perhaps she has stockholm syndrome? I can guarantee you deep down inside that she wants that man to be punished.
Do you even know what Stockholm Syndrome is? |
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I think mhg83 means Helsinki Syndrome. That's the other one from Sweden.
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Cheato wins the Internet for a sly Die Hard reference. :up:
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
(Post 9742050)
Uhm...you must not have read the legal points I enumerated in the rest of the post upon which they could base this case. I was saying it doesn't look like they have a way to successfully prosecute given all that has transpired since the time of his flight. If they do attempt to bring back the case, it seems it will result in more trouble than it will be worth and in all likelihood, he will end up walking away.
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The judge at the trial screwed up. Polanski fled. He should not have fled. I think we can all agree on that. What still bugs me though is where was all this outrage and this need for justice to be served in the past 30+ years? WTF were law enforcement, Interpol, and the justice system(s) doing? Arguing that "well Polanski was really adept at not getting caught!" is just laughable.
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Originally Posted by eXcentris
(Post 9742190)
The judge at the trial screwed up. Polanski fled. He should not have fled. I think we can all agree on that. What still bugs me though is where was all this outrage and this need for justice to be served in the past 30+ years? WTF were law enforcement, Interpol, and the justice system(s) doing? Arguing that "well Polanski was really adept at not getting caught!" is just laughable.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
(Post 9742050)
Uhm...you must not have read the legal points I enumerated in the rest of the post upon which they could base this case. I was saying it doesn't look like they have a way to successfully prosecute given all that has transpired since the time of his flight. If they do attempt to bring back the case, it seems it will result in more trouble than it will be worth and in all likelihood, he will end up walking away.
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Okay, okay, here's a compromise that should please everybody: we throw his ass in jail, but give him camera and editing equipment and an inmate crew and let him make a movie about prison life. He does his time and his fans get a movie out of it.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by eXcentris
(Post 9742190)
The judge at the trial screwed up. Polanski fled. He should not have fled. I think we can all agree on that. What still bugs me though is where was all this outrage and this need for justice to be served in the past 30+ years? WTF were law enforcement, Interpol, and the justice system(s) doing? Arguing that "well Polanski was really adept at not getting caught!" is just laughable.
As for law enforcement, the D.A., etc., I wouldn't be surprised if trying to get the case dismissed prodded them to take action and they'd been looking for a convenient opportunity for the past year or two. |
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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
(Post 9742078)
No you can't.
Do you even know what Stockholm Syndrome is? |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by maxfisher
(Post 9742425)
As for law enforcement, the D.A., etc., I wouldn't be surprised if trying to get the case dismissed prodded them to take action and they'd been looking for a convenient opportunity for the past year or two.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by mhg83
(Post 9742536)
I know that it means when a hostage starts to side with their kidnapper.
That can also be applied to a person who has been victimized. And i've heard it used in many other cases that were not involved in a kidnapping situation. Even in this case people in the media have been saying this. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by mhg83
(Post 9742536)
I know that it means when a hostage starts to side with their kidnapper. That can also be applied to a person who has been victimized. And i've heard it used in many other cases that were not involved in a kidnapping situation. Even in this case people in the media have been saying this.
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Originally Posted by foggy
(Post 9742387)
They don't have to prosecute the case. Polanski already entered a guilty plea. An awful lot of people that are offering opinions on this case don't seem to have a grasp on the most basic facts concerning it.
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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
(Post 9742416)
Okay, okay, here's a compromise that should please everybody: we throw his ass in jail, but give him camera and editing equipment and an inmate crew and let him make a movie about prison life. He does his time and his fans get a movie out of it.
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Originally Posted by maxfisher
(Post 9742425)
If you're talking about outrage from people here and in the general public, I think it's directed at those calling for Polanski to be released. Lots of people don't like the trivialization of a 13-year-old getting fucked in the ass by a 40-year-old.
More circus nonsense... In 1997, shortly after Geimer publicly forgave Polanski, an LA judge decided that if Polanski returned to the U.S., he would serve no more time in custody, on one condition: the proceedings would be televised. Polanski declined. |
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Originally Posted by eXcentris
(Post 9742754)
People waited 30+ years for Polanski to get arrested before waking up and expressing their outrage. The so-called trivialization of a 13 y/o being raped is a result of the US justice sytem making a circus and fucking up almost every high profile celebrity trial they handle. Why aren't people pissed at them and at law enforcement for messing up and doing virtually nothing for 30+ years?
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