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Chas Speed 10-09-09 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Deftones (Post 9762859)
that doesn't prove shit. making out with an underage girl is not statutory rape. sticking your penis in her vagina and ass is.

So you are assuming that some guy who is making out with an underage girl and living with her mother in the same house would not be any danger to the girl. That's interesting. I hope you're not a social worker.

dan30oly 10-09-09 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas Speed (Post 9762942)
So you are assuming that some guy who is making out with an underage girl and living with her mother in the same house would not be any danger to the girl. That's interesting. I hope you're not a social worker.

That would not only make him qualified to be a social worker in Washington state, but would make him far more qualified than the newly announced director who is indirectly responsible for the death of 22 children in Wisconsin over the last 4 years.

Tarantino 10-09-09 04:20 PM

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Nice job putting words in his mouth.

Deftones 10-09-09 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas Speed (Post 9762942)
So you are assuming that some guy who is making out with an underage girl and living with her mother in the same house would not be any danger to the girl. That's interesting. I hope you're not a social worker.

that's exactly what i said, right? i mean it's plain as day there there in my post. i hope you don't have a job that involves reading

Groucho 10-09-09 04:23 PM

Re: Roman Polanski arrested
 

Originally Posted by Chas Speed (Post 9762942)
So you are assuming that some guy who is making out with an underage girl and living with her mother in the same house would not be any danger to the girl. That's interesting. I hope you're not a social worker.

Deftones is worse than Hitler!

wlmowery 10-09-09 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas Speed (Post 9762926)
I think since it was his first offense and he had no criminal record and the victim said she didn't want him to go to jail that he would have got off pretty easy (if he was not a celebrity). When I say first offense, of course, I mean the first time he got caught. It's impossibe to know how many times Polanski did this. He does mention one other time with a 15 year old in his book, but my guess is he did it a lot more then twice.

Let's just say that as an attorney, I would not hesitate to recommend a plea agreement guilty plea to a client with those facts if I could get less than 1 year in prison. I have no doubts that Mr. Polanski, had he not been Mr. Polanski, would have never received that cherry deal of a plea agreement.

JasonF 10-09-09 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wlmowery (Post 9763092)
Let's just say that as an attorney, I would not hesitate to recommend a plea agreement guilty plea to a client with those facts if I could get less than 1 year in prison. I have no doubts that Mr. Polanski, had he not been Mr. Polanski, would have never received that cherry deal of a plea agreement.

Today, I agree. In 1977, given the attitudes toward rape and sexuality at the time, and the then-common defense tactic of putting the victim on trial, I'm not surprised that Polanski got offered the plea he did -- celebrity or not.

I think a lot of the facts in dhmac's "Did you know" post -- even if they could be disputed, which they surely could -- would have made this a harder case for the prosecution than those saying "He raped a 13-year-old, end of story" would care to admit.

By the way, since it has to be made clear in any post that does not call for Polanski's summary execution: I do not support rape (statutory or otherwise) and think that Polanski committed a grave crime.

Rubix 10-09-09 06:12 PM

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polanski needs to be put on a "running man" type show. if he can navigate the environment and defeat all the combatants then he gets to go free. and possibly run for governor of california.

Chas Speed 10-09-09 07:50 PM

Re: Roman Polanski arrested
 

Originally Posted by Deftones (Post 9762993)
that's exactly what i said, right? i mean it's plain as day there there in my post. i hope you don't have a job that involves reading

Your exact response was "that doesn't prove shit!". It didn't sound like you would have been overly concerned about a 13 year old making out with her Mom's live in boyfriend. I'm sorry if I didn't get all your concern or compassion from that remark. I hope you don't have a job that involves writing.

dhmac 10-09-09 10:57 PM

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BTW, here's Polanski's version of events from one of his psychiatric exams back in 1977. It's a bit too terse a lot, particularly in the sexual intercourse section, but it's worth comparing to her grand jury testimony:


"I met the girl through her mother. I first met the mother a year before at a bar – “On the Rocks” – through a friend, Henri Sera. The mother, who was an actress, was trying to get another agent. Subsequently, I was talking to Henri regarding a project of photographing young girls for Vogue Homme, a men's magazine, not the French edition of Vogue. Henri told he about this girl, that I should photograph this sister of his girl friend, and then he told them. When I came here, I called the mother who was excited. She knew about it. I said I'd come over to see the girl. A few days later I went there. I met the mother, her boyfriend, and the girl. We talked about this. I showed them the Vogue in which I was featured. I said I'd come back to photograph. There were several telephone calls. I came to photograph her late in the afternoon. I took some pictures of her. Earlier we selected come garments. I asked her to change. She took off her blouse. There was no embarrassment. So next time, I asked if she would pose without her top. There were motorcyclists watching, so I asked her to put her top on. Topless photograph is acceptable in Europe. I didn't realize it was objectionable here. The mother was exceedingly cordial each time I was in the house. Her boyfriend was always there watching the tube. They all asked me about Jack Nicholson. The boyfriend works for Marijuana Monthly. He brought me magazines for Nicholson. He showed me a Hustler magazine, which I had never seen before. The girl never spoke in front of her family. She later showed me a wet suit cover from Playboy. We discussed her possible career as a model. I developed the photographs - they weren't very good. I left for New York. A few weeks later we set up a new appointment.

I was trying to find a new location. I found a pretty good house that belonged to Victor Drey. I went to the girl's house. I remember seeing a pile of pillows with the guru's picture all set up as an altar. We went to such garments. The girl said she didn't want her mother to see the photographs. We went to Victor's place on Mulholland. He was there with some writers. I realized the sun was almost gone. We hurried with the pictures. Others arrived. I realized Jack's house was near. I called Angelica. She wasn't there. I talked to Helena and told her I wanted to take pictures at the place. In the car, she mentioned she liked champagne. She said she once got drunk at her father's house. She was always extremely talkative when her mother was not there. We talked again about her modeling. We talked about the use of drugs, and she said she had used Quaaludes, which she stole from her mother. She talked about sex and said she first had sex at eight with a kid down the street and later her boyfriend.

We went to the house. The girl was thirsty. I went to the fridge. There was a bottle of champagne. Helena said O.K. We filled three glasses. Altogether, the girl had about two glasses while we were there. While I was photographing her on the deck, she saw the steam from the Jacuzzi. We went inside. She changed. She took her blouse off, and I took her pictures. It was dusky. I said we should call her mother. She talked, and I talked. There would be no interference with their dinner. She told her mother about the Jacuzzi and that she was going in.

I found a little box in the bathroom with Quaalude pieces marked Rorer. She took one piece. There was conversation about it but there was no actual offer by me. I said, ‘I was drinking and shouldn’t take one.’ I took some pictures. There was nothing by now on the light meter. I jumped in the pool and swam. I heard a car coming. I was apprehensive. Some maniacs used to come to the compound.

I told her to rest in the bedroom. I went to the bedroom. She never objected. No, we didn’t discuss birth control pills there. We discussed them in the car. There was no discussion about her period. I withdrew before climax. No, there was no discussion about what to tell her mother. The whole thing was very spontaneous. It was not planned."

RocShemp 10-09-09 11:13 PM

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And of all that, all that matters is this:


I withdrew before climax.
That's admition that he had sex with a minor. It could have been "very spontaneous" and "not planned" but that doesn't matter. What matters is that he had sex with a minor and, even if consentual, that constitutes statutory rape. The end.

tanman 10-10-09 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MoviePage (Post 9761873)
I know! Who wants details and facts and all that mumbo-jumbo to get in the way of our foregone conclusions? Preposterous!

You're right! Who wants to know the details of her ass raping and the fact that he drugged her and raped her to get in the way of any loopholes that he can take advantage of.

-rolleyes-

tanman 10-10-09 12:17 AM

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I always used to wonder how there could be people that would defend criminals that they knew were guilty such as murderers and child rapists. Now I know that there actually are people that can justify absolutely anything. The human mind really is amazing in it's ability to find any truth it wants despite any evidence to the contrary.

dan30oly 10-10-09 12:49 AM

Re: Roman Polanski arrested
 

Originally Posted by dhmac (Post 9763822)
BTW, here's Polanski's version of events from one of his psychiatric exams back in 1977. It's a bit too terse a lot, particularly in the sexual intercourse section, but it's worth comparing to her grand jury testimony:

dhmac,

I know you think you're helping Polanskis case. But, every time you post something after reading it I come out thinking that he's more and more guilty every time!

Just stop while you are very behind before you embarass yourself further.

eXcentris 10-10-09 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 9763162)
Today, I agree. In 1977, given the attitudes toward rape and sexuality at the time, and the then-common defense tactic of putting the victim on trial, I'm not surprised that Polanski got offered the plea he did -- celebrity or not.

I think a lot of the facts in dhmac's "Did you know" post -- even if they could be disputed, which they surely could -- would have made this a harder case for the prosecution than those saying "He raped a 13-year-old, end of story" would care to admit.

Exactly. Not to mention the psychiatric evaluation and the probation officer's report which both concluded that Polanski should not serve any more time. Hadn't the judge/system fucked up, Polanski would be free. But people are still ignoring all this and arguing that "rape then was the same as rape now" and that Polanski must pay. Furthermore, and not denying that Polanski indeed commited a crime, I still don't get the obsession with this case 30+ years later considering the victim's wishes, Polanski's lack of further trouble with the law and the most likely outcome IF he's ever extradited. If this wasn't Polanski, nobody would give a shit. I mean, how many cases in California in the past 30+ years have seen a criminal either get off on a technicality or serve less time that those crying for justice would have wanted? Are people now reviewing all these cases and demanding that justice be served? Nope. For some, this is nothing more than a mindless witch hunt.

Deftones 10-10-09 09:33 AM

Re: Roman Polanski arrested
 

Originally Posted by Chas Speed (Post 9763359)
Your exact response was "that doesn't prove shit!". It didn't sound like you would have been overly concerned about a 13 year old making out with her Mom's live in boyfriend. I'm sorry if I didn't get all your concern or compassion from that remark. I hope you don't have a job that involves writing.

Why would I be concerned about something that has absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand? Again, where I did I say that I wasn't concerned? That is concerning; however, again, it has abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with Polanski's case. There was no concern or compassion in that remark because IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CASE.

RyoHazuki 10-10-09 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by eXcentris (Post 9764023)
Furthermore, and not denying that Polanski indeed commited a crime, I still don't get the obsession with this case 30+ years later considering the victim's wishes

You really can't see why people would want Polanski to be punished for his crime(s)? Not even a little?

foggy 10-10-09 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by eXcentris (Post 9764023)
Furthermore, and not denying that Polanski indeed commited a crime, I still don't get the obsession with this case 30+ years later considering the victim's wishes, Polanski's lack of further trouble with the law and the most likely outcome IF he's ever extradited. If this wasn't Polanski, nobody would give a shit. I mean, how many cases in California in the past 30+ years have seen a criminal either get off on a technicality or serve less time that those crying for justice would have wanted? Are people now reviewing all these cases and demanding that justice be served? Nope.

So basically, your argument seems to be that Polanski deserves a pass on this because a lot of time has passed since the crime was committed (mainly due to his being a fugitive from justice) and that since other criminals have gotten away with crimes so should he.

I'm not convinced that rape was treated so cavalierly in the 70's as many Polanski apologists are asserting. Saying that societal mores at the time a crime was committed trumps all seems rather ridiculous. One could just as convincingly argue that there should have been no war crimes trials at Nuremburg. The crimes of the accused Nazis were not illegal according to the laws and mores of their society at the time that they were committed.

Deftones 10-10-09 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RyoHazuki (Post 9764295)
You really can't see why people would want Polanski to be punished for his crime(s)? Not even a little?

apparently time heals all wounds

Hokeyboy 10-10-09 01:14 PM

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I can't believe the amount of Sissy-Marys in this thread...like nobody here's ever drugged and ass-raped a minor... :rolleyes:

eXcentris 10-10-09 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by foggy (Post 9764309)
So basically, your argument seems to be that Polanski deserves a pass on this because a lot of time has passed since the crime was committed (mainly due to his being a fugitive from justice) and that since other criminals have gotten away with crimes so should he.


No that's not my argument. I've spelled my position clearly in this thread, considering EVERYTHING that has transpired in this case.

superdeluxe 10-12-09 08:42 AM

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Polanski depressed in Jail:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091011/...nm/us_polanski


ZURICH (Reuters) – Director Roman Polanski is feeling depressed two weeks after his arrest in Switzerland to face U.S. extradition for a 1977 case involving the rape of a 13-year-old girl, his lawyer was quoted as saying on Sunday.

"I found him to be tired and depressed," Herve Temime told the Sonntag newspaper, one of two newspapers he talked to after visiting the Oscar-winning director in a Zurich prison.

"Roman Polanski, who is 76, seemed very dejected when I visited him," Temime told another newspaper, NZZ am Sonntag.

"Polanski was in an unsettled state of mind."

Polanski pleaded guilty in Los Angeles to having sex with a 13-year-old girl in 1977 and spent 42 days in prison undergoing psychiatric tests.
I would be feeling depressed if I knew I was going to jail for awhile.

tanman 10-12-09 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by eXcentris (Post 9764023)
Nope. For some, this is nothing more than a mindless witch hunt.

Do you even know what a witch hunt is?

Gunde 10-13-09 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by superdeluxe (Post 9768093)
Polanski depressed in Jail:

Good

Hokeyboy 10-13-09 11:12 AM

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I'm just shocked as hell eXcentris is defending a Jew... -eek-


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